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10-31-2013 10:24 AM  4 years agoPost 21
cwright

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On my 8FG I have the timer on the throttle hold switch for helicopters. For planes I use the throttle stick. Works very well. I'm sure the 14 you could do the sam way. Cbuck

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10-31-2013 03:59 PM  4 years agoPost 22
jdanks

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I have flown Futaba for a long time and the top right front switch has always been the T.Hold switch. On my DX7s I had to swap the switches because Spektrum put the T.Hold switch in the wrong place. So I guess it is all what you are accustomed to.

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10-31-2013 04:14 PM  4 years agoPost 23
Rodney Kirstine

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Now I need to be school'd on the timer. I have it working based on throttle stick position but need it to count time when throttle is above 10% no matter the position of the throttle/collective stick and to pause the timer when the throttle is below 10% (shooting auto's doesn't burn much fuel on the way down)
Unless they added it in one of the last two updates and I missed it, you can't start/stop timers based on throttle percentage. That's about the only thing that I miss about my DX8. I ended up setting mine to start/stop with throttle hold, it seemed to be the best compromise, to me.

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10-31-2013 06:10 PM  4 years agoPost 24
jdanks

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Now I need to be school'd on the timer. I have it working based on throttle stick position but need it to count time when throttle is above 10% no matter the position of the throttle/collective stick and to pause the timer when the throttle is below 10% (shooting auto's doesn't burn much fuel on the way down)
Unless they added it in one of the last two updates and I missed it, you can't start/stop timers based on throttle percentage. That's about the only thing that I miss about my DX8. I ended up setting mine to start/stop with throttle hold, it seemed to be the best compromise, to me.
I agree that this is something that Futaba needs to implement ASAP!

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11-01-2013 04:44 AM  4 years agoPost 25
Aziego

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Setting the timer to start based on throttle percentage has always been a feature of every futaba radio I've owned, including the 14SG. Just select J3 as the switch for the timer, then you select the throttle pct by moving the stick to the desired position. You may then need to inverse the on/off attribute so the timer start and stop as desired.

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11-01-2013 04:57 AM  4 years agoPost 26
DougV

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Setting the timer to start with throttle percentage is something I was doing with my old 7C radio.

Doug

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11-01-2013 05:06 AM  4 years agoPost 27
jschenck

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Setting the timer to start based on throttle percentage has always been a feature of every futaba radio I've owned, including the 14SG. Just select J3 as the switch for the timer, then you select the throttle pct by moving the stick to the desired position. You may then need to inverse the on/off attribute so the timer start and stop as desired.
yes, I have that working - what I have been used to and was looking for is having the timer start/stop based on throttle output, not stick position. e.g. when I hit throttle hold stop the timer no matter where the collective stick is at - When I do a negative full pitch climb keep the timer going. Honestly, I have had the timer function this way for so long it's the only way I use it. I hope we can talk the developers into adding this logic to the 14SG programming.

I did get the flight conditions to work as expected for idle-3 - thanks again for that. It only activates when idle-1/2 are already active, exactly what I was looking for.

I did find a potential got-ya with the throttle hold configured on both switches: If you activate throttle hold with the momentary switch then flick the top front switch to hold, the momentary switch will still toggle it's logic without any indication. So when you flip the 3 position switch you may get surprised if you were expecting it to still be in hold, especially if you have idle-up enabled on the flight modes. Granted you'd have to make the mistake of flipping out of throttle hold 3-position switch with the flight mode 1-3 active (should never do that) - but it's a possible gotcha.

where is the best place to make suggestions / RFE's to the Futaba development team? Dr. Ben, Santiago ?

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11-01-2013 05:08 AM  4 years agoPost 28
jdanks

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Setting the timer to start based on throttle percentage has always been a feature of every futaba radio I've owned, including the 14SG. Just select J3 as the switch for the timer, then you select the throttle pct by moving the stick to the desired position. You may then need to inverse the on/off attribute so the timer start and stop as desired.
This sets the timer to a throttle position, not a throttle percentage. if you have the throttle above the position to start the timer and you hit throttle hold the timer keeps going even though the throttle is at 0% and will keep going until you lower the stick below the start/stop position. If the timer was controlled by a throttle percentage then as soon as the throttle hold switch was hit and the throttle percentage went to 0% the timer would stop.

I hope this explains to you why using a throttle percentage would be more convenient then using throttle position to control the timer.

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11-01-2013 05:13 AM  4 years agoPost 29
Rodney Kirstine

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I know this has been brought up numerous times. One would hope that someone is listening.

