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10-26-2013 03:24 AM  5 years agoPost 41
ICUR1-2

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It is like buying a car. Terrible investment!
That's a good way to look at it there's a lot of backyard mechanics out there

I have an old century collecting dust, the shipping cost more than it's worth

spending time, paying attention

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11-01-2013 08:25 PM  5 years agoPost 42
Luvmyhelis

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Hey, I just wanted to add. Now that the new version is out. This is a great time to pick up an older model now. I found a fully modded 700 for roughly 30% of its cost. 2.5mm frame, Sab motor sink. Kde, HeliOption, the list is long. For dirt cheap in pristine shape as a parts/backup heli. It even came with the Hps and Hpc heads and a ton of spares. So the price plummet is not so bad for anyone buying right now.

Old cranky heli builder

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01-28-2014 01:57 PM  4 years agoPost 43
chiefs_nut_58

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Yes I have seen the price reduced here in the uk as well now the release of the competition model is here. The competition model has fixed all the issues that the early goblins had, but my issue is all the guys who have put there money into the early goblins suffer, sab have said there is nothing wrong with the dfc head yet none of there new models come with it, there is nothing wrong with the tail rotor grips with all the play in them yet they have changed them, thicker frames ect. This makes for a better heli I agree, but all at our expense. You try to sell your goblin second hand now it worth next to nothing due to price reduction. Where as if this model had been tested more from the start we could all be flying a model that didn't need to be upgraded to do the job it was ment to do. This post is more about the 700 than the other models. I bet mikado dont bring out another logo xxtreme next year because they got the first one wrong. The goblin in the uk was £799.00 then you had to upgrade to steel pinion for the motor,then upgrade the head to HPS head if you wanted to have lower head speed, yet all the after models came with HPS heads.
I do like my goblin but thanks to sabs design process ( fix it as we go along ) we the end users pay for it.
As for the competition model, that is what they told us the first goblin would do.
Moan over
that my friend is a signature bert kammerer move!!! this dude has no real job and makes a living off of people buying his stuff! look what happpened to outrage after he got involved!! the whole key was to take out part of his competition full and well knowing he was gonna move to sab the whole time. in my honest opinion hes a deuche! the only time you ever saw any emotion out of the idiot was when he and his wife got fired from a main hobbies and wrote that whole sob story on the web. cause he knew his precious little corner in the heli world was at risk!! i do love the goblin but seen this coming a mile away!!

off the soap box now, get used to this with berts stuff. same old same old. wonder when he will say ya gotta buy new junk for his servo's

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01-28-2014 02:43 PM  4 years agoPost 44
3Dmuse

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@chiefs_nut_58
that my friend is a signature bert kammerer move!!! this dude has no real job and makes a living off of people buying his stuff! look what happpened to outrage after he got involved!! the whole key was to take out part of his competition full and well knowing he was gonna move to sab the whole time. in my honest opinion hes a deuche! the only time you ever saw any emotion out of the idiot was when he and his wife got fired from a main hobbies and wrote that whole sob story on the web. cause he knew his precious little corner in the heli world was at risk!! i do love the goblin but seen this coming a mile away!!

off the soap box now, get used to this with berts stuff. same old same old. wonder when he will say ya gotta buy new junk for his servo's
Bert and his wife were employed by ReadyHeli, not AMainHobbies. He indeed had something posted about this on his webpage and really seemed desperate at the moment looking for a job, most of us would be. He took that page down when he started his affair with SAB and was careful to remove all the traces:

http://www.helifreak.com/showpost.p...74&postcount=11

What I don't understand though is why you are feeling the need to insult him. What did he do to you?

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01-28-2014 03:13 PM  4 years agoPost 45
chiefs_nut_58

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i think it was amain but im not right all the time lol he has a definite dark side either way! not the way one would expect to handle themselves in my opinion!

the guy just straight up lies alot, good pilot and flys a good brand. but not a upstanding guy by any means

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01-28-2014 04:01 PM  4 years agoPost 46
Bert Kammerer

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You obviously don't know me and you don't know anything!

