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12-09-2013 05:31 PM  5 years ago
es1co2bar3

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Who said healthcare was an entitlement ? That a great
thoughts, I thinks it should be I would favor free
free healthcare over most free program reason folks
can get off azzese do something but they dam sure can't handle the high cost of a medical bill.
it a wise thing to do.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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12-09-2013 05:36 PM  5 years ago
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Whatever dude ,basic health care is a necessity but not an entitlement.
At least you're sort of thinking in a more intelligent direction than you were before.
You should also review what you mean by "entitlement" - what does that mean in this context exactly?

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12-09-2013 06:13 PM  5 years ago
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It's been done before : So NO guarantee it won't be done again-----------

You'll enjoy it :

What ya don't know won't hurt ya .

DOW hit 16000
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12-09-2013 10:08 PM  5 years ago
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You should also review what you mean by "entitlement" - what does that mean in this context exactly?
Ok just for you uj everyone is entitled to buy health care but , they are not entitled to recieve it Solely on the backs of everyone else. They must in some form or manner contribute to recieve the service. I don't care the persons situation they can do something. The free ride has to end. It is destroying our country,our economy and our freedom as a people.

Just think of all those who are getting support and care from the goverment now. If we cold get as little as 1 hr of comunity service per day from even half of the people on welfare,food stamps and all the other programs that give for no return we would be unbelievable what could get done.
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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12-09-2013 10:14 PM  5 years ago
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Ok just for you uj everyone is entitled to buy health care but , they are not entitled to recieve it Solely on the backs of everyone else. They must in some form or manner contribute to recieve the service.
Ok, now if you would, please describe some government services that aren't entitlements just for the record? We already know which ones are, just curious on you take on those that are not?

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12-09-2013 10:19 PM  5 years ago
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Still would like to know how many people can be on the cart.
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12-09-2013 10:32 PM  5 years ago
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Ok, now if you would, please describe some government services that aren't entitlements just for the record?
You re- instate the DRAFT :
So you never have to complain about FREE Service.

Then it is OK when the Pentagon does it.

Then shift the decimal point two places to the right .

Then we have all the new Honey Bo Hoo's
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12-09-2013 10:51 PM  5 years ago
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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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12-09-2013 11:09 PM  5 years ago
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Ok just for you uj everyone is entitled to buy health care but , they are not entitled to recieve it Solely on the backs of everyone else
What the hell are you talking about? the federal government get billed
for each one of the uninsured people, just tell me one doctor you know that is working for free?? either way you look at it someone is paying that why king Obama put the fine you if you don't have the ACA.

he said when people get sick and they don't have INSURANCE then they become a burden to taxpayer/federal government So if the federal government have to pay then you pay back a little assist with that process that what the fine in the ACA is all about .

The DOHH bills the FDGV quarterly for thos purpose.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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12-09-2013 11:20 PM  5 years ago
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he said when people get sick and they don't have INSURANCE then they become a burden to taxpayer/federal government
No, they never have.

Those kind of costs were buried into the cost of health care. Same as any other business has to bury its costs to spread out to paying customers.

With ObummerCare, it will be totally different. Ones that cannot afford health care will be given Medicaid. Thats automatic and tax payer funded.

In other words, all health care losses to the health care industry will no longer be buried into the cost of health care. The tax payer will pay for that under ObummerCare.

The difference is that now those costs will be run through the federal government and billed directly to the tax payer. Which, of course, the federal government has always and will always be 100 times less efficient than the private sector.

Thats just one of the many reasons why ObummerCare is so expensive.

On another note, once the states start having to pay for their share of new Medicaid patients (thousands are signing up on the exchanges), there WILL be states that will fall into default as they will not be able to afford those additional costs.

You see, ObummerCare takes losses that were previously buried into the cost of health care and shifts those costs directly to the tax payer. Thats a highly inefficient way to manage health care as it will be plagued with fraud and waste. Same as any other government program.

