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10-23-2013 02:39 AM  4 years agoPost 1
RM3

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well, looks like Century is gettin ready to sell an 800 class gasser...at $2800 for a kit...and thats just the air frame, No blades, No engine, No Muffler, No Electronics...That should put you close to $4000 just to get her in the air...thats a bit steep.

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10-23-2013 03:48 AM  4 years agoPost 2
bustedmp

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I was just taking a peek on the Century site and saw that. I didn't even bother looking at the specs after I saw the price. Of course I may go back and have another look tomorrow. I have a chance to pick up a new in box G20 HD kit for cheap, but I promised my wife I would think about it for a few days. So I will honor her request, you know, take a few days to plan the rest of the build out.

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10-24-2013 09:01 PM  4 years agoPost 3
Triggr Happy

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Buy a G30 an use the Condor tail to stretch it out

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10-25-2013 12:57 AM  4 years agoPost 4
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...the condor tail boom is a different diameter...

...but I can machine some aluminum bushings to make it work...thanks for the idea

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11-02-2013 04:00 AM  4 years agoPost 5
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well, looks like Century is gettin ready to sell an 800 class gasser...at $2800 for a kit...and thats just the air frame, No blades, No engine, No Muffler, No Electronics...That should put you close to $4000 just to get her in the air...thats a bit steep.
WOW I bet based on their impeccable reputation this has got to be the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!

Who will be the first to be disappointed???? AND RIPPED OFF???? Awhile ago anyone that had a problem with Century would be attacked from Century reps basically saying your problems are BS. Seems the Century reps are all gone. Hmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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11-02-2013 06:53 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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The german rep has a sell off on the rest of the parts.
He is quitting.

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11-02-2013 09:08 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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Dang...Century going into a slow death spiral maybe?...

I feel sorry for the dude that pays $2800 for a bare bones airframe....

MA could out sell them by simply extending thier tail boom and changing the front frame of the Whiplash to counter the CG...and do it for half of what that Condor would cost....AND do it in the USA.

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11-04-2013 04:53 AM  4 years agoPost 8
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well, looks like Century is gettin ready to sell an 800 class gasser...at $2800 for a kit...and thats just the air frame, No blades, No engine, No Muffler, No Electronics.
= NO SALE

Century is in a death spiral

spending time, paying attention

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12-11-2013 03:49 AM  4 years agoPost 9
bustedmp

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I just looked at the thing again, it's definitely an ugly duckling. What is with the SkyJacker lift kit skids on it? Never did like them on my Swift NX, don't like them on that either.

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12-11-2013 09:24 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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Doesnt state the tail blade size, but based on the diameter, I am assuming it is designed for the Rotor Tech 120mm tail blades...hence the ugly landing gear to raise it up.

with an optional fuel tank to give a 1.5 hour flight, this heli has my interest, but not for that coin. Toss the full body kit for a pod and boom to drop the costs a little at least as an option.

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12-12-2013 12:44 AM  4 years agoPost 11
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honestly you can add a longer tail boom, TT and blades all for $200 to an existing G30 and pretty much get the same thing...granted its gonna look different...$2800 for a bare bones kit is stupid...the GSR260Z kit comes with blades, and engine for the same price....plus it has JR quality unlike this thing is likely to have...as for the landing gear I don't think that has much to do with the tail blades...the GSRs skids are pretty much the standard height and it has the 120mm tail blades... as long as the tail fin is longer than the blades reach to keep it off the ground all is good, just look at helis like the diabolo they have practically no skids, but the tail is normal size.

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12-12-2013 01:00 AM  4 years agoPost 12
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bustedmp, we all have our likes and dislikes, I think the Vetts for the last 45 years are ugly, give me a 66 Nova

RM, as for your complaint for the pricing, the Century heli is a rather larger heli than the JR, it has a 200mm to 260mm larger disk area over the GSR260Z

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12-12-2013 03:06 AM  4 years agoPost 13
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The disk area is based on which blade length thay are using in thier specs...810 vs 830mm, but both can use 800 - 830mm ..both helis use the same power plant, zenoah 23 - 30cc and both use pretty much the same gear ratio 6.77 vs 6.92...and both weigh pretty much the same....so why would I buy a Condor at $2800 that still needs an engine and blades (main and tail) when I could get a GSR for 200 more that has them already included which happens to be apprx a $400 savings over the condor...

well there is one point to getting the condor...I'm sure alot of the G30 parts are shared between them...

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12-12-2013 04:04 AM  4 years agoPost 14
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I would love to see a pic of this thing..

