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12-10-2013 12:58 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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Uj I was totally clear about the term in past post so do not dream up what I or Dennis have stated. Again where are your opinions on the matter instead of trying to dish our opinions.
You guys are the ones throwing the term "entitlement" and "entitlement mentality" around, not me. So I'm strictly fact-finding, trying to determine how you define those terms.
To add to and clarify social programs are covered under the "entitlement mentality" which again are out of control and deployed incorrectly
But both correctly and incorrectly deployed social programs are still "entitlements" - you said it yourself: you're "entitled" to roads, the right to own property, civil rights, and so on.

So there's a disconnect here between "entitlements" and "entitlement mentality". For one type of "entitlement" it's ok to feel "entitled" and in the other it's not.

Explain?

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12-10-2013 01:09 AM  5 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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You guys are the ones throwing the term "entitlement" and "entitlement mentality" around, not me. So I'm strictly fact-finding, trying to determine how you define those terms.
I don't recall using the term "Entitlement" That term has been kinda misused a lot lately.

I do use the term "Free Sh#t" a lot.

BTW: Roads are part of our "infrastructure"

They are not "Entitlements"
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12-10-2013 01:15 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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I don't recall using the term "Entitlement" That term has been kinda misused a lot lately.
No, you've called me "entitled" several times... why are you suddenly changing your tune on "entitlement" all of a sudden? one of those things makes you go hrmmm....
BTW: Roads are part of our "infrastructure"
They are not "Entitlements"
So do you feel "entitled" to them or not?

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12-10-2013 01:21 AM  5 years ago
Thomas L Erb

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BTW: Roads are part of our "infrastructure"
They are not "Entitlements"
Uj I only said I an entitled to expect and use these and the other things because I am a contributing member of society. I have already explained the term entitlement in the context that I used it. Try again

Hey pass the popcorn!

Thanks
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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12-10-2013 01:24 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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Uj I only said I an entitled to expect and use these and the other things because I am a contributing member of society.
That's not what you said earlier. You said you're only "entitled" to things that are done "correctly", but not things done incorrectly.

A lot of things on your list are done incorrectly. Even building roads is very wastefully done a lot of the time.

Are you still "entitled" to use the public road system?

As for being a contributing citizen, how about something like Social Security? You contributed into it all those years, aren't you "entitled" to get your SS income at retirement?

Just trying to discern what you guys are talking about here, that's all. There are some inconsistencies, tho, that are troubling.

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12-10-2013 01:27 AM  5 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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No, you've called me "entitled" several times... why are you suddenly changing your tune on "entitlement" all of a sudden?
Entitled to what?

I don't recall that.

Prove it. Quote me and show a link.

If I did say that, no doubt you have taken it completely out of context.
So do you feel "entitled" to them or not?
Same as a drivers license is a "Privilege", not an "Entitlement" I do feel "privileged" to use our roads.
So would that count for something like Social Security? You contributed into it all those years, aren't you "entitled" to get your SS income at retirement?
Of course.

The ones that are not "Needy" and take social security payments are not "Entitled" to it because they did not pay into it their entire lives. Thats just me speaking.

The "Lazy" that draw welfare/food stamps, etc. are not entitled to that without putting something (money) back into the system that supports them. Make them work for getting help from the tax payer. Someone had to work for that money. Shouldn't the ones that take that tax payer money have to work for it?

I do support helping the "Needy" To h#ll with the "Lazy"
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12-10-2013 01:33 AM  5 years ago
Thomas L Erb

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entitlement and entitled are two distinct different terms

entitled

grant somebody right: to give somebody the right to have or to do something
give title to something: to assign a title to something such as a book
award somebody honor: to confer an official position or honor on somebody that brings a particular title with it
Synonyms: enable, allow, permit, authorize, sanction, warrant

Entitlement

someone who thinks something is owed to them by life in general; or because they are who they

Make up you mind what you wish to talk about .
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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12-10-2013 01:34 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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Entitled to what?
I don't recall that.
Prove it. Quote me and show a link.
If I did say that, no doubt you have taken it completely out of context.
Oh boy. Now you're doing another back-pedal. Dear sweet baby Jesus.

Do you or do you not object to "entitlement" government programs? Do you or do you not think there is an "entitlement mentality" associated with "entitlement" govt. programs?
What would you say is an "entitlement" program?
What would you call an "entitlement mentality"?
Same as a drivers license is a "Privilege", not an "Entitlement" I do feel "privileged" to use our roads.
What if there were no public road system, though? Say it was completely privatized and you had to pay tolls on every road you drove on, say, of $20. Just to get out of your driveway to go to work and of course much worse for a longer trip.

Would you consider that a loss of just a "privilege"? or would that be something more?

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12-10-2013 01:37 AM  5 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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Do you or do you not object to "entitlement" government programs? Do you or do you not think there is an "entitlement mentality" associated with "entitlement" govt. programs?
What would you say is an "entitlement" program?
What would you call an "entitlement mentality"?
Well yeah.

Its called the "Free Sh#t" society.
What if there were no public road system, though?
But, there is.
Say it was completely privatized and you had to pay tolls on every road you drove on, say, of $20. Just to get out of your driveway to go to work and of course much worse for a longer trip.

Would you consider that a loss of just a "privilege"? or would that be something more?
Thats a rather silly hypothesis because, by and large, that system does not exist.
Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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12-10-2013 01:44 AM  5 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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12-10-2013 01:45 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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entitlement and entitled are two distinct different terms
Jesus Christ..... They're derivatives of the same word "to entitle", a transitive verb. "Entitlement" is the nominal form, and "entitled" is the past participle form of the original verb or a predicate adjective as in "he is entitled".

