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11-08-2013 05:08 PM  4 years agoPost 1
es1co2bar3

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I am on this topic as this government want to deny
God, what is being said if your employed by the government your not allow to pray in around the government residence.

Seceral Catholic priest who worked for the government should be sanction for upsetting other
For not keeping religious belief out of the government affairs. Some nembers of Congress refuse to use laws that has religious doctrine. Others argued that is a constitutional violation because
People have rights to their religious beliefs.

My understanding the constitution provide religious
Rights but never state when and where you can practic or pray.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-09-2013 02:27 AM  4 years agoPost 2
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Pray that those that Read this TRULEY Under Stand what is written & WHY !!!!
Please Note: The names of Those That Have Gone Before US of A
The Original Intent of the Founders : May GOD BLESS THEM

There is no more ominous defilement of our Constitution than that of the errant notion of a "Wall of Separation" between our constitutional government and our Creator -- ominous because if the knowledge of our Creator (at one time proliferate in every educational institution) is constrained, then the general knowledge that Liberty is "endowed by [our] Creator" will be equally diminished.

As noted in the previous section, our Founders' intent was that the central government would not appoint any state church by act of Congress. "Congress shall make no law..." It is just that which Thomas Jefferson referenced when noting the Constitution built "a wall of separation between church and State," and nothing more.

But judicial activists have for decades "interpreted" the First Amendment to suit their political agendas, placing severe constraints upon the free exercise of religion and invoking the obscure and wholly misrepresented "Wall of Separation" to expel religious practice from any and all public forums.

As noted by the late Chief Justice of the Supreme Court William Rehnquist, "The wall of separation between church and state is a metaphor based upon bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned. ... The greatest injury of the 'wall' notion is its mischievous diversion of judges from the actual intention of the drafters of the Bill of Rights."

Our Founders affirmed that the natural rights enumerated in our Declaration of Independence and, by extension, as codified in its subordinate guidance, our Constitution, are those endowed by our Creator. Regarding the supremacy of the Declaration's enumerations, Madison wrote to Jefferson, "On the distinctive principles of the Government ... of the U. States, the best guides are to be found in ... The Declaration of Independence, as the fundamental Act of Union of these States."

Thomas Jefferson proclaimed, "The God who gave us life, gave us Liberty at the same time. ... Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the People that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever."

Alexander Hamilton insisted, "The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power."

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness..." These are natural rights -- gifts from God, not government.

Moreover, it was with firm regard to this deeply held belief that our Constitution was written and ratified "in order to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." As such, it established a constitutional republic ruled by laws based on natural rights, not rights allocated by governments or those in positions of power.

John Quincy Adams wrote, "Our political way of life is by the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government."

George Washington wrote in his 1796 Farewell Address, "Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation deserts the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in the Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

Notably, the conviction that our rights are innately bestowed by "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" is enumerated in the constitutional preambles of every state in our Union.

But, for many decades, those who advocate a "living constitution" have used the "despotic branch" to remove faith from every public quarter, ironically and erroneously citing the "Wall of Separation" metaphor -- words from Jefferson's 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists. The letter, in fact, denoted the barrier between federal and state governments, not a prohibition against faith expression in any and all public venues.

The intended consequence of this artificial barrier between church and state is to remove the unmistakable influence of our Creator from all public forums, particularly government education institutions, and thus, over time, to disabuse belief in a sovereign God and the notion of natural rights. This erosion of knowledge about the origin of our rights, the very foundation of our country and basis of our Constitution, has dire implications for the future of Liberty.

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11-09-2013 03:11 AM  4 years agoPost 3
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Pray that those that Read this TRULEY Under Stand what is written & WHY !!!!Please Note: The names of Those That Have Gone Before US of A The Original Intent of the Founders : May GOD BLESS THEM
Its just doesn't make any sense to me that members
Of the government at the end of theirs many event
They're asking G@D to bless America but, on the other hand Christian isn't allow to say prayers in around government out fear of offending other Christian.

I am confused on the last skirmish in the news about
Political view point vs the BIBLE if they're saying
Catholic isn't allow in certain Branche of government or there was on outrage of Congress over
Catholic member that want bible involved in the laws
Or member not allow worship on the job as it Not right for others.

I dont think you can separate church from government
For when jesus was here he had council many head of state to be kind and loving to their people.
He told pilet it wasn't upto him judge the followers
Of his father that he could only define if its was granted.

Same here our government had no right either.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-09-2013 03:49 AM  4 years agoPost 4
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Your Error of Mis understanding : Is not Christian vrs Christian

It is to REMOVE GOD : Not Christian defeating Christian

Read slowley the Origin's of the United States Constitution :

What have they changed ??

We are NOT EVER to HAVE a ONE SPONSORED GOVERNMENT DENOMINATION

with that being said : WHAT Multitude of Countries are -------

they are burning down churches of ALL --- EXCEPT what ???

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11-09-2013 01:15 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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Esco, Just remember, if the democrats stay in power for much longer God will be outlawed in the US.
I'm sure that God will reward you for supporting them in the end.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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11-09-2013 03:58 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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Anotherway to Think of the Same Exact Mind Set In Truth
You cannot Write Legislation to Control GOD -- It Cannot Be Done

They have been attempting it for Year's - Look at the position it has now placed the Nation in, and the effect or evidence at our feet.

