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09-20-2013 02:57 AM  5 years agoPost 21
doorman

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Cleared Up!!
If Len is involved, I think there is a very good chance that this new venture will be a complete and total success...
Best of luck and will be keeping up on the progress..

Thanks for clearing things up...
Stan

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09-20-2013 03:14 AM  5 years agoPost 22
jackp332

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Very happy to hear Len is involved in this. He is truly one of the greatest helimen in our hobby's history.

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09-20-2013 12:13 PM  5 years agoPost 23
Ace Dude

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Here's some additional information on Len and his accomplishments:

http://www.advantagehobby.com/pages.php?pageid=10

  

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09-20-2013 12:54 PM  5 years agoPost 24
Heli_Splatter

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What seems to be missing from all of this is the relationship between hobby king and JR. Nothing was mentioned about that.

Could we please hear something in that regard? Thanks

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09-20-2013 02:24 PM  5 years agoPost 25
Santiago P

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If Len is involved, I think there is a very good chance that this new venture will be a complete and total success
I could not agree more. I meet him many years ago and Len has been a stand out guy as far as I can remember.

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09-20-2013 03:50 PM  5 years agoPost 26
JR AMERICAS

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Hi Guys.
Thank you very much for your enthusiasm and positive comments, I am truly humbled by them....

With regards to Hobby King selling JR products, Hobby King is simply a dealer through one of JR's overseas distributors, just like any other Dealer. Hobby King is not an official dealer of Horizon Hobby and or JR/JR Americas, so the JR products they sell are not covered under standard US warranties.

JR also does not sell directly to Hobby King, nor will they. JR only sells through their authorized agents across the globe.

JR/JR Americas is aware of Hobby Kings advertising of the XG8 system, and there main concern is the current advertised selling price.

Please be advises when making ANY product purchase from companies outside of your country, that there is no warranty offered or implied by the authorized distributor in your country.

Based on this, a "to good to be true" price may be just that, so buyers please beware when making a decision to make an overseas purchase.

Please also know this is not just JR's policy, but the policy for most all companies.

I hope this helps clear up the comment that I missed in my original post.

Thanks again to all for your comments, and for your support of JR and JR Americas in this new venture.

Len

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09-20-2013 03:52 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Njheli1

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I'm just glad that an actual JR enthusiast like Len is going to be involved. Congrats on your new venture.

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09-20-2013 04:04 PM  5 years agoPost 28
lsnover

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Horizon generally does a pretty good job.

That said, I had to wait quite a few weeks to my my 9303 radio back after it ate itself when the battery died. Horion/JR did fix it for free and give me a new battery.

I like the JR hardware and especially their servos. But, I have a Vibe 50 and it is a bit of a pain to get parts for the FBL head upgrade. Horizon does not stock parts, and the kit they did have and sold me was incomplete (it did not have the alum. blade grips).

Now that JR and Spektrum have different DSM protocols, I'm really bummed. Spektrum/Horizon offer a host of radios and models via their BNF system. JR's newer systems don't play. It was nice being able to choose between JR and Spektrum hardware, but they have taken that option away, most likely for competitive/marketing reasons vs. technical. This sucks as a consumer, but it is capitalism, and Horizon has made the investment to create and grow that market, so it is fair for them to capitalize on it.

I hope JR will find a way to work in that market again somehow, and I hope they will do a better job than Horizon with Heli parts support. JR offers a belt conversion for the Vibe 50, and Horizon would not get it for me. Cost to get it from overseas was $140! and they did not even sell it in Japan, only Europe. I hope they can work it out, I like both company's products.

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09-20-2013 04:18 PM  5 years agoPost 29
Craigdieslemac

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Does Hobby King selling your radio's make them any less your radio's? Did they turn into something else or are they knock-off's? I have never purchased from them, and I have been looking at JR radio's to replace my spectrum DX7, but since they are no longer DSMX compatible, I will probably just stick with Spektrum.

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09-20-2013 04:50 PM  5 years agoPost 30
Four Stroker

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DSM2 was not legal in many countries including Japan. It was limited to 10 mW because it did not hop. Several spectacular crashes were recorded. THERE WAS A TECHNICAL REASON FOR DMSS. Japan tried to make DSM2 work by converting to DSMJ - very slow hopping with the same chip to get around the regulations. That is now what is known as DSMX. This is now 10 year old technology.

And of course, there is a capatilistic need invloved. Spektrum had started bypassing JR and making their own - DX8. The money maker in any radio line is the $500 range - DX9, XG14, 14SG. Note that the DX9 and XG14 have 7 point curves apparently good enough for F3C.

DMSS is built around 802.15.4 ZigBee which is a robust industrial protocol - with hopping added. Should be entirely adequate.

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09-20-2013 05:30 PM  5 years agoPost 31
9387ASH

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09-20-2013 05:30 PM  5 years agoPost 32
Craigdieslemac

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Its not a matter of the usability of DMSS technology, its a matter of all of my aircraft using DSMX/DSM2. I'm not switching.. but I am looking at the 11x, which is compatible.

