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12-14-2013 03:00 AM  5 years ago
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Trex 150 binding a Futaba 10C with a spectrum DSM2 module
Please help me figure this out. I have bound other spectrum receivers to this combo before. I can't get the T-rex 150 to bind. Thank you
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12-14-2013 10:20 AM  5 years ago
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Hey.

It might be the plug in module not allowing you to bind properly.
Assuming the 150's FBL unit is based on the 3GX, the 3GX unfortunately does not bind to plug in modules when sats are plugged in to it.
To get over this with the 3GX you have to run a seperate Spektrum receiver that does bind to the plug in modules all ok.

Why the 3GX with sats will not bind properly to Spektrum plug in modules I do not know, as it's basically the same as integrated transmitters.
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12-14-2013 11:07 AM  5 years ago
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Thank you. guess its time for another radio....
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12-14-2013 11:15 AM  5 years ago
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You're welcome buddy.

Sorry I couldn't give you good news on how to bind the model, but going by the 3GX not liking the plug in modules, I'd say that is your problem.

If you know someone with a dedicated 2.4ghz radio, perhaps try binding the 150 to that first to make sure the model is fine and works ok.
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12-14-2013 09:47 PM  5 years ago
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You can get an FHSS/SFHSS module to fit your 10C see the link below

http://www.futaba-rc.com/accessories/modules.html
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12-14-2013 10:34 PM  5 years ago
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You might want to plug that satellite into one of your standard receivers, bind it to the TX, then plug the satellite into the 150.

Coolice is correct, for some reason when using the Spektrum Air Module plug-in 2.4 GHz transmitter conversion module, the Align FBL systems don't want to bind with the satellite when they are plugged into the Align FBL controller.

If you get the satellite bound to your TX using a standard receiver, then simply plug the satellite into the FBL controller, you should have no problems.
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12-15-2013 01:26 PM  5 years ago
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If you get the satellite bound to your TX using a standard receiver, then simply plug the satellite into the FBL controller, you should have no problems.
I have the satellite bound to my transmitter. I plugged the sat into the 150 then turned the transmitter on then plugged the battery into the 150. the sat flashes one or two times then goes solid. but the 150 does not initialize. Any suggestions??? Thanks
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12-15-2013 01:49 PM  5 years ago
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Hey.

Unfortunately while it was good to try it, the binding on a Spektrum receiver before connecting to the 3GX, wasn't very successful in the past from memory.
Is it a DSMX or DSM2 sat you're using? If DSMX it might be worth trying the same trick with a DSM2 only, seeing as the module can only do DSM2.

To eliminate the model being a problem, is there a flying buddy with a dedicated 2.4ghz you could bind to the model?

An fhss module could work, but without seeing one in action I'd make sure it will do before purchasing one.
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12-15-2013 06:14 PM  5 years ago
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I used a friends DX6I. I was able to get it to bind but one light was red and the other was green. Tried to rebind and now I only get the red light will not initialize. not sure what is going on now. but I think I will have to get a spectrum radio at least. any reason I would get one green and one red? Thanks
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12-15-2013 06:51 PM  5 years ago
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Unfortunately while it was good to try it, the binding on a Spektrum receiver before connecting to the 3GX, wasn't very successful in the past from memory.
Actually, that DID work on the 3GX, I found it to be the only way to get a satellite receiver to work with the 3GX when using a transmitter converted with the Spektrum Air Module RF deck.
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12-15-2013 08:25 PM  5 years ago
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Actually, that DID work on the 3GX, I found it to be the only way to get a satellite receiver to work with the 3GX when using a transmitter converted with the Spektrum Air Module RF deck.
Evening Mate.

No I'm afraid not, this trick doesn't work having just tried it again to be sure.

I have a Blade 450 here which I have fitted a 3GX to, controlled by a Spektrum DM9 module in a 9XII, so I have purchased an Orange Rx & sat for this model.

To test the theory, I bound the Orange sat and then the Spektrum (DSM2 only) sat to the module using the Rx as the main receiver, before connecting it to the 3GX and turning it on.
While it locks on and you get a solid orange sat light, you only have partial control and all the control surfaces twitch around, so it's no good for setting up or flying.
I used a friends DX6I. I was able to get it to bind but one light was red and the other was green. Tried to rebind and now I only get the red light will not initialize. not sure what is going on now. but I think I will have to get a spectrum radio at least. any reason I would get one green and one red? Thanks
Hey.

Try following Jeff Fassbinder's video on DSM2 binding of the Trex 150, it may help;

Watch at YouTube

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12-15-2013 08:56 PM  5 years ago
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Coolice -- I ran a series of tests a year or more ago using a 3GX unit, an XP9303 with the DM9 module, and various combinations of receivers and posted the results here:

https://rc.runryder.com/p5930567/

Note that test 4, Pre-bound DSM2 satellite (bound to an AR7000, then plugged into the 3GX unit), worked just fine...

Your test results and my test results seem to be at odds with each other.
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12-16-2013 11:18 AM  5 years ago
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Morning Mate.

Just read through your post, unfortunately I'm with Zaneman's findings on this topic, this just does not work.
I agree it is strange how you have found it to work, but there are many more who say otherwise having tried it out of desperation to reduce the component count on their model.
There is software changes between the US set and the UK, but apart from the RF power, I wouldn't assume there was any on the output pulses going to the Spektrum module.

Just to be fair and give your findings a chance, I have gone through the same test again, bound the sat using a Spektrum compatible receiver, before connecting the sat to the 3GX only to find the same problem. I even ran through DIR with the receiver just to be sure and while there is some connection, there is no control of the model and the servos constantly twitch.
Switch the sat back to the separate receiver and power up, then we have full control back.

Reading through the linked topic, retailers were also aware of the problem faced when using Air Modules, so it's nothing unusual.
Having tried in the past and finding out it doesn't work, I advise going straight to a separate receiver.
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12-16-2013 11:48 AM  5 years ago
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Watch at YouTube

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12-18-2013 12:06 AM  5 years ago
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Just double-checked my process last evening with a spare 3GX unit.

Bound an AR7000 with its satellite to my XP9303/DM9 transmitter.

Unplugged the satellite from the AR7000, plugged it into the 3GX system.

Turned everything on, 3GX boots up, all servos simply work as they should. No hiccups, no problems, no issues.

I don't know why YOUR setup doesn't work, mine does. I've had others try the same process, and it works for them.

Maybe there is some subtle difference between your DSX9 and my XP9303.

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As for the OP and his original topic:
I advise going straight to a separate receiver.
Most likely not possible, as this is a 150DFC he's trying to use.

One other subtle difference between his setup and mine. I read his post more closely, he is using a FUTABA 10C with a Spektrum Air Module. Maybe he's got a couple of things working against him.

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Update --

It took a while, but I figured out how to shoot a video, upload it to YouTube, find it, and link it here, all in the course of a couple of hours.

As noted above and elsewhere:

Align 3GX unit, connected to Spektrum DSM2 satellite receiver, controlled using an older 732 MHz JR XP9303 converted to 2.4 GHz using a Spektrum DM9 AirModule.

The satellite was first hooked to a Spektrum AR7000 receiver, that combination bound to the XP9303/DM9 transmitter, then the satellite was disconnected from the AR7000 and plugged into the 3GX unit.

Powered up, works first time, every time. Used a 3GX unit with V3.1 AND one with V4.0, both work as they should.

Sorry about the amateur quality of the video, now that I know what to do, I can make them better in the future...

Watch at YouTube

The swashplate mix here is 1 Servo, normal, but it also works well with 3 Servo 120 CCPM mix.
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