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10-29-2013 04:22 AM  5 years agoPost 1
jschenck

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Just curious - Do most folks switch the SF and SH switches around? Is this a supported user change, warranty wise?

I don't really understand why the trainer (SH momentary switch) and 2 position SG are on the opposite sides where most heli pilots would expect them.

10 years ago I bought an Airtroncis RD8000 and it was also backwards but Airtronics had a full page document describing how to swap them and included a zip tie for the wires once you swapped them and some stickers for the TX to label the switches correctly. cheezy but it worked.

The 14SG so far is a great radio - this is my only real complaint. Some of the setup menu's are kind of cryptic, throttle cut is throwing me back into the manual.

For me to use the throttle hold on this TX as is would have me unlearn where the 'shoot an auto' switch is on my TX. Plus hitting the trainer switch in flight would probably be a bad thing, especially if I'm 1' off the deck about to land.

This is my first Futaba since my gold FG 7 AM - S.Bus and CGY750 got me interested in it.

I bought a Trex-250 BTF and having it bind to my 14SG was/is slick.

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10-29-2013 05:23 AM  5 years agoPost 2
rpat

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js,
I don't quite understand what your beef is. I am using the top front switch for throttle hold( I don't have the transmitter in front of me to read what the switch number is). Yes it is a three position switch but that doesn't bother me. I just set up the switch to go to throttle hold in either of the other two positions.

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10-29-2013 05:33 AM  5 years agoPost 3
jschenck

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been shooting auto's for ~10 years - throttle hold is always top right switch, every radio I've setup for auto's. It's instinctive for me to hit that switch. For me to setup the front top switch would require me retraining years of experience and muscle memory.

Same with the trainer switch. That is always activated by my left hand whether it's a button or momentary switch.

My beef (not really a beef, more of an observation) is that these two switches are backwards from what experience tells is is the normal setup for most heli pilots. This switch configuration is what I would expect for mode-1 radio but most heli pilots use mode-2.

What I'm really looking for is what have others experience been like to swap these two switches.

- or am I the only 14SGH owner that has this complaint

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10-29-2013 07:12 AM  5 years agoPost 4
McKrackin

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Use the back right switch.
The momentary switch.

The 14SG update now allows alternating the switch.

I have my 8FG set up that way.

I tap back on the switch once to hit throttle hold and once again to turn it off.

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-29-2013 07:18 AM  5 years agoPost 5
McKrackin

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As a matter of fact...both switches on the right are set to throttle hold on my radio.

I use the momentary switch mainly but in panic mode,I just hit the top right of the radio and either switch I hit cuts the motor.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-29-2013 01:22 PM  5 years agoPost 6
rpat

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Great deal Mac....I never thought of that one.

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10-29-2013 01:59 PM  5 years agoPost 7
kcordell

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Nice advantage most of the Futaba radios is you can assign ANY switch to do whatever you want.

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10-29-2013 02:03 PM  5 years agoPost 8
McKrackin

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Nice advantage most of the Futaba radios is you can assign ANY switch to do whatever you want.
The 14SG was not capable of this until a VERY recent software update.
Like in the last couple months or so.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-29-2013 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 9
jschenck

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I did update my 14SG to the V2.0 software so it should have that feature, good to know. Still doesn't address the fact that - In My Opinion - the momentary switch and two position switch are in the wrong spots. We (again my experience) have all learned that top-rear-right long switch is throttle hold/panic switch. Trainer switch is on the left side of the TX.

I'm thinking I could physically move the switches around and I think the software would support using them swapped around. Actually move the switches but leave them wired in the same spot - meaning the SH would be a 2 position switch and the SG would be the momentary switch. I don't like that idea too much though since the software programmers are expecting it the other way around.

I'll try the momentary switch to activate the throttle hold and see if I can get used to that.

