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10-11-2013 01:04 PM  4 years agoPost 1
AgentOrange

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This statement has always bothered me and I don't know why. You only see it in for sale ad's. Ok so I will get to my point. What is the point of making this statement at all. This is my point if a person crashes a heli and replaces all of the damaged and worn parts then why is it or why is it considered less desirable then one that has not been crashed. How are you going to be able to tell if the bird has been crashed or it hasn't. I don't think that their is any way if the crashed heli has been repaired that you would be able to tell if the machine has in fact been crashed. Example I know a guy that had a Trex 700 that he had for sale, it had never been crashed but it did have scratches on the blade grips from the starter rubbing on them. He sold the heli RTF to another guy and when the guy got the heli he said that the bird had been crashed because of the damaged grips. He told the dude what it was from but he did not believe him and sent the heli back. That just one case but my thing is if you had two helis sitting next to each other one was used but not crashed and one was crashed but repaired to the same condition as the other noncrashed heli would you be able to tell the difference and would you care. End rant.

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10-11-2013 01:35 PM  4 years agoPost 2
Dave Willis

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I like to know if a Heli has been crashed or not. I think the Quality of the rebuild may be different between people, especially if you know you are planning on selling the Heli after the rebuild. The urge to cut corners may be more if you're planning to unload. If everyone was straight up, this would not be a problem, but you can't always believe what you're told. Things may be straightened that were bent or JB Weld or CA on stripped screws.

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10-11-2013 01:51 PM  4 years agoPost 3
kris L

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Example I know a guy that had a Trex 700 that he had for sale, it had never been crashed but it did have scratches on the blade grips from the starter rubbing on them. He sold the heli RTF to another guy and when the guy got the heli he said that the bird had been crashed because of the damaged grips. He told the dude what it was from but he did not believe him and sent the heli back.
Your friend should have said in his ad that it had scratches on the blade grips from the starter and showed pics so the buyer knows exactly what he is getting. The buyer should have known that up front.

Kris

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10-11-2013 01:53 PM  4 years agoPost 4
wrongler

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I would rather buy a heli that has not been crashed because:

There is less chance of having problems with the heli!

Less chance of things being bent or broken.

Should be easier to get it ready to fly.

Probably won't have vibrations.

Bill Whittaker

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10-11-2013 02:01 PM  4 years agoPost 5
unclejane

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Hah, that's nothing - you should see what "damage history" does to the value of a full-scale aircraft lol. You can't give the freaking thing away. And you can get sued and all that wonderful stuff if you try to hide it, etc....

So yeah I'm sympathetic to that also. A crashed, but repaired to full functionality aircraft really is different value-wise from a never-crashed one. What devalues it is the extra expense for the potential buyer of determining if the a/c really _has_ been restored to original condition or close enough to it for it to be an acceptable buy.

Even on a model, there can be hidden damage remaining that you can't see at sale time and only reveals itself later (notchy bearings, slightly bent tubes and such).

So yes this is rational and just part of buying/selling aircraft in general. Not something that should be upsetting, it's just good protection for both buyer and seller.

I've bought and sold several full-scale a/c and have always been up front absolutely to the letter about any issues or damage. The last one I sold had damage history for the original builder at 5 hours (he put it into a Mesquite patch when the engine quit). It was totally restored, but it was all in the logbooks. I never bent any more metal on it myself, but fully and completely disclosed the original damage history to the buyer when I sold it.

My policy is to never hide any of this kind of thing and be up front in every detail. Protects everyone involved....

LS

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10-11-2013 02:11 PM  4 years agoPost 6
jackp332

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I can tell. There are always small things you can see. I recently spent a lot on a used airframe and after i got it home and started going over it and cleaning it i found several marks/gouges in the head that can only come from links breaking away, blade grips turning completely over etc. Also, once i started disassembling to clean, many fasteners were stripped, glued in etc. This would signal to me the machine has been apart several times before. Is it still fine? Sure. But it definitely made me feel different in regards to my 'Mint Condition' used airframe.

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10-11-2013 02:39 PM  4 years agoPost 7
AgentOrange

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im not saying not to be upfront about the history of the machine. im just saying that if you replaced all the broken,worn, stripped parts that it would be hard to make the determination that the heli has been in a crash.

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10-11-2013 02:41 PM  4 years agoPost 8
kingmeow

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Exactly the same reason when you buy a used car that has been crashed and fixed up again. You expect a lower price than one that hasn't been crashed and fixed up. That's why CarFax is in business.

For some, it doesn't matter as price drives the transaction, for others, it's important. If electronics are included, that raises a lot of other "can't see it now but may rear it's head later" issues.

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10-11-2013 02:43 PM  4 years agoPost 9
McKrackin

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I will say "Never Crashed" if it has never been crashed because no matter how well you THINK you repaired the heli,there is still damage.

