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09-21-2013 11:45 AM  5 years agoPost 1
Volcano

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Whats in yours? Mine is incomplete, some celox which clots major wounds instantly, and vet wrap. A thread like this makes more sense than helmets and fences. The celox already helped a planker who got his hand in the prop.
My first season flying I saw a guy hit himself on the head with a 600 trex, he got a few stitches and a concussion. A doctor was there, and he withheld aid like a POS. He said to go to the hospital and I thought he was lying about being a dr but he really is one and withheld help after watching someone get hit in the head with a 600? A combination of liability and a lack of care for humans.

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09-21-2013 11:50 AM  5 years agoPost 2
Retired2011

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A combination of liability and a lack of care for humans.
We can thank having too many lawyers with nothing better to do for the liability issue, but the lack of care is on his back...
I wonder how well he sleeps?

I need to improve my first aid kit for sure!

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09-21-2013 12:25 PM  5 years agoPost 3
red_z06

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He said to go to the hospital and I thought he was lying about being a dr but he really is one and withheld help after watching someone get hit in the head with a 600?
Does good Samaritan law protect only non professionals?

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09-21-2013 01:02 PM  5 years agoPost 4
GScott

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No. The Good Samaritan laws would have protected the doctor as long as he was not being paid. As a PA student I can tell you there is no way I would withhold treatment to someone injured.

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09-21-2013 04:14 PM  5 years agoPost 5
Ronald Thomas

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Believe me, just cause they are doctors it does not mean they know what to do. The Good Samaritan law will protect you if you are not a trained professional and you do something wrong. If you are trained and you screw someone up, all bets are off so I bet he was unsure and chose not to act.
POS in either case is the right description though as he should at LEAST know basic emergency medical care

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09-21-2013 04:47 PM  5 years agoPost 6
Flyin for Jesus

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Just throwing this out there as a possibility... maybe this doctor has had law trouble before.
So, with a simple stitches and concussion ( which I assume cannot be determined at a flight field ) What can he do? Give him a rag to put on his head and tell him to go to the hospital.
I also can only assume that if this guy had cut himself up in a way that may be life threatening, the doctor would not just tell him to go to the hospital.

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09-22-2013 02:22 AM  5 years agoPost 7
Volcano

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The guy who got hit had a flash knockout and then was down yelling for 911. He recovered quickly and had a minor cut. I put the bandaid on for him and the dr said to go to the hospital to get it looked at. We offered a ride but he drove himself and got 3 stitches. He was lucky the center of the rotor hit him and not the edge.

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09-22-2013 04:29 AM  5 years agoPost 8
VANHELI

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I do not keep a first aid kit with me. This is a good idea and think I will put one together.

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09-22-2013 05:01 AM  5 years agoPost 9
GREYEAGLE

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Here's Kinda a basic template : You can spend some change - Just add to it as you get it.
Now once they Know you got one - You got too maintain it - or it depletes. Stuff can add up fast and they could care less on the cost.

Your only trying to buy time - That's IT

KIT : Kinda the Basic's - Then Get creative - depend's how much room you got, and if you know what to do with it.
I just carry strip's and band aid's - the rest - I have MaGivier- ed

"Cloth type" Flexible Band Aids: They are water proof, will stick even on a tight over wrap, when bloody!

You can then scrub over the top if they are good ones. They will stay on when soap and water are used.

Note: try buy the 1" because the gauze pad is actually 3/4 the 3/4 is 5/8 pad
a Box of twenty is pricey ! Try to pack em all - If needed you can cut them in half - split em to hold it shut as a strip .

Steri Strip' s: 3 - size's available - Medium and Large - Sealed and sterile
If necessary you can work them between a Band-aid as you swap out.

Tape : Good Open wound Cloth tape or Blenderm : Johnson or Procter : With age the adhesive will go bad - check it .

Old School Large Steptic Pencil - Dam handy if needed.

Dressing's : Tefla Anti Stick : Pricy but worth it - Kinda hard to find at time's, 2' AND 4'' - Spendy Retail

Couple of large Freezer bag's : You can rob a Ice Cooler for a pack - Or for bid other reason's.

Couple bar's of Motel soap - Obvious

Pill's - or Pain Killer - Watch the Aspirin - = Bleeder - use the other stuff - BIG ONE's :: : " But I'm a Aspirin Guy "

Large Paper Clips : Hold the band aid's and to burn a finger nail hole if necessary. Bic Lighter.

4" Hemo's : some one always has one in a flight box for fuel tubing - Peeling the dam back off the Steri - strip's- or let some one else do it if stuff is slippery.

A good 3 feet of LARGE H.D> Fuel TUbing or buy a store bought torniguet or a large boot lace.
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Scissor's are nice - Small - Pakastainies - or if you got them the Little itty bitty Fiscar's with the needle point. Never had to use em . Thank God -

Pencil and paper : Pencil = Splint - paper obvious + Phone Number too moma. Pop sicle sticks

Chuck in a bottle of Bernadine / & Water for the aspirin or Tylenol

It will all go into a Large Freezer Plastic bag :

Then if you have a kid's school back pack
Then if you want to go Caddilac : MAXI PAD's for dressing's / a binding or ACE - maybe a couple .
even a couple Easy Glide ' s : - Not what you think for - But may save a life ------if you have to plug a gun shot.

