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10-09-2013 08:35 PM  4 years agoPost 1
dilberteinstein

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I believe taxpayers can have penalties levied against them IF they have a refund coming.

But if they have no refund does this apply?

‘‘(g) ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURE.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The penalty provided by this section
shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and
except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and
collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under
subchapter B of chapter 68.
‘‘(2) SPECIAL RULES.—Notwithstanding any other provision
of law—
‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of
any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed
by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any
criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary
shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property
of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the
penalty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to
such failure.’’.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-1...-111publ148.pdf

I am not a certified tax lawyer, but I once watched a complete week of Perry Mason episodes and that should count for something.

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10-09-2013 08:49 PM  4 years agoPost 2
Dennis (RIP)

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But if they have no refund does this apply?
Of course it does. SCOTUS has already ruled that ObummerCare is a tax. If you don't pay your taxes your wages will be garnesheed (sp), or property will be seized. That includes your bank account.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-09-2013 08:56 PM  4 years agoPost 3
dilberteinstein

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Dennis
Of course it does. SCOTUS has already ruled that ObummerCare is a tax. If you don't pay your taxes your wages will be garnesheed (sp), or property will be seized. That includes your bank account.
Interesting.

You know there will be somebody that doesn't pay.

May be decided in the courts.

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10-09-2013 09:09 PM  4 years agoPost 4
Dennis (RIP)

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May be decided in the courts.
It's already been decided.

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10-12-2013 03:16 PM  4 years agoPost 5
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You know there will be somebody that doesn't pay.
There will be tens of millions of people that won't/can't pay the penalty. I'm one of them.....

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10-12-2013 03:20 PM  4 years agoPost 6
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Obamacare is the best place for a taxpayer revolt to start. Everyone should demand an exemption like Obama gave to his cronies. That would kill it dead!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-12-2013 03:20 PM  4 years agoPost 7
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People are NOW afraid of the Government : Can you say IRS ???

At one time the people where in charge of the Government - Now the Government is in Charge of the Civilian

Destruction of the Constitution : Or every way man can think of too avoid it or get around it.

Write a list of the violation's and the removal of Civil Liberities

Pretty soon you will have to carry a policy book

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10-12-2013 03:33 PM  4 years agoPost 8
Dennis (RIP)

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Obamacare is the best place for a taxpayer revolt to start. Everyone should demand an exemption like Obama gave to his cronies. That would kill it dead!
Well, Congress tried it and failed. Even though most Americans have not liked it since it all began.

Now, its up to us.

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10-12-2013 04:02 PM  4 years agoPost 9
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At one time the people where in charge of the Government - Now the Government is in Charge of the Civilian
Grey say something I can relate to.
that is so true grey, I don't understand how can they shut peeps
pay check but somehow getting paid them self, " see as long as they
get paid they don't care how long this thing last!!!.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-12-2013 04:24 PM  4 years agoPost 10
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It's already started in Several States : Deep Back Round Identity Checks ---
Waste and Fraud and Suspicious Aid and Entitlement : State Level

It's fallen off the Federal Level : The States are Broke !!!! They are policing and starting to in-force their own budget's with critically.

Fed level funding dependent on accuracy and enforcement.

Fed Level Taxes are Going UP ^ State level benefit' are going down:

Migration is occurring into those States with the Highest benefit's or easiest liberal Tax law's and away from those with accountability.
If you don't pay your taxes your wages will be garnesheed (sp), or property will be seized. That includes your bank account.
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Right down too if your kid is truant in school - you will not get your housing subsidy.

Back Child support - Back Divorce settlements -Un paid Debt to creditors is all factoring in - ect

THE IRS has a MASSIVE data base to sift

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10-12-2013 05:48 PM  4 years agoPost 11
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You have to remember obamacare. The affordable heath care act does not provide heath care, it forces everyone to by heath care to make it work and if you dont the irs is their to take your money and you still dont have heath care!!!!
Everything will go up because the government wants its fare share of your money

Just like they send all the ss to the general fund and leave you with a iou... Obamacare is BIGGER

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10-12-2013 06:13 PM  4 years agoPost 12
nitro fun

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Everyone that has heath insurance thought obamacare covers the 30 million un insured. That is what the king obama said..