First off, it was ReadyHeli and I wasn't fired, I left with 6 other employees for reasons that you really don't want to know, nobody fired me. Second of all, I make no release decisions at SAB and I don't get paid for helicopters sold. All decisions are made by the owners, Enrico Bernabei and Stefano Baiardi. The competition model is Enrico's design and idea. It improves on a previous model and improvements are always welcome on any brand as far as I know. It is no different than any other manufacturer releasing a "V2" model. Again, I make zero money from kits sold.

Finally, I tried to work with outrage, but there were financial issues with the company that had nothing to do with me. I had items to release to fix issues, but they were not able to release them.

Get your facts straight before you talk. There are many people that know me and know exactly who I am and they wouldn't certainly agree with you.

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01-28-2014 04:13 PM  4 years agoPost 47
BJames111

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Bert is a stand up guy, and these types of comments from people who don't know Bert, and don't know or understand how this industry works are way off base. Manufacturers make improvements to models all the time, and sometimes call them "v2".

Calling someone a "douche" on a public forum is bad form, imho..

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01-28-2014 04:17 PM  4 years agoPost 48
Frank Bostwick

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Posts like Chiefs nut always say WAY more about the person posting than the person posted about..........This is no exception. Them facts can be a real Xucker.........

RIP ROMAN

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01-28-2014 04:25 PM  4 years agoPost 49
Gizmodude

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Wow... Talk about shooting you're mouth off! Bert is a stand up guy and works hard to promote
All I can say is anytime I have met Bert at a funfly ( IRCHA , Toronto RC Heli club ) he has always been honest and straight up! I can't believe the load of crap ' wow unless the facts can be 100% proven otherwise and not "word of mouth" through the rumour mill! I will trust in Bert's judgment.. After all he knows he is in the public eye, and knows that ethics are the most important . We all have private lives so that part we keep private .. As it should be , but as far as this hobby is concerned Bert has always done his best to represent it right !

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01-28-2014 04:32 PM  4 years agoPost 50
chiefs_nut_58

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sorry bud but i just purchased a goblin!!

i may have my facts mixed up but the outrage thing was weird. i love the goblin and bert im just stateing what i heard so it may not be all true. i appriciate the fact that you actually came to the thread to clear it up. that was the decideing factor in my new buy! and i have nothing against you other than the facts i heard about outrage, true or not. all was hearsay other than what im seeing in this thread.

if you guys wanna bash im ok with that but there are people who did just buy bad ass goblin version ones that are somewhat upset! will there be any "upgrade kit" or adjustment for this? or will these just be older cheaper kits now?

thanks for clearing things up bert but politics and lies are what they are! witch is very misleading in these forums at times. cheers for helping clear things up although you cant see things all the time. i am humbled clearly

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01-28-2014 04:37 PM  4 years agoPost 51
Brianp82

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Bert knows what he is talking about. If you don't have something nice to say, just keep your mouth shut.

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01-28-2014 04:51 PM  4 years agoPost 52
chiefs_nut_58

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i am clearly wrong about what i heard about outrage. thats cool, just dont try to look cool by bashing. It is what it is and i apparently was wrong. heres what i got to say:

1. bert i am clearly wrong about what i said
2. i do love the heli and the upgrades are nice, just why the whole new kit to get them first?
3.forums are for sharpening our skills and finding out about new products. the politics and drama ive been a part of here is dumb and clearly this should be a sign bert is doing the right thing now then or whatever.

im sorry!