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09-20-2013 05:55 PM  5 years agoPost 33
qraptor

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I have the 11X, and it is a very good radio, like it a lot.
And, best of all, you can upgrade it to XG11 by downloading a free firmware upgrade. Easy to do. The XG11 manual is also a lot easier to use.

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09-20-2013 07:12 PM  5 years agoPost 34
XeroG

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I really have no problem moving to another protocol - DMSS and heres why.

Like many here, I originally started in glo models and owned MANY engines, large and small. Some lived and died in particular models and some I moved to other airframes when appropriate. If I said "I am only going to stick with glo because I already have 10 engines, a fuel pump, starter, glo-igniter etc." and miss out on EP flight, it would be like I was stuck in a time capsule - Groundhog Day.

No one says that we have to ditch all of our Spektrum gear. As far as I can tell my Spektrum equipt. does everything it needs to - up, down, left, right, CRASH! And I too have more Spektrum than I want my wife to know about .

But I will buy my next radio for the future and not on what I have on the shelf. And if my current DX transmitter(s) dies, I know that I HH will be there ready to sell me another one for my 10 models and 5 Eflite plastic crash machines.

In addition, the financial argument of not to switch protocols really doesn't hold up anymore. The cost of purchasing another receiver vs. taking one out of another model is not as relevant, as we can buy one for less than than the cost of a good cyclic servo.

As for the technology, there are some really cool things about the way DMSS/JR moves the information from the transmitter to the model.

In other systems including our old PCM 72mhz. the information to each channel is sent in a round robin effect - i.e. first the elev, then the ail, then the pitch channel - all taking turns. What this means is if you had a REALLY slow motion camera, you could see that when you move the pitch stick from zero, you would see the elevator servo move first, then the aileron and finally the pitch. Kind of an unstable wobbly visual.

In contrast DMSS is the only protocol that sends all of the information to the control surfaces at the same time to eliminate this effect. The way the other manufactures get away with it is to to tighten up latency ( speed up), and therefore it is not that noticeable. But the problem is that when you speed up the transmission of information it starts to degrade and thus the internal processors automatically turn back the transmission rate until the loss is minimal - your computer does the same thing when downloading files. So the latency rate that the manufactures' advertise is based on perfect conditions; including weather.

With DMSS my swash plate moves up and down evenly, even when Al Roker ( Today Show guy ) says "its cloudy and chance of rain."

JR is also innovative regarding Telemetry. Other protocols send both the control information and the telemetry info on the same channel and thus shrinking the dedicated bandwidth for control information, resulting in increased latency.

DMSS uses two distinct channels and splits the information, so bandwidth is not effected. The truth is I probably cannot tell the difference in the two systems, but we ALL like to buy the latest and greatest.

XeroG

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09-20-2013 09:00 PM  5 years agoPost 35
JKos

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In contrast DMSS is the only protocol that sends all of the information to the control surfaces at the same time to eliminate this effect.
This is simply false. None of the radios on the market today have the issue you refer to.
Other protocols send both the control information and the telemetry info on the same channel and thus shrinking the dedicated bandwidth for control information, resulting in increased latency.
Also false. For example, the Spektrum telemetry system has ZERO impact on the latency of the control channels. None that I have tested have an impact. The transmitter actually only transmits for a small percentage of time. The telemetry is transmitted in the gaps of the transmissions from the transmitter.

Why has this thread turned into a radio discussion? Unfortunately, I'm not helping; however, posting false information isn't good.

BACK ON TOPIC: Mr. Sebato is a top notch guy. JR America will do well in his hands.

- John

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09-20-2013 09:46 PM  5 years agoPost 36
Four Stroker

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Don't believe anything you read on the internet. It might be marketing.

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09-20-2013 09:47 PM  5 years agoPost 37
TMoore

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In contrast DMSS is the only protocol that sends all of the information to the control surfaces at the same time to eliminate this effect. The way the other manufactures get away with it is to to tighten up latency ( speed up), and therefore it is not that noticeable. But the problem is that when you speed up the transmission of information it starts to degrade and thus the internal processors automatically turn back the transmission rate until the loss is minimal - your computer does the same thing when downloading files. So the latency rate that the manufactures' advertise is based on perfect conditions; including weather.
Like JKos said in his post; you may want to catch up on current events. I can think of one radio that has been out for 4 years now that sends out channel updates twice in every frame. https://rc.runryder.com/t172571p1/

https://rc.runryder.com/rr/rrpv.htm...2571&PG=64&IN=1

Let's keep this thread on Topic. I'm very happy that JR Americas, Lenny and Mooney are doing the JR line here in the States. I like Advantage Hobby a lot. I'm a customer too. I wish them nothing but continued success.

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09-20-2013 09:54 PM  5 years agoPost 38
vigor10

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Well this thread has been very informative. That 3 blade head JR heli is looking really good when you have parts support.

Team Synergy

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09-21-2013 04:28 PM  5 years agoPost 39
Four Stroker

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A three bladed head might make me go FBL. Hmmm...

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09-21-2013 04:46 PM  5 years agoPost 40
Craigdieslemac

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Oh no!! You went off topic!! The sky is falling! That has nothing to do with JR Americas!

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