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10-12-2013 10:55 PM  4 years agoPost 1
RM3

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Ok, I don't care if you fly a "mall" co ax or even a Plank in circles all day long, If your out there having fun and not being a jerk, making negative comments and respect the "keep it in your area" idea all is good. But it never fails I go out there And I find myself stuck in corner of the field only to have a Plank buzzing my area...it never fails...I have even had a plank knife edge at eye level fly into my "Box"....WTF

So next day I go to the Mall to look around and my local field club is having a "show"...nothing but a bunch of stuffy old farts displaying thier hangar queens.

They have two big screens there with RealFlight on it...I get on it and do my 3D stuff...sure enough one planker comes over and says: "ah, your one of those flippy floppy helicoter guys...I don't get that mess....you know a guy had his head cut off in California?....you know when a plane looses control its going in a generally controlled direction...a helicopter is very dangerous compared to a plane, you never know where its going...bla...bla....bla... So I say somthing like I gotta go, hand the controller to some toddler and leave....

What a way to encourage membership ....no pictures of the field, no videos of anyone of them flying...no posters of what they are doing there, no club name posted....just a bunch of old guys sitting there like Jeff Dunhams "Walter" next to a bunch of planes I have never seen at the field flying....and these are senior members of the club that control the club.

well they did have one sorry little 450 with training gear and an FM system...

I wish we had a Heli only club with our own field...just not enough people out here to support it.

ah well just venting.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-12-2013 11:08 PM  4 years agoPost 2
junkpilot

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Stuffy old plank bastards
Sounds to me like you're the guy to do it! Start contacting clubs that appeal to you and ask questions. At the same time start locating your potential feild, I would recommend contacting the local landfill. Landfills by the nature of their product must let the fandfill stand unused for many years after they are filled. In California the club I was in negotiated a twenty year contract for our flying site. They even agreed to paying for the runway. So quit complaining and start nnegotiating.
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10-12-2013 11:45 PM  4 years agoPost 3
hawk3319

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I guess I will consider myself lucky. The club that i belong to has a lot of older gentlemen. I may fly at the end of the runway, but they never interfere. If there are just a couple of us out there, we just take turns. When the club hold events, the plankers will land and allow us heli guys to take the field, never interrupt, make any stupid comments, just let us have the field. when we are done, they take over. I will admit that I have belong to clubs where the plankers try and run heli guys off, but it seems as late they are battling each other, nitro verse electric.

Hawk

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10-12-2013 11:46 PM  4 years agoPost 4
Heli_Splatter

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There is a lot of negative attitude in the OPs message. You really need to find a way to befriend the old guys... for a couple of reasons. They have the money and the power and they know people.

You should spend time cultivating a relationship with them. Try to understand what they went through to get the field to the point it is. It did not happen overnight. The right word from one of these guys might make your heli field possible. You don't know all the relationships they have with local government and law enforcement to make things happen.

At our field, we recently opened up a heli area and have been making upgrades and additions to the area. It has been a long time coming, but the guys are supporting it and opinions are changing.

It is difficult for planes and helicopters to share the same airspace, no question, so try to get some sort of relationship established where they respect you and you respect them. Flying with a bunch of old guys is usually a great thing because they sit and talk most of the time and you have all the airspace. If they like you, they will move mountains for you. Just be respectful and helpful. When a work detail is scheduled, show up and pitch in. They need you and your dues, you need a flying spot. You can make it work with a positive attitude. Some comment about your sim flying should fly off your back. He was probably just trying to make conversation.

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10-13-2013 12:08 AM  4 years agoPost 5
RM3

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...the issue is not getting along with them...more its seems its a perception of attitude based on what I prefer to fly...

We do have heli guys at the field...I know most of them, great bunch of guys...but we are out numbered (and are mostly non influential within the club)...and we tend to gravitate to each other when at the field as we are somewhat ignored by the plankers.

On field maint days only a handful will show with only one or two senior members (with voting power)... but the rest of the guys will not show (those with influence).

I guess the ol Heli VS Planker game is alive and well with my club.
don't get me wrong...its a good club but the older guys, not all of them mind you, but most seem to still have predjudice when it comes to helis and especially 3D flying.

but the good news is we will be flying more once the weather gets colder...them older guys don't like the cold

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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10-13-2013 12:10 AM  4 years agoPost 6
jackp332

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Claremont, Nh USA

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This was the situation at a club in our area a few years ago. They did, in fact, break off and form their own heli specific club- yet ALL are welcome. They are much happier now and wish they'd done it years before. I'm very fortunate we do not have this problem in our small 12member club.

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10-13-2013 12:17 AM  4 years agoPost 7
wrongler

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Brewerton, New York

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Maybe if you bought a plane a flew with them you could get to know them and maybe make things a little better for everyone.

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10-13-2013 12:33 AM  4 years agoPost 8
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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I have seen heli guys converted into plankers they got the skills but for what ever reason I only ever saw them flying planks this year.
I won't be returning to that club next year I don't wanna be neutered

spending time, paying attention

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10-13-2013 01:08 AM  4 years agoPost 9
JayL

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Im pretty lucky we dont have much issue at our field mostly because the old guys show up and talk politics they dont fly much so we have the field to our selves. Plus were out numbering them more and more these days

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10-13-2013 01:47 AM  4 years agoPost 10
JasonJ

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North Idaho

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I have had conversations with old dude plankers about planes vs helicopters. I am always able to enlighten them by pointing out that yes, a helicopter can go out of control in any direction but that means it can be saved or deflected in any direction. Yes, a plane is going in one predictable direction but that means it is more difficult to alter it's one direction. They have seen me save my helicopter enough times to understand this. I have even overheard them point this out to other old dude plankers. I also am pretty quick to point out the crash/poorly controlled flights ratio of airplanes to helicopters and the resulting silence can be eerie. I also like to set my helicopter next to a 40% gasser and ask them if they really believe the helicopter is more dangerous than that gasser.