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01-28-2014 05:20 PM  4 years agoPost 53
courtney2018

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chiefs_nut_58 wrote: that my friend is a signature bert kammerer move!!! this dude has no real job and makes a living off of people buying his stuff! look what happpened to outrage after he got involved!! the whole key was to take out part of his competition full and well knowing he was gonna move to sab the whole time. in my honest opinion hes a deuche! the only time you ever saw any emotion out of the idiot was when he and his wife got fired from a main hobbies and wrote that whole sob story on the web. cause he knew his precious little corner in the heli world was at risk!! i do love the goblin but seen this coming a mile away!!
off the soap box now, get used to this with berts stuff. same old same old. wonder when he will say ya gotta buy new junk for his servo's.

i think it was amain but im not right all the time lol he has a definite dark side either way! not the way one would expect to handle themselves in my opinion!
the guy just straight up lies alot, good pilot and flys a good brand. but not a upstanding guy by any means.

sorry bud but i just purchased a goblin!!
i may have my facts mixed up but the outrage thing was weird. i love the goblin and bert im just stateing what i heard so it may not be all true. i appriciate the fact that you actually came to the thread to clear it up. that was the decideing factor in my new buy! and i have nothing against you other than the facts i heard about outrage, true or not. all was hearsay other than what im seeing in this thread.
if you guys wanna bash im ok with that but there are people who did just buy bad ass goblin version ones that are somewhat upset! will there be any "upgrade kit" or adjustment for this? or will these just be older cheaper kits now?
thanks for clearing things up bert but politics and lies are what they are! witch is very misleading in these forums at times. cheers for helping clear things up although you cant see things all the time. i am humbled clearly

i am clearly wrong about what i heard about outrage. thats cool, just dont try to look cool by bashing. It is what it is and i apparently was wrong. heres what i got to say:
1. bert i am clearly wrong about what i said
2. i do love the heli and the upgrades are nice, just why the whole new kit to get them first?
3.forums are for sharpening our skills and finding out about new products. the politics and drama ive been a part of here is dumb and clearly this should be a sign bert is doing the right thing now then or whatever.
im sorry!
Chiefs Nut 58, I know you've already appologized, and that's great. But you're way off base. I personally know Bert. He's a very good friend of mine. I rarely post on these forums, but this is one of those times when a nerve has been hit and I have to say something.

You definitely DO NOT have any facts on what happened....AT ALL. You have very bad information.

For starters, Bert has a job. It has been with other companies in the past, but now it's SAB. He's entitled to that job. He's earned the spot, and his job performance speaks for itself...he's still with SAB. He IS the face of SAB! It's way more than just flying helicopters at an event. There's so much more that goes into his role. So, for the record, it IS a real job, and it actually requires more than your standard 40 hours per week. I know this is fact, because I see it firsthand.

To call somebody that you haven't even talked to a "deuche" is pretty low. IF you ever had the opportunity to meet the man you'd know this. Bert goes well out of his way all the time to help people. Sometimes it's helicopter related, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's to give someone several thousand dollars because that person is in an emergency situation. That's not a "deuche"! That's an awesome friend that anyone would be lucky to have.

This has nothing to do with "politics and lies". This has to do with somebody, like yourself, spouting off stuff that isn't factual, isn't backed up by any facts, and is purely, 100% GOSSIP. Your comments belong in the National Enquirer, because not a single thing you've said is true.

Do yourself a favor, PLEASE! The next time you hear something about anyone....doesn't matter who it is. If you really must know the truth, take some time and research it to make sure it's true, instead of spreading lies. You never know when something that you say, that you spread, affects someone else. Maybe it's their employment. Have you thought about that? What if you spread something that wasn't true about a co-worker of yours, and they ended up getting fired. Maybe it comes back to you and you get fired too. Think next time before you speak...PLEASE!

SAB Goblin USA Team Pilot, Citizen #22

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01-28-2014 05:24 PM  4 years agoPost 54
Craigdieslemac

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This thread took an odd turn..

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

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01-28-2014 05:25 PM  4 years agoPost 55
CompyMike

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Hey takes a big man to admit if he was unclear of the facts. Don't mean to be a fan boy or anything like that but I'm glad Bert is involved in the hobby and not maintaining server farms anymore.
From all I have read on the internet and interviews I have listened to about Bert, he has been a Solid Pillar for this hobby and just a stand up good guy.