Bearings with flat spots from impact being the least visible.
Those bad bearings make vibrations that effect the gyros.

But like I said...I will say that IF the heli has never been crashed.
I don't think I've ever used those words though.lol...

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10-11-2013 02:55 PM  4 years agoPost 10
don s

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I only ask if it's been flown, if it isn't obvious from the listing. I've bought 2 used helis, and replaced a bunch of stuff to get them "like new".

We're they crashed? Don't care. I tear it all down cause I'm paranoid like that.

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10-11-2013 03:10 PM  4 years agoPost 11
AgentOrange

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Ya doesn't matter to me either. Hell I just got a heli in thats only been test hovered and it had stripped torque tube gears. It could have happened in shipping but it still brings to light that you have to check your stuff no matter if its never been crashed or it has been. Im not trying to be defensive about this just wanted to see how many other people feel the same way. I love all my Runryder family lol "no homo".

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10-11-2013 03:21 PM  4 years agoPost 12
don s

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They all need TLC at some point (helis I mean). I just happen to buy them at those points. They are used after all.

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10-11-2013 03:40 PM  4 years agoPost 13
Crashr30

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So depends on who you buy it from. If crashed and properly repaired then it may be better then never crashed. Never crashed may have worn out ball links, balls,bearings, etc. Repaired may have all that replaced with a fresh canopy. You just do not know. Honestly when I see the term never crashed I am immediately suspicious of the situation and that it is someone trying to sell a basket case. Sad to say.

A friend that I recently met through the hobby got into it with an Align 550. Never Crashed............but apparently since the last rebuild. All said and done he did get a decent deal as the machine had been repaired and repaired properly but the frames are a bright orange aftermarket part, blades are some off brand I have never seen and they are scuffed but they fly fine. Canopy was cracked up pretty good. Like I said he made out OK but for being never crashed I would have never bought it but I have years of experience and he had never flown or seen a machine before. I am just glad that it flies well and has not required any repair since his purchase.

Bottom line for me is that Never Crashed is more a red flag than it is a positive selling point, at least to me.

Kind of like engines with only 3 tanks of fuel run through them. They were using 5 gallon pails of fuel for a tank but yes only 3 tanks.

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10-11-2013 04:14 PM  4 years agoPost 14
unclejane

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One other point that will always serve you well. Treat everything used you look at as crashed.

The other thing I do is treat every aviation purchase, used or new, as a total loss. That's particularly true of my r/c stuff, as I can't even remember the last time I ever successfully sold a piece of my r/c equipment. I've either destroyed it or given it away. But since I write off absolutely everything I buy the moment I hit "checkout", the loss isn't quite that punishing for me.

My trex 700 is still sitting over by the window. I rebuilt the rotor head last night and got so bored working on it, I just set it down over there. $20 says it'll rot right there along with the apt. until long after I'm dead and gone or moved away lol....

LS

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10-11-2013 04:25 PM  4 years agoPost 15
Heli_Splatter

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Hidden Damage is Why!
No matter how slight the "crash", you cannot possibly find everything that happened. Some things you just accept as flight worthy and move on. Of similar importance is age of the aircraft. How many flights is has and the last time major maintenance was pulled.

Have the ball links and bearings been replaced? What is the wear on the gears and pinion. What about the umbrella gears?

Just saying "never been crashed" has some significance if you believe the guy, but it is only part of the larger picture. Better to buy helis from someone you know.

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10-11-2013 04:35 PM  4 years agoPost 16
jason46

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Not much significance.

Never crashed, but I managed to wreck every bearing and ball-link with 1000 hours of flight time, oh and the last time I had it apart I forgot to use thread-lock, good luck!

No way to know if it is right until you rebuild it, used, new or crashed.

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10-11-2013 04:47 PM  4 years agoPost 17
kingmeow

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I recently bought a used but never flown Protos. Description was dead on but I'm in the process of stripping it and rebuilding it any way. On the outside everything looked good. But as I'm stripping, I'm finding all sorts of things. Some bolts had no Loctite, horrible EC5 soldering, a stripped screw and an improperly built FBL head (wrong spacer used), etc. I'm sure I'll find more.

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10-11-2013 05:41 PM  4 years agoPost 18
jackp332

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I agree- always fully disassemble and rebuild a used machine when you get it, it is the only way you can be sure it is right. At least I do because I'm paranoid like that

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10-11-2013 05:59 PM  4 years agoPost 19
Craigdieslemac

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Never crashed yet.. lol... when buying micro's, I always assume they have been crashed, since thats what they do.

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10-11-2013 06:13 PM  4 years agoPost 20
turboomni

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This statement has always bothered me and I don't know why.
How about this one "Only flown to church on Sundays."

Any used heli I would consider a kit and go through the entire thing.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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