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10-29-2013 03:31 PM  5 years agoPost 10
Ace Dude

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The latest 14SG software, v3.0, was just released yesterday.

http://futabarc.com/software-updates.html

  

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10-29-2013 03:52 PM  5 years agoPost 11
BONO1

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You must be changing brands. Right front is throttle hold and momentary switch in rear is for throttle kill for a real auto! LOL

Sam

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10-29-2013 04:17 PM  5 years agoPost 12
McKrackin

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You must be changing brands. Right front is throttle hold and momentary switch in rear is for throttle kill for a real auto! LOL
That's right...It's a brand change but the other major brands are the way the OP is wanting it.

JR and Spektrum first and foremost.

Anyone switching to Futaba is getting a radio that has the switches in the wrong spot for their experience.

Futaba is not the right way and neither is JR...They are just different.

That said,I really like the momentary switch for throttle hold.
I was a JR and Spektrum user for years.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-29-2013 04:41 PM  5 years agoPost 13
jschenck

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It's not just JR - all radio's I've used in the past have throttle hold on the top right rear switch. It's a natural position for this function. When you want throttle hold the flick of this switch is natural where other switches require me to move my hands around the radio to hit that switch. If the heli is screaming toward the ground and I have a panic throttle hold the switch I don't want to hunt for this switch.

thanks for the notice on V3 software - I'll update tonight.

btw - I'm not changing brands. I will continue to own a Spektrum radio, just bought a DX9, and Futaba radio. I like them both.

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10-29-2013 05:19 PM  5 years agoPost 14
Ace Dude

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thanks for the notice on V3 software - I'll update tonight.
No problem, I figured you'd be interested in upgrading to the latest version since you're in the process of customizing your radio.

  

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10-29-2013 09:12 PM  5 years agoPost 15
DougV

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Throttle hold with the momentary switch... I had that feature with my 8fg.

Doug

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10-29-2013 10:25 PM  5 years agoPost 16
BrianApp

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I hope they don't change it. The 7C has been out for a while and it has the trainer top, right, rear and TH top, right, front.

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10-29-2013 10:54 PM  5 years agoPost 17
Rodney Kirstine

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I thought I was going to have a real problem when I first got the 14SG but it didn't take me very long to get used to the locations of the switches. I have mine set up with the front switch as TH and momentary as engine kill.

Rodney
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10-30-2013 02:55 AM  5 years agoPost 18
jschenck

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Did the V3 software update and finished setting up my Trex 250 BTF. First hover right off the basement floor was hands off! I setup 3 idleup conditions along with normal and hold. I setup hold to use SG or SH and the logic works. Tried X-OR but that provided incorrect logic.

I'll fly this for a while and see if I have issues with hold as a momentary switch. So far functionally it is working for me. Only issue is it would be near impossible to use a trainer function with this setup.

Anyway one issue remaining is the idle up modes. I would like to have the logic that idle 3 can only be active if idle 1 or 2 are currently active. Specifically I want to make sure idle 3 can't activate from normal flight mode. normal, idle1 & 2 are on SE and idle 3 is SF. thoughts?

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10-31-2013 12:52 AM  5 years agoPost 19
ssmith512

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Easy. Goto the Condition in the Model menu. For Idleup3, choose LOG for the switch. Set the logic AND. First switch is SE, set to OFF, ON, ON. Second switch is SF, set to OFF, ON.

Now switch SE should select Normal, idleup1 and idleup2. Switch SF will only select idleup3 if switch SE is in idleup1 or idleup2.

Steve

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10-31-2013 04:41 AM  5 years agoPost 20
jschenck

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That makes sense, thanks!

Now I need to be school'd on the timer. I have it working based on throttle stick position but need it to count time when throttle is above 10% no matter the position of the throttle/collective stick and to pause the timer when the throttle is below 10% (shooting auto's doesn't burn much fuel on the way down)

I suppose I should do a bit more than skim through the manual

CGY750 setup is next. Building a 700 for a friend with this gyro. I spent enough time poking at the interface for the gyro to have some head start but it'll be my first time setting up one from beginning to flying.

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