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10-12-2013 09:55 AM  4 years agoPost 21
BOB WHO?

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Go for it, Devin. Everyone has their own personal goals and limiting factors in achieving those goals. The guy who said 'crashing takes the fun out of it' will fly conservatively and, by the way, will enjoy the hobby as much as the next guy. His values and goals are different than mine and others whose desire to improve their flying supersedes their fear of crashing. One guy at our field who has been flying for about 6 years used to crash every week, sometimes even several times in a day. Now he is a professional and flies for a major brand. He doesn't crash much anymore. In order to become an elite pilot, he had abandon his concerns about crash costs and down time. He flew without fear. He did not let crashing get in his way!

Crashing is something I really try to avoid, it depresses me... the only thing worse than crashing is tiptoeing around at the field.

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10-12-2013 12:01 PM  4 years agoPost 22
unclejane

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Speaking for myself, having gone to FPV exclusively has significantly reduced the near-misses for me. There are no orientation problems when flying FPV and that was always the cause of my crashes. I didn't crash often, but when I did it was always so violent it required a complete rekit.

I finally concluded recently I'm a lousy line-of-sight pilot and I always have been. I can already fly from the "inside" much better than I ever could LOS and that's dramatically increased the fun factor for me. And I never have to worry about side-in hovering or what-the-heck-orientation-is-that-little-dot-in-the-sky-in-now anymore lol.

I've had only one mechanical failure-caused crash in recent memory and that was my trex 700 E the other day. It threw a swash-to-grip link on takeoff (that's my theory anyway). Fortunately, the repair bill is up to only $30 at this point, so the trex may live again next week.

In my view, if you're crashing all the time you're probably not having as much fun as you could be having. If you're a wealthy CEO, maybe, but not if you're an ordinary guy or gal.

My Whip nitro I'm still keeping around as a line-of-sight goof-off machine as I don't think it'll be suitable for FPV. But I got cams on everything else in my apartment now lol...

LS

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10-12-2013 12:30 PM  4 years agoPost 23
wrongler

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I don't think you will find one person on here that flies heli's that has not crashed!

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10-12-2013 01:26 PM  4 years agoPost 24
rudyy

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I crash due to mechanical or electronic failures more than dumb thumbs. My preflight check list is getting longer and longer.

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10-12-2013 02:24 PM  4 years agoPost 25
Manny1776

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In the simulator crash it is for free...
I practice a lot in the SIM before try a maneuver and don't rush your self... require a lot of practice and time to be a good pilot...and even the best crash as many times as you...

Manny

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10-12-2013 06:37 PM  4 years agoPost 26
Magneto 3D

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+1 I haven't crashed in 1500 flights.I practice new moves on the sim till I master them ,in the beginning I was too wild and crashed a lot like the thread starter it takes time to learn how to use the collective and cyclic properly!That if you not crashing you not flying hard enough is BS!

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10-12-2013 06:54 PM  4 years agoPost 27
Jahmer

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Number of crashes per year is a useless statistic (except for budgetary reasons of course). Crash ratio is what is important.

10:1 = noob
80:1 = taking the next step, moving up in size
300:1 = experienced flyer

Flying low by choice (thus increasing risk) obviously will change those numbers. Most competent pilots (2000 flights) who push themselves, but fly at a reasonable height will be in 300+ range (not counting mechanicals). Flying low does build precision however. Kind of a love hate thing. You get more precise flying low because you have to.

I have 3 pilot error crashes this year and flew 1400 flights on 450+ helis. Since I don't fly low, my precision suffers, but at this stage of my development I am more interesting in learning difficult skills. I will clean them up next year. It is a conscious decision I have made and it is reflected in my training plan. Plan the work, work the plan.

My ratio is 1400:3 = 466:1. My total flight count life to date is 4000 flights in 4 years of flying.

I push hard, but fly medium to high. My crashes all came from doing stretch tricks under 10 foot deck.