They were duped...

Everyone has to pay for it to give all the government subsidize to the lower income people. And pay for all the 10 of thousands of government employees that handle obamacare

The democrap strategy worked to delay it after the presidential election so the king can get re-elected by low information voters

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10-12-2013 08:01 PM  4 years agoPost 13
Dennis (RIP)

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There will be tens of millions of people that won't/can't pay the penalty. I'm one of them.....
If you have refunds coming on your tax returns, then they will simply deduct your fine (tax) from your refund.

If you owe taxes and do not pay the fine (tax) then more fines and late fees will be levied on to you. You WILL have to pay those. There is no getting around it.

If you are self employed, you are on your own.

Best of luck.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-12-2013 08:04 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Dennis (RIP)

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Migration is occurring into those States with the Highest benefit's or easiest liberal Tax law's and away from those with accountability.
Supposing that's true, the moochers are heading for the blue states.

The job seekers are heading for the red states.

Anyone see the irony in that and the potential for solutions or further problems?

I do.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-13-2013 03:08 AM  4 years agoPost 15
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We have alway's had some form of free socialized medical care.
Never has a Hospital turned away the injured or sick, even to the very most destitute. From giving birth, to accident's to elderly and children.

Just visit a public health clinic or a Out Patient's ER in a Hospital.

Fee's are based on the ability too pay:

During the weekday's at a public heath center it's itch's & scratches, teeth, and vaccination's or pills or wound care basic's to those that need them. FREE or nearly FREE

On the week end's in a E.R. Outpatient's it's the same except sick kid's, sick adult's, Drug O.D's, Drunk accidents, the very sick emergency, Auto Accidents.

A great deal is general medicine - in a ER clinic. Stsnding in Line with a snotty nose or a ear ache.

No matter the patient care, or ability to pay - care is given.

No refusal : Many of the indigent have NO insurance at all and can rack up hundreds of thousands of dollar's in debt without ever paying for the service. They do NOT CARE : Especially the immigrant. Hospitals even provide multi lingual translators

It's gotten so wild they literally look for opportunities to load them in a cab and dump them on the street or to home less shelter's.

It's Cash operating issue - Find a way to TAX or have the public relieve the bad debt's to the Medical industry and provide some profit.

Doctor's and Hospital's are going BROKE

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10-13-2013 04:11 AM  4 years agoPost 16
nitro fun

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Obama said obamacare will cover the 30 million amaricans that dont have heath care...

What about the 30 million illegals??
Who pays fir them??

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10-13-2013 04:15 AM  4 years agoPost 17
dilberteinstein

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nitro fun
Obama said obamacare will cover the 30 million amaricans that dont have heath care...
What about the 30 million illegals??
Who pays fir them??
Quick...run to your bathroom and look in the mirror...I think we found the guy that pays for it.

90% of life is "showing up"

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10-13-2013 02:01 PM  4 years agoPost 18
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before too long, 100k per year will be middle class.

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10-13-2013 03:55 PM  4 years agoPost 19
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Dayuum 30 mil that a lot of people to be with no healthscare
Does TEDDY cruiser have a fix??? or maybe he's going learn to get
accent right 1st and speak English.

The immigrationer is telling Spanish PEEPS to learn English before
they can come here, then how the hell did [Teddy bruck shut] made it to texas.

The democrat got 30 million new voter 2016 for all them who can
now go to the doctor will just say than you and VOTE DEM,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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10-13-2013 04:12 PM  4 years agoPost 20
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wait until they figure out it's not free esco. You still have to pay a monthly premium. Even poor people. You get the money back at the end of the year....but in the meantime, you still have to pay for it....and it ain't cheap....

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