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11-01-2013 06:28 AM  4 years agoPost 30
Costas

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One of the very first things I modified on my 14SG was to change the momentary switch for a normal toggle.

You can buy the correct switch from Futaba but you need some reasonable soldering skills to change it out as the switch is soldered directly to a small PCB.

You can see some detailed photos of the internals in a detailed review I carried out on the 14SG on a DownUnder Heli forum over here> http://www.archeli.com.au/forums/sh...ad.php?t=159371

Enjoy....!

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11-01-2013 02:02 PM  4 years agoPost 31
jschenck

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^^ I'll have to consider that, would be a nice option for Futaba to support, swapping that switch out for a toggle. - thanks..

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11-01-2013 02:17 PM  4 years agoPost 32
DougV

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Sorry guys, but I think I’m still missing something and I apologize for that, please help me out…
On my 8FG and 14FG I can start/stop the timer with J3 (Throttle stick) if I want. However, instead I use SG (my throttle hold switch) to start/stop my timer. The timer stops when I hit TH and starts again when out of TH.
One of the cool features of these radios is that you can assign any function to any switch and or channel. So my question is, why not just assign the timer to your TH switch?

Thanks,
Doug

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11-01-2013 03:15 PM  4 years agoPost 33
GScott

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Doug,

That's how I do mine. I always plug in my main lipo with the radio in TH. When I'm ready to take off I switch to Idle 1 or 2, move the stick to about half and flip out of hold. This starts my timer and it stops again if I hit hold.

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11-01-2013 03:34 PM  4 years agoPost 34
jschenck

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Can do that, might try that but then you still have to remember to start the timer before you take off via the throttle hold switch. If I incorporate using throttle hold into my routine every time it should work, I'll try that. I usually use throttle hold anyway walking out to the flight line. BUT using % of throttle output you don't have to think about the timer at all, it's all automatic.

Do the Z series (12Z, 14MZ, 18MZ) have this capability? How about 10CG or 12FG, just curious if they put this in the more expensive radios.

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11-01-2013 03:41 PM  4 years agoPost 35
DougV

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The timer will start automatically when you flip the switch out of TH. No need to remember to do it.

Doug

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11-03-2013 11:02 AM  4 years agoPost 36
n8rloves2fly

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John, now you knw why my14 isn't set up as I would like.

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11-03-2013 11:54 AM  4 years agoPost 37
Steff Giguere

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I far as I know Futaba switches have always been in these positions. That is where I learnt the switches where some 8 years ago. Therefore I would say you have not been flying Futaba in the past.

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11-03-2013 04:20 PM  4 years agoPost 38
jschenck

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The timer will start automatically when you flip the switch out of TH. No need to remember to do it.
that doesn't have the same functionailty as % throttle output and does require me to use throttle hold. Flying my quad is an example where I don't normally use throttle hold.
John, now you know why my14 isn't set up as I would like.
I don't remember - the 14MZ has the momentary switch on the top rear also?

The issue with the throttle hold isn't Futaba vs. other brands or what you get used to. I my mind it's what makes sense from a useability perspective. The throttle hold is a panic switch "I'm going in' stop the power!" - It's a natural reaction to just pull a finger fwd to flick the switch. Now that I have the top rear switch assigned to turn on throttle hold it works but I'd still like that to be a toggle instead of a momentary. It would be nice if Futaba had a factory option to make this a toggle or even better to move the toggle and momentary, from a software perspective. It's a somewhat minor thing at this point but still worth noting to the development team.

I did put some flight time on my Trex 250 yesterday with my 14SG. It worked well in flight mode one, though cyclic was really slow, probably not enough cyclic mix, I didn't check with a pitch gauge. flight mode two produced way too much gain on the tail so I need to tune that down. All worked as expected though.

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11-04-2013 06:01 PM  4 years agoPost 39
Andy from Sandy

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I have been setting up a work around such that I now have a throttle hold on switch SF. As the TX is programmable this mix could be put on any of the switches.

As the "real" throttle hold is still on switch SG I can pick which ever switch I like to put the motor to hold.

https://rc.runryder.com/t727069p1/

second post in above thread.

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11-14-2013 06:59 PM  4 years agoPost 40
fastrc1

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Shoot. I am a diehard Futaba chap since the late 70's. I just happened to allow a JR11X into my hangar for flight testing. The absolute first act was to assign the top right front switch to throttle hold and the top front left switch to idle up conditions. I will not consider trying to remember to not forget what the switch assignments are for a default JR rig when I'm doing 360° autos when I may need to get back on the throttle if I botch it. 😂😂😂😂😮😮

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