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10-28-2013 09:53 AM  4 years agoPost 1
waqr

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I`m trying to learn piroflips but they are very hard to master I think. I thought I was getting the hang of it but my flips don`t look that nice I think. Can someone help me sort out what I should change in order to make real piroflips. I made a short clip from one of my training sessions so please look at this and tell me what I should change.

Thanks!

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10-28-2013 10:14 AM  4 years agoPost 2
wrongler

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I think they look pretty good, Your timing may be off a bit with the cyclic + and -. Try to get the heli to stay in one place and use the cyclic + and - at the same place every time. And keep the heli as flat as possible.
Takes lots of practice. Good luck!

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10-28-2013 10:15 AM  4 years agoPost 3
marked23

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Just some things to try:

Try doing half of the flip and stopping inverted... continue to piro inverted. Do a couple piros and then continue the flip... upright, then do a couple piros. Repeat until you can stabilize the hover in less than 1/2 piro.

The exercise is to get better at keeping the location stable. If you can do half of the piroflip, then recover while continuing to piro, then you have that small window of time where you can stabilize the heli and it's not going all over the place.

Also. Try stirring the cyclic less aggressively. You're doing one piro per flip. If you use less cyclic (small circles), then you can do two piros per flip. Which is probably the classic look you're going for. (Stir the stick at the same speed, just less cyclic. It does require a little more hang-time, so make sure you create enough hang-time while you are level.)

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10-28-2013 03:22 PM  4 years agoPost 4
BrainDrain_dx

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your tail is rotating 1.5 times per half flip, piro flips look more chaotic the faster you go. Try 2 or even 2.5 rotations per flip if you are cueing off Tail(upright)/Nose(inverted). I run tail/tail piro flips so mine are 2 or 3 rotations per flip

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10-28-2013 03:51 PM  4 years agoPost 5
ZS-JAF

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Other than piroing the wrong direction, they look pretty good to me. Like BrainDrain_DX said the really bad ass guys have more piro and less flip. I can't get past equal flip and piro good luck. I do feel the more I do the better they look.

I have a 3D heli, I don't understand why it doesn't do 3D.

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10-28-2013 04:00 PM  4 years agoPost 6
McKrackin

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Are clockwise piro flips harder to do?

I'm still learning CCW ones.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-28-2013 04:05 PM  4 years agoPost 7
TMoore

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Are clockwise piro flips harder to do?
I'm still learning CCW ones.
No. Once you get used to doing them one way it takes a lot of practice to start reversing them.

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10-28-2013 04:34 PM  4 years agoPost 8
McKrackin

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I have tried a couple times but my thumbs get confused.lol...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-28-2013 04:53 PM  4 years agoPost 9
Ladymagic

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I noticed you are doing reverse/counter-clockwise flips. That's a good thing. They are harder to get used if you learned clockwise first. You definately have a leg up. But, make sure you learn BOTH clockwise and counter clockwise at the same time so you don't develope a weak side.

Observing your inputs...it's not bad, but I like what Marked23 says. Piro Flips are one of the most difficult manuavers to learn, but breaking them down into half sections will help ALOT. Once you are proficient at flipping from both sides of the rotor, you'll be able to speed up the action and link the motions together in to one smooth chaos.

Practice flipping so you that you get it over flat. I noticed you falling out alot which means that you are not allowing your machine to settle all the way in before you start to flip it back over which is also why your machine is drifting so much. You are actually pushing at an angle when you don't give it enough time to get all the way over. Focus on keep your flips stationary. Your collective inputs are a huge reason why you drift so much. Practice "pop n stops." This way, you are actually contolling your drift in the flip instead of chasing the heli all over the place.

Good luck and keep banging it out..you'll have it down in no time.

Mellisa

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10-28-2013 05:01 PM  4 years agoPost 10
tonyastro

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More piro less cyclic.

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10-28-2013 08:37 PM  4 years agoPost 11
Trexwilly

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To me they look good, your doing 2 piros per one flip, that is what I would consider the first basic piro flip. any less piro and it's not a full piroflip.

Your timing looks good, and the fact that your doing right rudder is cool. As mentioned it is very helpful to be able to stop the flip and flatten the disk while still piroing inverted.

I have no sim so I have to practice them at the field.

Here is a quick clip of doing very sloppy ones with my new Mini Protos

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Like you I am doing 2 full piros per flip, but I do the easier left rudder piros....

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10-28-2013 09:36 PM  4 years agoPost 12
TMoore

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It would help if you used less collective.

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11-03-2013 07:32 PM  4 years agoPost 13
MMarozas

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you need to speed your cyclic up a lil.

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