It is present. WE done it -Our Very Own Device's - We OUR Responsible / Ownership

You can however Legislate MORALITY and Ethic's and Behavior ;

Look at the direction the Legislation it has taken US of A -

It is here NOW ! Welcome to the Future - Let It Begin

Their is a purpose : THE LESSON

No Man Written Law will direct it - It cannot be Done

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11-09-2013 05:17 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion.

Separation of church and state doesn't mean religion isn't allowed in government, it means government can not tell anyone what religions a person can and can not follow.

The world is yours!

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11-09-2013 05:17 PM  4 years agoPost 8
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it's your butt-buddies that are taking God out of this country esco.
And killing babies. Lots and lots of black babies BTW.

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11-09-2013 07:13 PM  4 years agoPost 9
es1co2bar3

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion.Separation of church and state doesn't mean religion isn't allowed in government, it means government can not tell anyone what religions a person can and can not follow.
Well this seem to be a miss conception and how well
This info is received. The furor over the separation of church and state have a terrible impacts on new comer into government, I don't know if you all have
Access to the same news ad I do but, this controversy has being on CNN for all of this weeks
There seem to be a religious flair up between member
Of Congress and the head of the Catholic council,

Flavor boi) the state of texas court just amend a ruling last weeks and how many baby can be kills and
What kind of method DR can use and what time limit
That the state can kill babies. So dont paint Democrat has baby killer for both sides is doing some butchering.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-09-2013 07:36 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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The world is yours!

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11-09-2013 08:09 PM  4 years agoPost 11
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dingbat esco.....they're trying to LIMIT abortions, the Dems don't want any limits. There's a good chance the new Texas governor will be a woman that will run on being able to kill as many babies as possible.
So YOUR libtard government can kill babies right up until they're born.
Wonder what God would say to that eh esco???

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11-09-2013 09:19 PM  4 years agoPost 12
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I understand but, since texas is so righteous why is the baby butchering is being carried out? That's the
Land of glorious Republican with the court decision
Last weeks can we just lump them all in with the Democrat?
And by your talking point DEM dont do this unless they have the consent of the mother or if the kids
Is under age then they get parent approval 1st.
In Texas its seem this whole terminology thing is
Just one notch behind the DEM.

Its a little better in texas for the court determine
The right of the unborn not to be born.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-09-2013 09:35 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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Wrong again Esco :

Most young women down to the age of 14 can obtain a abortion in most states " With Out Parental Consent "

Including transportation, funding, and even over the counter genocide pill's. It is a Huge Mega Cash Crop Business. With OUT Parental Consent.

So do NOT LIE::
DEM dont do this unless they have the consent of the mother or if the kids
Is under age then they get parent approval 1st.
Yet to get their Ear's Pierced or Tattoo they must have a parental consent signature = Up To 18 Year's of AGE
Each state is a little different.

It is a Birth Control Method of Convenience to the tune of 54000 infant's a year.

We are NOT the Only NATION EITHER - The Others just do not talk about it

- That Death of a viable full term BORN INFANT in many cases -- is POST sexual gender identity specific. Males have more value than Females. They keep the males

Sorry but it is a common practice in other cultures

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11-09-2013 09:48 PM  4 years agoPost 14
es1co2bar3

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Most young women down to the age of 14 can obtain a abortion in most states " With Out Parental Consent "Including transportation, funding, and even over the counter genocide pill's. It is a Huge Mega Cash Crop Business. With OUT Parental Consent.
Thank for the heads up grey....only in them red state right?
Well we all know Republican are careless junki
I can bet all their daughter start dating at 14 trough, 'middle age yellow fellow must have luv
Red state even more yep" they get all these golden
Opportunity

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-10-2013 01:51 AM  4 years agoPost 15
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Wow Esco! I hope that you're not starting to believe your own lies like the Obummer has. That is a sure sign of serious mental illness!
And remember you are already in enough hot water with the Lord for supporting the party of child murder.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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11-10-2013 02:57 PM  4 years agoPost 16
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Babyuh1 I try to caution you on this its not the 1st time you say it, your government butcher babies this
Isn't a party thing ok" they sing god bless America
But at that same token they're sucking another life
From its mother.
Stop blaming party for babies is murder in every state RED/BLUE.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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11-10-2013 03:27 PM  4 years agoPost 17
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god you're an idiot of record proportions.
I think I'm going to start a new blog: "Stupid chit Libtards say". I'll make you a star escotard....

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11-10-2013 10:02 PM  4 years agoPost 18
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People like Esco have ridiculed both Republican and Tea Party candidates for being against abortion on demand and now try to blame republicans for killing babies? Ridiculous!
Just like slavery, a racist democrat was behind the practice of abortion to keep the minorities in check and they are still stupid enough to keep falling for it over and over.
Just remember, God is not going to excuse you from blame just for being stupid and gullible. Those deaths are on your party and on those who support it.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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11-10-2013 10:35 PM  4 years agoPost 19
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People love to froth in sin, Not evil. But some prefer to avoid being kind

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11-10-2013 10:46 PM  4 years agoPost 20
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I'll bet he don't talk to his trucker buddies like he does here.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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