We're talking about a very simple concept here:
"Entitlement" from M-W:
-the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something
-the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges)
- a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group

Do you or do you not feel an "entitlement" to "things that are done correctly" such as our public road system?

Do you or do you not feel an "entitlement" to "things that are done incorrectly" like your Social Security payments?

Yes or no.

Then, why do you feel "entitled" to one and not the other?

Simple questions, no tricks...

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12-10-2013 01:47 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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Thats a rather silly hypothesis because, by and large, that system does not exist.
Answer the question: would you or would you not feel like you lost only a "privilege"? Would you be able to get along fine without the "privilege" of a public road system?

Jeez louise, are they putting Vicadin in your water over there or what... cant you guys answer the simplest questions?

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12-10-2013 01:49 AM  5 years ago
ssmith512

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Say it was completely privatized and you had to pay tolls on every road you drove on, say, of $20. Just to get out of your driveway to go to work and of course much worse for a longer trip.
You do realize that alot of people do in fact pay a toll, on toll roads, everyday, just to go to work?

You do realize that every person who drives a car pays a "toll" (federal gasoline tax) every time they put gas in their car?

You do realize that every person who drives a car pays the State to get a drivers license?

Driving is a privilege. Wanna have access to the privilege, you gotta pay the requisite fees. Pretty simple really.

The only TRUE entitlements (rights) anyone REALLY has are the guarantees provided to us all outlined in the Constitution and its 27 Amendments. There is no beating around the bush about it.
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12-10-2013 02:01 AM  5 years ago
unclejane

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You do realize that alot of people do in fact pay a toll, on toll roads, everyday, just to go to work?
You do realize that every person who drives a car pays a "toll" (federal gasoline tax) every time they put gas in their car?
You do realize that every person who drives a car pays the State to get a drivers license?
Driving is a privilege. Wanna have access to the privilege, you gotta pay the requisite fees. Pretty simple really.
Good god.... give em eyes and they can't see....

Let's try one more time. Consider the following: what if the road system were completely privatized. No public road system. The government is finally off your back now and all roads are built and maintained totally by private enterprises. And:

- all roads had tolls as high as the owners wanted to charge. Call it $50 per road. Just to get out of your driveway is $50, getting down to the grocery store could run 100's.
- many roads, even interstates, are inaccessible completely. The owners don't want public traffic on them at all so you can't get on them at all.

So there are many many places you can't afford to drive to and many places you can't go to period. Same with your business; it's only accessible by private roads which either have prohibitively high tolls, or some other access restriction.

Question: have you lost a mere "privilege"? or have you lost something more than that?

Easy peasy. This is not a trick question.

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12-10-2013 02:30 AM  5 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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Answer the question: would you or would you not feel like you lost only a "privilege"? Would you be able to get along fine without the "privilege" of a public road system?
Nope, not going to play your silly a##ed hypothetical games.

For example:
- all roads had tolls as high as the owners wanted to charge. Call it $50 per road. Just to get out of your driveway is $50, getting down to the grocery store could run 100's.
- many roads, even interstates, are inaccessible completely. The owners don't want public traffic on them at all so you can't get on them at all.
If that were the case, then you would effectively shut down the road system. Cars would become obsolete. Trucking would no longer exist. Gasoline sales would drop totally down to practically nothing and the nation would come to a standstill.

Its a stupid hypothesis.

Period.
Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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12-10-2013 02:35 AM  5 years ago
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Good golly Miss Molly. I answered your question. I'll repeat it for ya....
Driving is a privilege. Wanna have access to the privilege, you gotta pay the requisite fees. Pretty simple really.
The owners don't want public traffic on them at all so you can't get on them at all.
One of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. So a Private Co, whose job it is to make money, doesnt want anyone to use their roads? Who uses them? Where is the income stream?
Question: have you lost a mere "privilege"? or have you lost something more than that?
I've lost a privilege (but I have already said that three times now). You see, this is where we are different. I dont let anyone control my fate. I dont let anyone dictate how my life is lived. I dont let anyone control me. I dont rely on anyone. I only rely on myself. I dont whine and cry and complain that it is not "fair". I dont feel I deserve anything more than what I achieve/earn on my own. I find a way. I live my life and ensure I am taken care of. It is how I got to where I am at today. I will find another way. Maybe I will build my own road and show up those pesky owner's of the "other" roads. Maybe I will finally get my Rotary Wing Private Pilots license. Dont need too many roads to operate the heli. That is life's challenge/story - adapt, persevere, exist. Some do it better than others. Some work harder at than others. Some get luckier than others. Natural selection - it's a real bitch.

Like I said, I am only entitled to what the Constitution guarantees. All else, by definition, are in fact privileges.
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12-10-2013 03:20 AM  5 years ago
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Tautology?

Learn a new word and feel smart in repeating it?

You know, I no longer try to debate liberals like you. You're devoid of logic, reason, and rational thought. You've backfilled virtue with emotion, hyperbole, and conjured facts. I accept you for the fault you are and commit myself to marginalizing your unamerican beliefs by influencing open minded Americans through understanding of how we've come so far in such a short period of time to become a Super Power.

You, Unclejane, are a stain on my flag.
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12-10-2013 03:43 AM  5 years ago
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tautology

We're all a little guilty on this one!
The world is yours!
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12-10-2013 03:51 AM  5 years ago
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Not to be confused with tata-logy.
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12-10-2013 05:03 AM  5 years ago
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fwiw...

Yeeeeeaaahhh..Baybeee!....
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