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12-09-2013 05:24 AM  5 years ago
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Dx18

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No more Avant Mostro?
Just wondering if anyone can confirm the rumor that the Mostro has been shut down or delayed due to patent issues? Supposedly the drive train is a very close copy of the Goblin.
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12-09-2013 11:27 AM  5 years ago
cmsilvoy

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Is the drivetrain for the Goblin patented?

A dual stage belt drive for an RC helicopter is really that unique?

Wow, I would be shocked...

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12-09-2013 11:32 AM  5 years ago
wrongler

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Dx18, Where did you find that information?Bill Whittaker
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12-09-2013 11:49 AM  5 years ago
Retired2011

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Lots of speculation on the other site, but I can't find anything for real...and I did search.
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12-09-2013 01:26 PM  5 years ago
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I wanted a mostro.. Until I looked at their website and decided that I already had a Goblin.. Lol. It's just about as close to a carbon copy as it gets. It's still a nice heli. That thing was supposed to be out awhile ago.Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
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12-09-2013 01:41 PM  5 years ago
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If I remember right his first Avant was a Hirobo kit that all he did was add some parts to it. He has done this from the very start. I guess it has finally caught up with him.trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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12-09-2013 01:46 PM  5 years ago
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Rpat
What you are talking about was a conversion kit for the Freya. It was not sold as a completer heli. Then the company designed the Aurora which is nothing like a freya at all.

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12-12-2013 06:34 PM  5 years ago
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How can the Goblin drive train be patented, it is not a new invention, nor is it unique, there have been helicopters from the early nineties if not from the eighties with similar drive train, these were mostly designs from europe, the word patent seems to be used loosely with the intention to scare other companies.
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12-12-2013 07:37 PM  5 years ago
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Exactly
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12-22-2013 04:05 PM  5 years ago
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Goblin design took some lead from TDR! Good designs will make their way into other models
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12-22-2013 05:25 PM  5 years ago
Craigdieslemac

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They have a ton of pics on their website. It looks pretty badass. I particularly like the servo supports, good idea for sure. I like that its made in Merica' .. hell yea!Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
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12-22-2013 05:28 PM  5 years ago
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I bet the patent thing was with the head, that is patented, says so right on it... lol.Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
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12-22-2013 05:31 PM  5 years ago
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Stang...
You are right about the Freya. I forgot about how he started.
trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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12-23-2013 08:52 PM  5 years ago
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12-24-2013 11:15 PM  5 years ago
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It must be a patent issue. You would think that Augusto would man up and post a reply if it was not an issue. Field reps don't have a clue.
It if looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, you know the rest....
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12-24-2013 11:34 PM  5 years ago
kym

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Your assuming . This is basically the Inquirer heli posthttps://facebook.com/UtahHeli
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12-25-2013 01:08 PM  5 years ago
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Hey guys, I asked the company about this after seeing the rumors on the forums and concern of a lot of people that these rumors might be true. They are not true. Here is the response I was sent:

Dear Tom,

As answer to your question about patent issues here's the answer to the info you requested and to the claims you forwarded us:

There is no issue whatsoever related to any patent of any kind.
We actually find pretty funny how people come up with "rumors" when as you know from your own experience we don't share information with anyone of any kind whatsoever not even with team pilots precisely because the leak of the existence of the Aurora six years ago before it was time to be revealed was done by a member of the team at the time.

Based on that fact anyone that says that there are "rumors" of any kind is simply lying and creating the rumors themselves in a sad effort to make themselves seem "important" or "in the know" about something like the release of a model helicopter. The reality is that absolutely nobody including personal friends of the owner gets any information that is in any way different than the information we release publicly.

At this time we have been doing a review to ascertain where we are and at this point in time the only thing we're missing is to receive back some parts that are being processed by third party companies that are providing services to us. Once those are received which we expect will be pretty soon the kits will ship and all this rumors will look as much nonsense to anyone as as they are to us.

Just don't forget to make note of who are the sources that are coming up with the rumors so next time the same sources talk about rumors you will have some history on the "reliability" of the source.

Regarding the claims about patents and all of that nonsense:

Members of our company have a lot of experience in the patent field due to frequent use in other fields that the members are involved in. Unlike people that talk about patents we actually have members that have gone through the process several times so we talk from experience and from paying intellectual property lawyers that have taught us exactly how patents work which is very different to what the majority of people think what a patent is and how they are awarded.

As a way to illustrate how far things are from reality here's a few points:
Utility patents protect inventions that are a novel, nonobvious, and useful.

Original and Nonobvious: An invention involves an invention that when compared with what is already known, it would not be obvious to have been replicated by someone with a good knowledge and experience of the subject. For example as the one you mentioned about the gears between plates. If you use gears between parallel plates as you mentioned to us the simple existence of a common mechanical watch negates the novelty of that claim making it obvious since any watch has gears between metal plates. In addition to that if there has been any similar use of a concept anywhere before such as in a similar models as it's in the case in our industry the claim is immediately invalidated by being in not only a similar but the exact same field.

Additionally about one of the things you mentioned to us, there is no such thing as an "international patent". A patent is awarded by the government of a country and is valid only within its territorial boundaries. To obtain a patent that is valid in a particular country, a request must be made in that specific country's patent office. You can read more about it here.

A large portion of intellectual property lawyers are litigating lawyers who make money countersuing bogus patent claims so people are very careful when claiming intellectual property rights due to the liability that such claims imply.

Anyone can file a patent application for anything. As a matter of fact you can file a patent for the iPhone if you want but it's very unlikely that a patent will be awarded to you. Nevertheless it will allow you to claim something as stupid as the fact that you have a patent pending for the iPhone which being itself stupid would still be true. More than 95% of the applications are rejected and even of the 5% that are awarded the great majority of the ones that are challenged are also invalidated. So a very small number of patents are ever good and real inventions deserving a patent.

The rumor mills and the conspiracy theorists always do that in every release of every brand of every industry and the internet has only amplified that nonsense. They live an imaginary Agent 007 life in their minds and think that the real world is ruled by Hollywood scripts and not reality. To their dismay the world is not a Hollywood script and all things have real reasons and explanations that are usually very mundane, simple and lacking the secret agent excitement they wish they had.

At the end of the day what matters is that if you have a pre-order with us or one of our dealers you will be receiving a real kit in a short while and all the conspiracy theorists will simply move to the next target because that's their real hobby.

Avant RC.

So as you can see this is simply a rumor and nothing more.
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12-29-2013 03:09 AM  5 years ago
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Nice read...
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12-29-2013 03:16 AM  5 years ago
Craigdieslemac

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They know a lot about patents, but they know nothing of the comma or sentence structure. I would expect a response from a professional to be a little more refined. How does one expect a company to assemble a complicated piece of machinery when they cannot assemble a paragraph. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't even read the whole thing.Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
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12-29-2013 04:51 AM  5 years ago
Santiago P

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Goblin design took some lead from TDR! Good designs will make their way into other models
WRONG,
TDR is dual stage, and that's were the similarity ends.


The Minicopter Joker used almost an identical dual stage drive, belt and then geared YEARS BEFORE SAB ever thought of making a heli.
The Kyosho Caliber also used a dual stage drive, and so did Miniature Aircraft Ion X, (belt and gear) for as far as I can remember and if you look further back you could probably find some pre 1990 helis with the same same layout.

So, NO; this is not a layout that anyone could pattent as new today. The gobler servo layout is not new either.

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