Ice Crunch pack's -

Far as adhesive : Be care full !!! Especially if the wound must be opened again for abrading and cleaning prior to suture.

He will never for give you - can leave a nasty scar & open for bug's if it's not tight /tight /tight : Good on Live Stock

Stay away from duct tape on a wound ! Adhesive can get inside.

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09-22-2013 07:19 AM  5 years agoPost 10
classic

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A doctor was there, and he withheld aid like a POS.
Douchebag comment

In this law-suit happy nation there is NOTHING he can do other then offer Basic Life Support and your friend was walking and talking so he didn't need life-saving care immediately.

Plus, You don't know what kind of Dr he is, he might not have any ER experiance and realized the Hospital was what the pilot needed.
What exactly did you think the Dr should do? The guy had a head injury, without a CT scan or x-ray to know the extent of the injury, the hospital is where he needed to go.

I am a ER nurse, if the someone at the field gets hurt, I do happen to have bandages with me, but if its a head injury, or any other serious laceration, I would be telling them they need to get their butt to a hospital too. To many times people think they are fine after some accident only to die a few hours later because of some hidden problem or injury they didn't realize they had.

And Greyeagle, just FYI, other then the movies, a torniguet is very rarely used unless it is a last resort to stop masive bleeding, putting direct pressure on a wound is best. like you said, plain maxi pads work great!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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09-22-2013 10:31 AM  5 years agoPost 11
Volcano

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But you would probably be applying the bandage and looking closely. Not standing ten feet away and making a comment that youre a dr and they should go to the hospital. I didnt believe thta he was a dr since he didnt help.
But we see each other at the field and hes made comments about the hospital so I do know hes a dr, I couldnt care less what kind. I am nice to him as hes a nice guy in general, but he still cant fly a plane for crap 3 years later.

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09-22-2013 12:36 PM  5 years agoPost 12
Heli_Splatter

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After a terrible accident at our flying field. I created a first aid kit. One thing that recently was very handy was a large clean white hand towel. It is great for stopping the bleeding. I bought a couple of towels and washed and dried them separately. Folded them and put them in a heat sealed bag with a Red Cross paper. The towel is not sterile, but I can tell you it is far better than the oily rag we used when my friend was hurt.

Very important... do you know where the closest hospital is to your field? If it is not close-by, you need to make up some directions and have it available in an emergency. Do you know the field address in case you need to call for an ambulance?

We have eye-wash solution available. I have used that on one occasion. Boy was I happy to have that available.

We created an unlocked emergency supplies cabinet open to everyone. Keep it stocked. Who cares what someone uses. Just keep things there that are needed. You don't know what to prepare for, so just prepare.

One thing I like for SMALL cuts is thin CA (super) glue. It is easy to hold the cut together and put a bit of glue on it to hold it together. It does burn for a moment, but it works great. Not for anything large. Did you know, surgical CA exists?

For something large, use pressure and get them to a hospital quick.

When you walk into the emergency room, be sure to have all the blood on the towel showing, it gets you priority service.

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09-22-2013 12:40 PM  5 years agoPost 13
Heli_Splatter

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A thread like this makes more sense than helmets and fences.
Disagree, but this thread is good too!

Have a good fly.

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09-22-2013 01:30 PM  5 years agoPost 14
rpat

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Super glue was originally invented as a field dressing during the Vietnam war. That is how it came into existence. Later they found other uses for it. The CA that we use is not surgical quality , but in an emergency the stuff that we use will do.

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09-22-2013 01:44 PM  5 years agoPost 15
Thomas L Erb

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Another very good item to keep in your kits is cayenne pepper. It is a very good coagulant for bleeding injuries. We keep a well stocked kit at our field.

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09-22-2013 04:57 PM  5 years agoPost 16
qraptor

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is cayenne pepper
Ouch.. that's gotta hurt..

But seriously, the best generic thing to do for a bleeding wound is direct pressure. Do not try to wash away the blood. It contains many coagulants to stop further bleeding, as well as antibodies and infection fighting cells. In addition, any water you use will probably be contaminated. Let the ER handle the details of the cleanup afterwards.

As far as a head injury is concerned, esp. with loss of consciousness, it is really important to go to the ER. With a blow that strong, there is the risk of a sub-dural hematoma, and the person may appear fine initially. Probably best if they don't drive.

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09-22-2013 07:15 PM  5 years agoPost 17
Heli_Splatter

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latex gloves

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09-22-2013 08:18 PM  5 years agoPost 18
Stephen Born

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As the coordinator for our Disaster Response Team, I can greatly appreciate this thread.

As far as a first aid kit goes, I have a disaster kit that is readily available at a moments notice (24 / 7).

The kit even includes "Holy Water" for last rites.

Thanks.

Stephen

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09-22-2013 08:42 PM  5 years agoPost 19
qraptor

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And rescue dogs, too. Hard to top that.

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09-22-2013 08:44 PM  5 years agoPost 20
qraptor

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latex gloves
May I suggest nitrile gloves? They are only slightly more expensive, and there are plenty of people out there with latex allergy.

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