Only this government program will be the largest in human history.
Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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12-09-2013 11:24 PM  5 years ago
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Ok, now if you would, please describe some government services that aren't entitlements just for the record? We already know which ones are, just curious on you take on those that are not?
First off to be clear what I have called "entitlements " is a term by those who wish to give so much to so many for nothing in return but votes. It's their term not mine. Entitlements are not any particular goverment service but what I as a citizen am entitled to have access to such as roads, police,fire as well as freedom of speech ,religion,owernship of real property and many ,many other things I as a participating ( ie -contributing ) citizen am entitled to.

As stated before I am always for giving a hand up to those in need which can be given with much compassion but as such I am entitled to see as a result of what is given the willingness for improvemnt in their situation. Not what is seen so much today.
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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12-09-2013 11:33 PM  5 years ago
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Those kind of costs were buried into the cost of health care. Same as any other business has to bury its costs to spread out to paying customers
You answer the question then since Thomaslrb is sworn blind tell me what Doctors is going to save a human life for free?? now I know you cant find one then that post is BS google this up and you see how unpaid MED pile up get paid.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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12-09-2013 11:36 PM  5 years ago
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You answer the question then since Thomaslrb is sworn blind tell me what Doctors is going to save a human life for free??
Just wait until you have to pay the cost of all that "Free Sh#t"

Have you got your ObummerCare bill yet?
Liberty once lost, is lost forever.
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12-09-2013 11:44 PM  5 years ago
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Entitlements are not any particular goverment service but what I as a citizen am entitled to have access to such as roads, police,fire as well as freedom of speech ,religion,owernship of real property and many ,many other things I as a participating ( ie -contributing ) citizen am entitled to.
K, so now what's the difference between these "good" entitlements, like roads, etc., and the "bad" entitlements (whatever those are)?

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12-09-2013 11:52 PM  5 years ago
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K, so now what's the difference between these "good" entitlements, like roads, etc., and the "bad" entitlements (whatever those are)?
Good "entitlements" are what the goverment has or can do correctly. The ( your term) "bad" entitlements are what the goverment is and has done wrong.

It isnt so much that programs are inherently bad but the way and extent they have been implemented,corrupted and delivered is wrong
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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12-10-2013 12:03 AM  5 years ago
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Good "entitlements" are what the goverment has or can do correctly. The ( your term) "bad" entitlements are what the goverment is and has done wrong.
It isnt so much that programs are inherently bad but the way and extent they have been implemented,corrupted and delivered is wrong
So, to see if I understand this correctly: you are "entitled" to a government service simply because it's done correctly? And you are not "entitled" to it if it's done wrong?

In both cases, it's still an "entitlement", though, isn't it? How it happens to be executed doesn't have any bearing on that.

Now, I thought the problem was the "entitlement mentality" in general - Dennis complains bitterly about this, as if no one (except himself of course) should be "entitled" to anything, including the things you mentioned above like roads, civil liberties, etc. You just said those are "entitlements"....

So it sounds like you actually have no problem with an "entitlement" mentality after all. According to your statement here, as long as it's "done right", you're "entitled" to it, is that right?

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12-10-2013 12:12 AM  5 years ago
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he could argue about what the definition of "is" is....
His moms basement couch must be really sacked out....
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12-10-2013 12:18 AM  5 years ago
es1co2bar3

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are not "entitled" to it if it's done wrong?
you said the wrong things UJ you mean to say only if it's prescribe by republican that the only entitlement is acceptable.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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12-10-2013 12:23 AM  5 years ago
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no entitlements, starve y'all out.....
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12-10-2013 12:30 AM  5 years ago
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Uj I was totally clear about the term in past post so do not dream up what I or Dennis have stated. Again where are your opinions on the matter instead of trying to dish our opinions.

To add to and clarify social programs are covered under the "entitlement mentality" which again are out of control and deployed incorrectly
You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.
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