Tareq's ratio is probably around 2:1 for demos

At the ihobby show in Chicago last week the ratio at 2:1.

The one competition at IRCHA was 7:5 or 1.4 : 1. Fly low no matter how good you are, you crash.

If you are flying low by choice, 80:1 is pretty good. In fact it is 40 times better than the best in the world.

Most "enthusiasts" fly around 400 flights per year. So if you (op) are pushing yourself and flying at 10 feet and fly 400 flights per year, your ratio is around 50:1, which in reality isn't that bad. If you don't mind wrenching for 4 hours after every crash which takes time away from flying, then keep it up. Otherwise fly higher.

Once you get past the 200 flight count, crash ratios are controllable by flying higher. But after 200 flights, skill level is less a factor in the ratio. Then it is a personal risk level decision that drives the metric. Again, fly higher and your numbers improve, but your precision may not make as much a gain.

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10-12-2013 07:02 PM  4 years agoPost 28
BOB WHO?

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To my knowledge, no one here has said 'if you're not crashing you not flying hard enough'. One guy, like you Magneto, earlier also misunderstood what I was saying and disagreed with me about crashing being part of the learning curve for aggressive pilots. Some guys just don't want to crash and go to great lengths to avoid going down. Other guys who also learn moves (as much as possible) on the sim before bringing them to the field still crash with some regularity. The thread starter does it one way (I'm kinda like him) and you do it another. We don't think you have to crash to get better, as you implied we did, we're just not bothered as much about crashing as you are. There's room for all of us...

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10-12-2013 07:20 PM  4 years agoPost 29
turboomni

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For me the smaller the heli the more risks I will take,,,but up high! I hate crashing. I take many more risks with my 450 than I do with my two Min Air gassers because of the cost of repair. Actually I maybe too conservative with the big birds and hinder my own progress. With the 450 on down to a 130X and MCPX brushless I will try new things. Since there is quite a void in size between a 450 to a big gasser I wanted something in between. Like a 50 size. I seriously considered a Goblin but I have enough pucker factor with my gassers as a Goblin ain't cheap. I needed something rather expendable with cheap parts that are easy to find and has alot of upgrades if needed. So I ordered an Align 550 DFC. Between my MCPX all the way to my Align 550 + my SIM I hope it will help me become a better gasser pilot.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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10-12-2013 07:44 PM  4 years agoPost 30
gcm2

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I crash micros all the time.. In the 300 and below category.. Someone said that doesn't count, but it does for me. All the crashed on them saves me crashes on the big ones. Folding up a 130x or a 300x is a lot more pallatable than anything above a 550. I learn everything on them first.. Someone also mentioned baby steps.. That's what I do when applying new stuff to larger aircraft.
Totally agree. Actually what prompted me to jump in here was I lost my 300X THIS morning. I'm still trying to master inverted hover and doing very well in my learning curve, but the 300x got moving too quick to my right inverted (or something) and I was too slow in correcting. I was up pretty high, but lost it anyway. I've crashed this heli maybe 6 times or so, and getting very good at fixing it

I too try out the hard stuff on the cheap stuff, and then fly my TREX 550e and Gaui NX4 with CONFIDENCE (well, sort of) to not crash it. At least for the last 4 months or so, my wrecks have been totally limited to that 300x.

BTW: today I immediately did 3 more flights with the 550 and NX4 after that crash and did inverted quite well.

I hate crashing as much as anybody, and I've been a pretty big chicken over the years - BUT, I really do take the chances with the 300x to grow as a pilot.

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10-13-2013 12:53 AM  4 years agoPost 31
f14tomcatfreak

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havnt crashed at all this year although today on my 4th flight of the day I had a boom strike.. luckily all it did was shave a thin layer off of the carbon boom.. the blades are good still thank god.. must have struck just right

shut up and fly

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10-13-2013 02:07 PM  4 years agoPost 32
jason46

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Too hard?
Results of the first mcpxBL crash after three flights.

We made up some rules can we have your moneys now.

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