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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12-12-2013 04:05 AM  4 years agoPost 15
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plus it has JR quality unlike this thing is likely to have..
With respect, and not trying to start anything...

I used to fly a JR Vigor for a number of years, then switched to the Century Predator. They actually have a lot in common. The entire tranny, clutch, gearing, one way, everything is identical in design from the two. If you know how to rip apart a Vigor/Vibe, then you know how to work on a Predator.

JR is nice for sure, but not justifiable for the price from my point of view. Over complicated and a maintenance nightmare. The parts list is 3 times longer on the JR. So many little itty bitty tiny bearings and special washers/fasteners. And a lot of these little bearings are the first thing to go in a crash...super pain in the rear, and on the wallet to repair.

The Predator has a simplified design with far fewer parts, but has the reliability, quality and endurance of the JR with less cost.

In terms of quality, there was no noticeable difference. I have enjoyed both for that. If anything, Century parts tend to be a little on the snug side, needing to be worked in. But I would much prefer a tight fit over a loose one.

Aside from the G20 and G30, I have owned and flown everything Century has. Some heli's are better then others...I still think someone was asleep at the wheel with the Swift NX550... but the others like the N640 and E640 are solid reliable machines. I would expect as much from the G30 condor.

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12-12-2013 04:25 AM  4 years agoPost 16
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I used to fly a JR Vigor for a number of years, then switched to the Century Predator. They actually have a lot in common. The entire tranny, clutch, gearing, one way, everything is identical in design from the two. If you know how to rip apart a Vigor/Vibe, then you know how to work on a Predator.
Interesting but not surprising,,,,a Chinese clone of sorts yes? A pity that a Japanese company with high quality design and research and development is just ripped off by a Chinese company ,,
A short cut to nothing in this case. Typical of Chinese production.. no innovation and cost cutting to make a profit for a very few and the workers making still very little..
I for one would like to see JR in a economic climate in their favor unlike the chinese companies these days. The brains at JR are obviously far superior in not only design but materials and quality production,,,but the cost of this quality cannot compete to workers that will work for next to nothing. Never mind bean counters to buy the cheapest materials,,,,

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12-12-2013 04:33 AM  4 years agoPost 17
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My fist CP heli was a JR Venture CP30, It was a very smooth flying machine, designed very nice. Sure beat the Lite Machines 110 I had as my first heli. The Venture wasn't satisfying enough for me because I didn't build it from a kit. I enjoy the build as much as the flying, maybe more. Moved up to an R30 V2 after a few years off from the hobby, then took another hiatus for a few years. I got back into it with my Swift NX 3 years ago, and I'm not leaving again. The thing the NX has is that I either don't need to drive over an hour for fuel nor mail order any. I am weeks away from building the G20 my wife bought for me for Christmas. I'll always have fuel for that around. Waiting on the GY701 to get here tomorrow, and hopefully an engine soon too. Have everything else I need for it, even picked up a few extra items for it. Got carbon boom struts, frame supports, Stator Gator, and 2 life packs to run the CDI and radio gear. I couldn't just run it on the 4.8v NiMh packs I have laying around. I can't wait.

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12-12-2013 04:35 AM  4 years agoPost 18
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The Condor or the GSR is a bit out of my hobby budget, which right now isn't much.

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12-12-2013 04:47 AM  4 years agoPost 19
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I used to fly a JR Vigor for a number of years, then switched to the Century Predator. They actually have a lot in common. The entire tranny, clutch, gearing, one way, everything is identical in design from the two. If you know how to rip apart a Vigor/Vibe, then you know how to work on a Predator.
Interesting but not surprising,,,,a Chinese clone of sorts yes? A pity that a Japanese company with high quality design and research and development is just ripped off by a Chinese company ,,
A short cut to nothing in this case. Typical of Chinese production.. no innovation and cost cutting to make a profit for a very few and the workers making still very little..
I for one would like to see JR in a economic climate in their favor unlike the chinese companies these days. The brains at JR are obviously far superior in not only design but materials and quality production,,,but the cost of this quality cannot compete to workers that will work for next to nothing. Never mind bean counters to buy the cheapest materials,,,,and especially all the people in the USA that want the absolute cheapest bang for the buck reinforced by some slick [in their opinion] website....that says all the right things ...good grief...

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12-12-2013 04:59 AM  4 years agoPost 20
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the ONLY JR GSR260Z I found online has a belt driven tail (why), while the Century has a TT driven tail with metal tail gears, put a TT on the JR with metal gears and I bet the price will come up $300 or more.. the Century has an all carbon frame while the JR has not, also the Century is a longer heli,

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