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10-29-2013 04:11 PM  4 years agoPost 1
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10-29-2013 05:15 PM  4 years agoPost 2
Chris Bergen

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He makes a very good point..

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10-29-2013 05:18 PM  4 years agoPost 3
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Eloquently spoken.

Thanks for the link WC.

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10-29-2013 05:25 PM  4 years agoPost 4
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Well done Bob.

  

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10-29-2013 05:57 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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I'll second that. Bobby

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10-29-2013 07:52 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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Interesting.. for once I'm actually interested in something that's not totally fringe and hated lol.

I'm almost 100% FPV and approx. 80% multirotor nowadays. I've only flown line-of-sight 3 or 4 times in the last month maybe two for test flights. And as my helis die off I'm replacing them with MR's.

Glad to hear AMA is embracing FPV and MR's!

LS

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10-29-2013 08:02 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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Glad to hear AMA is embracing FPV and MR's!
Me too!
Although, I have no interest in either right now...I might in the future - and this can only help promote and make them safer for everyone.

Chet

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10-29-2013 08:04 PM  4 years agoPost 8
rpat

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A least we finally know where the AMA stand on the FPV issue. I have two multi's myself but they are just a diversion for me. Something to fool around with around the house in the evenings.

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10-29-2013 08:40 PM  4 years agoPost 9
Ronald Thomas

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I got into quads and didn't like them much but I may get back into them with FPV to see what all the rage is about.

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10-29-2013 09:00 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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For what it's worth, quads/hexacopters are ideal FPV machines, but lousy line-of-sight machines. For line-of-sight, they're horrible - they're ugly as sin and it's impossible to maintain their orientation, especially hexacopters. No fun to look at flying through the air because they're so hideous and hard to see anyway.

For FPV, tho, they're ideal. Lots of room to carry a cam/video xmitter, usually pretty smooth and easy to deal with. Also, some flight controllers like the Naza have built-in attitude and GPS modes that can make learning to fly "heli FPV" vastly easier. With a regular FBL heli, learning to fly FPV is very brown-pants (don't ask why I know that) but with a multi with an autopilot flight controller, it's not that bad at all.

So going back to the topic, it's gratifying to hear AMA is recognizing the growth in both FPV and multirotors. Multis already are getting a stigma as "drones" and people are shooting at them, etc... Maybe we'll become 1st class citizens finally!

LS

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10-29-2013 10:14 PM  4 years agoPost 11
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Good message from the AMA! I really hope we can keep our hobby alive and free of legal intrusion!

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10-29-2013 10:15 PM  4 years agoPost 12
Shawn Behrens

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My area is a hotbed for FPV. The things I have seen done via FPV is amazing however literally miles from AMA guidelines. Most of the FPV folks I know are not AMA members and have no interest in the entity. While I understand the AMA attempting to rein FPV into their stable, I question their ability to tame the beast. Sometimes I wonder if the AMA should even address FPV and just wash their hands of it. While I enjoy FPV I also greatly enjoy the normal model aviation facets of this great hobby and would hate for the other (non fpv) hobby sectors rights be stepped on due to one sector that is not very manageable. Once cell phone technology begins making it's way to onboard navigation things are going to get interesting very quickly.

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10-29-2013 10:16 PM  4 years agoPost 13
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could someone provide the "program"?
can someone provide a link to the AMA "program". Brown talks about an FPV program... if document 550 is the old program... then judge for yourself.

The new document is not much better than line-of-sight. No allowances for anything else.

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10-29-2013 10:35 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Mike Fortin

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Great video, good info!

Good points made and glad to see that AMA has finally made some mention. Now, if they just take that to the FAA then things should cool off considerably since there is a good relationship there.

FYI, Video is out of focus.

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10-30-2013 12:19 AM  4 years agoPost 15
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unclejane,
So just how did you get you brown stains on your pants??????? I just had to ask, being that you said don't ask.

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10-30-2013 12:57 AM  4 years agoPost 16
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Brown Stains

Wasn't that a song by Savoy Brown?

Chet

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10-30-2013 01:07 AM  4 years agoPost 17
unclejane

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So just how did you get you brown stains on your pants??????? I just had to ask, being that you said don't ask.
That just refers to the first weekend after I put a cam and video transmitter on my trex 700 E and tried to fly it FPV... Let's just say a) I'm glad noone else was at the field, b) I used up the _entire_ 500' runway up _and_ down trying to get hold of that thing and c) how I got it down without a crash I still don't know...

In other words, don't start FPV with a traditional FBL heli no matter how good you are with it line-of-sight. You will get very very very excited on that first takeoff... And so will everybody else at the field...

Start with a multi with an autopilot FC like the Naza and do your first flights in GPS/atti mode. Then, slowly graduate to atti mode and fly that way for a long time. Then try manual mode and get good with manual.

_only_ then should you strap a cam on a FBL heli. And it'll still be a shock in the goggles due to the collective pitch and firm heli tail....

Yep, that first weekend I tried it, don't do it the way I did it. Serious serious brown pants weekend. With only a little FPV time with my Phantom in atti mode... lol...

LS

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10-30-2013 01:16 AM  4 years agoPost 18
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You will get very very very excited on that first takeoff... And so will everybody else at the field...
I can only imagine...I remember the feeling the first time I lifted a heli off and actually maintained a hover, instead of slamming it right back down
I felt like I was hovering also.

Any recommendations on a multi platform to begin with?

Chet

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10-30-2013 01:24 AM  4 years agoPost 19
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I started with the humble Phantom. It's easy to put a cam and transmitter onto with velcro and modifying the supplied GoPro camera mount. And in GPS mode, it flies completely unassisted.

You can literally takeoff into a hover by just raising the throttle stick to mid stick and touching nothing else on the transmitter. That's what you want for your first FPV, especially if you have no full-scale time in anything, either planks or helis.

I'm partial to DJI, so the Phantom is a good one to start with or one of the flamewheel kits. The f550 hexacopter is really stable and I've flown mine in winds up to 20mph (in manual mode). The Naza flight controller is great because of the autopilot modes. Those save your a$$ and money too while first starting out. They're as agressive as you want to get in manual mode, but the assisted modes like attitude and GPS attitude really save your bacon when you make a mistake, or you're tired, etc.

But you really should work up to manual mode (where basically only the attitude gyros are working and none of the autopilot stuff is on) before you try it with an actual helicopter. A FBL heli even with everything turned down to n00b is a real shock first time you try it...

LS

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10-31-2013 01:29 AM  4 years agoPost 20
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Thanks for the update....
Vote Bob for the reelection!!!...

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