I watch a huge Gee Bee R2 with a Moki 5 cylinder 4 stroke gasser engine in it get maidened today. That is the first time I have actually ran from something at an rc field and I was not alone. He flew it awesome and was always in control but he did a high speed pass down the runway and it scared the crap out of all of us standing there trying to get pictures. Just for a few seconds it looked like it was coming at us and it is a very fast plane. Scary stuff but it was a cool plane to see fly. The takeoff and landing was uneventful, might as well have been a trainer plank but man that sound was awesome.

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10-13-2013 03:09 AM  4 years agoPost 11
Chuck Bole

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RM3 I can honestly say I can feel your pain. I had belonged to a RC club here in Tulsa since the late 90's. Been through one heli guy getting voted out of the club for something another pilot did.
Guys flying over our heads, mid airs, flying in between the pilot and the heli. ETC. Could go on and on with quite a list, but I'm sure you get the idea.

As long as the guys who run the club are in power there, it will not change. Like someone staying with a abusive person.

A small group of us, we're up to 15 members now. Our leader got in touch with the county after the City of Tulsa told us to go pound sand. The Tulsa County parks dept offered 3 different plots of land
and we found our new home. Started a new club. With not a single plank in sight. I realize not all airplane guys are "Evil". As a matter of fact one of our former club mates helped us get electricity installed.

In short just a few guys can make something happen for the better.
I know the AMA has programs to help with field improvements etc.

Keep your chin up..

chuck
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10-13-2013 01:51 PM  4 years agoPost 12
Pistol Pete

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Attitudes can be adjusted.

Chances are you are stuck in the corner of the field because you are not willing to nor have any desire to fly the "pattern" when the older ones are doing it. When I do, given I have a gasser, I stay flying once they land their 10min nitro flight then I have the runway to myself for another 10. Then again showing up with the Beaver in tow plus some night flying may have done the trick.

Everyone at the club has the power of ONE vote and you can even run for any position...if you are liked, that is.

All members have something to learn from each other regarless of what is flown.

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10-13-2013 02:08 PM  4 years agoPost 13
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I quit my AMA sanctioned planker club.

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10-13-2013 02:20 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Nycatt

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Maybe offering him an ice cold glass of Metamucil would have made him more friendly.

BTW: They're a lot more plankers missing finger tips than they're heli guys. I'd rather adjust needles without have a prop inches away from my fingers. Plus the plane thing is plan.




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10-13-2013 02:36 PM  4 years agoPost 15
rcmiket

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Why not run for club office and change what's going on from the inside?
Mike

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10-13-2013 02:40 PM  4 years agoPost 16
unclejane

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Hey now, ya'll quit dissing old people. In fact, there are no r/c's who are older than me so ya'll need to show me my due respect!

Still, I can definitely sympathize. Even tho I'm totally old, I do even more fringe flying now (multirotor/heli FPV). I don't yet even dare show up with my stuff at our local field when there are other guys out there - at least, not until I'm good enough to not be a hazard. I'm almost there now with my phantom/hexacopter tho.

But when I went to helis many years ago, there was instant resistance at the field I flew at in TX. Though it tended to only be a minority and not everyone. It's just kind of the nature of the beast.

At my current field, this is much better, but I'm still one of I believe only 2 or 3 other heli/multirotor pilots and now the only FPV'er to my knowledge. So I really have to approach it with a spirit of cooperation as much as I can.

Helis and planks can even not mix well in full scale. My fixed-wing FPV platform is one that you sit in; one time I was coming back from a cross-country and there were a couple of Osprey's departing the airport as I was on my way in. I could see the dust devil they created at the approach end of the runway from _15 miles out_ lol.... I did a close-in carrier approach and landing when I arrived in the pattern to stay away from that swirling air as much as I could. Even almost 10 minutes later when I got there, you could still see the dust devil.

Didn't bother me because I'm used to modifying procedures to avoid wake turbulence, but a student pilot could have really gotten flustered by something like that....

So it's just one of those things in aviation where Can't We All Just Get Along....

LS

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10-13-2013 02:41 PM  4 years agoPost 17
Nycatt

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Why not run for club office and change what's going on from the inside?
Because the plankers will never give up that much control.




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10-13-2013 02:50 PM  4 years agoPost 18
unclejane

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but the good news is we will be flying more once the weather gets colder...them older guys don't like the cold
Remember also that wind is your friend. Most of our helis, there aren't winds we can't fly them in. Even my multis (in manual mode) can handle a pretty stiff wind and when it's across the runway, who cares... Wind keeps planks at home more than any other weather phenomenon.

So if you need the field to yourself for some reason (practice, trying new machines, components, etc), be sure and go out when the wind is howling. Where I live that's almost all the time lol...

LS

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10-13-2013 03:36 PM  4 years agoPost 19
rcmiket

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Because the plankers will never give up that much control.
Bull.
Have you even tried?

99.9% of all clubs officers in any organization are only in place due to the fact that NO ONE will step up and do the job. We were no different 12 years ago. Once we stepped up and took control necessary changes were made. Everyone is happy now were financially sound and growing.

The problem is it's way to easy to sit back a bitch about how things are run rather than doing the work necessary to make it work.

Mike

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10-13-2013 03:42 PM  4 years agoPost 20
3kidzheli

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I don't understand the dislike towards the heli side of rc, from some of the plane guys. It's all radio control HOBBY I feel. Right?

There is no such thing as up, it's all out...

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