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10-08-2013 12:35 AM  4 years agoPost 1
Stephen Born

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Helis have always been our platform.

I am thinking about moving to Quads.

Any suggestions? Tri? Octo?

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10-08-2013 12:38 AM  4 years agoPost 2
Mike Fortin

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A couple Phantoms and Zenmuse and a good Octo. You will be good to go.

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10-08-2013 12:56 AM  4 years agoPost 3
Stephen Born

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Phantom load capacity is GoPro only?

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10-08-2013 03:29 AM  4 years agoPost 4
HansAuf

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Depends on what you want to use it for. Big Hexa/Octo for DSLR AP, I suggest the AGL Hobbies UAP-2 frames for versatility. I like the CarbonCore stuff, but the AGL Hobbies frame has it beat for versatility although it is slightly heavier. Down from that into the compact/NEX size camera ships I'd go for the F800 (S800 clone) and an ASP NEX gimbal (inexpensive but very effective). Still with compact/NEX but lower in the price point is a DJI550 with extended (800) arms, tall gear, and the same gimbal. Go with applicable size T-Motors & ZTW ESCs. Then from there, the other choices are all really just user preference. But like Mike pointed out, having a couple quick, small quads like a Phantom or a 450 size machine are good to have for capturing fast moving stuff or navigating tighter spaces.

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10-08-2013 01:41 PM  4 years agoPost 5
unclejane

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I'm also drifting into multirotors though my use case is FPV and not AP.
I have a phantom and a (DJI) f550, both totally bone stock (Naza V2 controller on the 550). The phantom is tiny, basically a 330 class machine. I can hardly see how it's able to carry even a GoPro lol. Mine just has the usual surveillance cam/5.8ghz xmitter on it and that's all. Its limitations are the range of the included transmitter (300 meters I believe) and flight time.

The f550 with Naza V2 I totally love, though I'm flying it right now with the cheezy DJI 8" cheapie props (which I actually love) and 3S batts. So it's not a real speed demon or heavy lift platform at the moment. I suspect it'll be more spritely when I get my 4S batts in.

I should think for doing really professional AP you might need a larger machine, or a pretty suped up 550 class hexacopter with more powerful motors and better props, etc.

I salivate over the S800, but I can build 2 f550's and probably a 450 for what that thing costs altogether lol.

For stability in wind, though, I don't yet have anything that approaches my 700 helicopters with Microbeasts on them. My Whip on 6S even - it out stabilizes my f550 in a stiff wind by a good margin....

So I'm not sure yet if I'm going to completely go multirotor or not. Helis have collective pitch and very firm yaw control but are also a pain to maintain and you're always chasing some kind of vibration somewhere.....

Dunno....

But for AP I still think multirotors are probably the best solution overall...

LS

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10-08-2013 02:29 PM  4 years agoPost 6
Stephen Born

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I am looking for something small which can be utilized for disaster response situations. In the future, I would like a larger disk diameter for AP.

I flew a quad for the first time last week and was amazed at the stability and lack of skills to successfully operate. It is now of no surprise many have chose said route.

I can say from experience there is a distinct factor in multi-rotors and helis.

My conclusion is helis fight you in flight while multi-rotors want to fly.

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10-08-2013 04:30 PM  4 years agoPost 7
unclejane

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Yep, I think that's why they're getting so popular, especially in situations where the pilot has high "cockpit resource management" demands. Aerial photography and FPV for example - in AP, you're doing lots of other stuff to get the shot, etc. And learning FPV you need all the help you can get at first etc...

Multis do so much of the grunt work of flying the aircraft for you that they're great solutions for when pilot workload is otherwise higher than normal.

Only clinically insane persons like myself do things like heli FPV with a general purpose FBL heli and general purpose FBL unit....

Multis are, IMO, the way to go for lots of duties where helis used to be our only choices....

LS

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10-08-2013 05:02 PM  4 years agoPost 8
unclejane

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Oh and PS: for small, the humble Phantom is a great choice. The plastic body is very rigid, already has a landing gear and comes with a mount that you can modify in various ways to tote what you might want. I modded mine to carry a surveillance cam for FPV.
You do have to balance the cheezy props, but that done it's very smooth.

Also, it's a simple matter to upgrade the radio if needed, just put your RX in it, hook it up and then set it up in the software. I did it with my f550 from scratch using a Fut. s-bus RX, so I'm sure it's the same thing with the phantom.

They've been on sale lately too for $200 off the normal price, so they're a good deal right now.

LS

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10-08-2013 05:16 PM  4 years agoPost 9
Stephen Born

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I was leaning toward a Phantom. Unfortunately, it seems their lacking in the customer service department.

The Blade 350 is another option, but the unit is quite rudimentary. That said, they have excellent customer service.

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10-08-2013 05:25 PM  4 years agoPost 10
rilopez825

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I looked at the phantum but decided it has to much of a toyish look. couldn't take it serious if I went some where with it.
I ended up picking up a TBS Discovery. Its almost built and I already love how stiff it is. Simple to build. Its low profile makes it easy to place into a carrying case along with other FPV Gear and Radio.
But most importantly the gimbal. I didn't like the zemuse video's I would see online from the phantum. It still has some shaking in the video. Especially when you get them going fff. Its also limited to a short battery life.

If you just looking for something with out the Gimbal then the little blade works great. I flew one at the store the other day and it was great. even in 5-10mph winds. It still has that toyish look but if no gimbel then your not looking for serious video. Price is right too.

Richard

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10-08-2013 05:25 PM  4 years agoPost 11
Mike Fortin

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Phantom all the way.

if you are worried about customer service, purchase from a dealer that works with Empire Hobby.

JC and Jack provide excellent customer service on DJI products.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-08-2013 05:46 PM  4 years agoPost 12
Stephen Born

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I found this video comparing the 350QX and Phantom.

This is not AP for ASC, but for disasters.

Watch at YouTube

The TBS Discovery is from Team Black Sheep. I will not do business with them.

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10-08-2013 05:54 PM  4 years agoPost 13
rilopez825

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actually just spoke with my friend his burnt up. the main controller board has a burn spot on it. He flew it. landed swapped batteries then Toast.

Richard

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10-08-2013 05:56 PM  4 years agoPost 14
Stephen Born

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Which unit?

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10-08-2013 05:57 PM  4 years agoPost 15
Mike Fortin

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AP or DR the Phantom with the Zenmuse and GoPro are top quality.

Check out this video, keep in mind this could just as easily be a disaster scene.

https://vimeo.com/73371702

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10-08-2013 06:01 PM  4 years agoPost 16
rilopez825

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Sorry the blade

Richard

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10-08-2013 06:34 PM  4 years agoPost 17
Mike Fortin

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While the blade does something well it falls a bit short on others.

The Phantom is currently a complete package that is extremely stable even in 25mph wind.

The Blade is still in its infancy and will come a long way.

However, the Phantom will soon be available in a new design and will allow for larger packs and have even more features give it a good advantage on the Blade for a while.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-08-2013 07:06 PM  4 years agoPost 18
comet

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Aerial,
Why would you want to start with a little quad,
When you can start with a medium hexa ?
Nuff said.

ps: can you really call him a beginner

Watch at Vimeo

VT "slow&low"

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10-08-2013 07:29 PM  4 years agoPost 19
Mike Fortin

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That was a quad, not a hexa.

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10-08-2013 07:31 PM  4 years agoPost 20
comet

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You got it

VT "slow&low"

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