LOGO 500 VBAR / LOGO 600SE vbar

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01-28-2014 05:27 PM  4 years agoPost 56
rcflyin2

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... Smile your on a public forum...
If you were involved at all past just forums, and took the time to talk to any representatives for any of the manufactures.
you would understand this is an ever evolving hobby. Most companies are always being asked for new and innovative options to the products they are creating for this market. Any they rely on Pilots and ambassadors to the hobby to translate and innovate those changes.
I applaud those innovators that have made this such a GREAT Hobby. Please don't ruin it for the rest of us!

There are many people in the hobby that have made this into a career and some do a lot for this hobby in ways far beyond just making a living.
unfortunately when a product is removed from the market the faces of the hobby are the first ones we think of.
So for those of us that decide to represent products or companies we use and believe in is important yet we have no say or control of how the product or company may change.

The remark just shows your lack of respect for the hobby and the people who work in the industry.
This is public place and you should conduct yourself in a respectable public manner.

And yes seems like every 60 days you need an update to something on your machine, are they just bleeding you for more money ? or feeding the addiction?
As for the price drops - Really? what makes something a solid production is that its widely available and that helps to bring the price down. Is this a good or bad thing? or is cheap price to start but no saturation then have issues getting those items.
V2 isn't a bad thing as this allows you to use current version and apply the new updates, Versus just a whole new model that would End Of Life the previous version.

Have a Good one!

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Keep Pulling!@@!

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01-28-2014 05:33 PM  4 years agoPost 57
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thanks for the advise..your correct! it was hearsay and bert cleared it up. as far as all else you take want you want from the forums and all internet in general, my mistake!! but i fly for a hobby as does everyone that supports this hobby and keeps paid pilots doing what they do! i keep a ama mostly for insurance and saftey and mayby fly at one or two fun fly's a year. i have no need for up-keeping a "reputation" or what not here this plainly is something i do for fun and enjoyment. hence the forum to sharpen my skills, i live the country outside a small town in a rural area. i have taught myself everything i know and theres no one around with a interest in what i do! so what i heard was over these forums and clearly a mistake. there will be no more about these politics from me. period! i just fly!! and these things are not gonna hurt my feelings but i could see why i may have hurt berts. thats about the only reason my fingers are still typeing away!

to him personally im sorry!!!
to all else i really do not care what you got to say so if it helps you vent type away lol

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01-28-2014 05:52 PM  4 years agoPost 58
courtney2018

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Well, when you say something untrue that hurts someone for hundreds of people to see for no good reason, don't be surprised to get your hand slapped by a few hundred.

SAB Goblin USA Team Pilot, Citizen #22

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01-28-2014 05:59 PM  4 years agoPost 59
pupex

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Bert es un pobre infeliz que no sabe que hacer para resucitar entre los muertos, no vale ni un minuto de tu vida perder tiempo con esta clase de gente que no conoce nada de vos ni de Suzi, ni pierdas tiempo en contestar que solo va a desaparecer, te lo dije muchas veces y se que no sos consiente de eso, pero Bert Kammerer es una de las personas mas importantes de este hobby sino la MAS importante y conocida, y eso le da en los huevos a los pobres infelices fracasados, se que vas a decir que soy tu amigo y que esto y que lo otro y que por eso digo esto, pero me encantaría que le preguntemos a 10 personas solamente de este hobby a quién tomarían de referencia y estoy seguro que te elegirían ... en fin, compartimos ya bastantes eventos y se que trabajas como un animal y la gente te quiere mucho, te repito no vale la pena ponerte mal.
P.D. nunca vi a nadie ponerse la camiseta como te la pones vos con cada cosa que haces ...

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01-28-2014 06:09 PM  4 years agoPost 60
chiefs_nut_58

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Dang lol??? Translation??

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