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10-11-2013 06:57 PM  4 years agoPost 21
JKos

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Remeber I live in San Diego and have work for about have of the above companies
Then perhaps you should be thankful that the war machine exists and has been putting food on your table.

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10-11-2013 07:05 PM  4 years agoPost 22
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Sure,

And I, as a soldier, have been the recipient of those technologies.

I started my career on Vietnam era Chinooks, my first bird was 68-16006 with the 68 denoting it's year of manufacture. Think about that, 1968...

Thankfully I did not have to go to Desert Storm with this old bird, instead due to Reagan's foresight, I flew a newer D Model, 85-24333, into battle.

Having been trained on this new equipment for many years, I was intimately familiar with it and it's capabilities, allowing me to do the jobs that we were tasked with by our Government.

Should we go into Battle with old outdated equipment? Or old outdated training? I'm a firm believer in "you fight like you train". So if you want our military to win the wars that they get sent into, I suggest that you send them with the best equipment and training available.

Otherwise you waste their lives.

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10-11-2013 07:06 PM  4 years agoPost 23
ErichF

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Check back ten years from now and the players will have changed but the companies making money on your sons and daughters lives are as follows
Lockheed
General Dynamics
Boeing
Grumman
ect
Tell ya what, let's send members of your family into battle with nothing but a club and a rock, see how long they last.

Companies such as those are the reason we have the strongest military in the world. Their products save thousands of lives. Are they perfect? No, but I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them. There are plenty of "boogey men" out in the world, even without having to make up any. Stick your head back in the sand, we'll tell you when it's safe to come out.

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10-11-2013 09:39 PM  4 years agoPost 24
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Then perhaps you should be thankful that the war machine exists and has been putting food on your table.
The Military has nothing to do with what I do and I had my skills long before I moved here. I didnt work for the division that made cruse missels either. I worked on Atlas rockets for commecial launches

I PUT FOOD ON MY TABLE AND HAVE SENSE I WAS 18 On my own
Stick your head back in the sand, we'll tell you when it's safe to come out.
really? Im already out in the world. I dont need you or your help or for you to tell me anything

Im guessing that in your neighborhood when you have a disagreement with your neighbor you "duke it out' right?

also -at your job...got a disagreement...duke it out

Of course you dont. and if you have neighbors or co-workers who act like that you shun them or do your best to get the hell away.

So, if you dont act like that....why does our country?

Afganistan broke the Soviet Union. Its starting to break us too

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10-11-2013 10:15 PM  4 years agoPost 25
JKos

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I worked on Atlas rockets for commecial launches
Not just commercial. Atlas launch vehicles have launched many more government funded satellites than commercial at ratio somewhere around 4:1. It would not exist as a viable commercial launch vehicle without the DoD and NASA funds put into the program.

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10-15-2013 04:04 PM  4 years agoPost 26
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Not just commercial. Atlas launch vehicles have launched many more government funded satellites than commercial at ratio somewhere around 4:1. It would not exist as a viable commercial launch vehicle without the DoD and NASA funds put into the program
Just happened to be where I was working at the time. I do electrical/electronic work on facilities and machines. I can work anywhere for anybody.

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10-15-2013 05:27 PM  4 years agoPost 27
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I seem to trust the $38M aircraft and the pilot with thousands of hours of training vs. the person with the $200 quad they purchased from the dollar store.
I will take a small exception here, having been through a military training program. There are NOT thousands of hours invested in training each pilot. By the time a an average pilot completes his required payback for his pilot training, including that training, he may have gotten 300 hours.

In my case (Air Force), I received 25 hours in the T-41, 75 hours in the T-37, and 130 hours in the T-38. I flew a T38 (supersonic high performance) solo with approximately 11 hours time in the aircraft.

I suppose that if you consider the transition training to a KC 135 included in the training category, I received another 35 hours of training. Now if you again consider any flight after you receive your qualification that is not combat related a training flight (I call it a proficiency flight) by the time you finish your mandatory tour, you might have a total of 1200-1500 total time.

Maybe things have changed since I did my tour, but I do know I didn't get thousands of hours training time, and I am pretty sure the military can can't afford to do that now. I did fly during Viet Nam, and when I separated, I had a total time of just under 2000 hours. There just wasn't funding for more training.

I am not knocking the military training program, as I think they taught me how to physically fly a plane. Experience is what I gained when I reported to my post training duty assignment.

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10-15-2013 06:29 PM  4 years agoPost 28
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I was referring specifically to the F14, but was also including total training time including ground school, simulator time, classroom time, etc.

Do you think it would possible today for a high school grad with zero training or certifications to gain the skills and experience required to fly an F14 with only a few hundred hours of training and experience?

  

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10-15-2013 08:40 PM  4 years agoPost 29
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Well, we (myself and class) were slightly older, being a ripe ole 22yr old at the time, but yes, I can say that the training program could teach someone to fly an F14 (systems operation, not included) with less than 300 hours flying time.

The program, (at least the one I went through) teaches mechanical flying (by rote memory for most of it), not experienced judgement, and that was what I was referring to. I think the T-38 was as high performance and demanding aircraft to physically fly as any of the current generation aircraft out there right now.

My class transitioned straight from UPT to transition for F-4s, FB-111s, etc.

You are correct that I didn't include the systems, navigation, weather and performance ground training we received. That does add up the training time considerably.

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10-15-2013 08:52 PM  4 years agoPost 30
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I know several of the larger fortune 500 companies with their own aviation departments that fly their top executives around won't even consider a pilot with less than several thousand hours under their belt.

  

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10-15-2013 09:22 PM  4 years agoPost 31
rcflyerheli

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Oh, I agree completely, but that's called experience, not training. Same goes with major airlines. While their stated minimum requirements are generally much lower, a pilot with just the minimums is lucky to just get a foot in the door, let alone hired.

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10-15-2013 09:43 PM  4 years agoPost 32
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Experience is training for the job you want, not the job you have.

  

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11-01-2013 04:04 PM  4 years agoPost 33
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