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09-17-2013 06:59 PM  5 years agoPost 61
shinysideUP

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Yeah dude I had my 75 Ice burn up in mid air in 500 Pro, and a 140HV blew up in my face(Looney Toons style) only decent thing I can say about Castle Creations is they do not really hesitate to replace there broken products. It could happen to just about any ESC, its just that people buy more CC so you hear about it more.
VENT TIME:
As for Align, I have been a long time Align supporter, but after owning other brands I must add, Align designs are YTTIHS, design to make money. There dyed black gears belong in dumpster, from which they came. The 600 pro is EGABRAG, 700 E is TIHS, only there 500 Pro is decent. I am justified in saying this, seeing the thousands of dollars I have spent on Align parts in three years. I can show the dollar amount but I am ashamed to. After switching from Align I can now eat nutritious foods once again and further my flying skills (Align was holding me back).
I am not totally blaming Align for there super smart money making ideas, but I am partially to blame for being hard headed and not trying other brands.

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09-17-2013 07:04 PM  5 years agoPost 62
Av80R

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Is this Dino guy serious? Does he represent Align? If so, perhaps Align should rethink who they allow to perpetuate their name. He is absolutely full of incorrect assumptions. Amazing.

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09-17-2013 10:03 PM  5 years agoPost 63
Rodney Kirstine

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His attitude definitely doesn't make me regret having never purchased an Align helicopter, that's for sure.

Rodney
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09-17-2013 11:40 PM  5 years agoPost 64
Dino Spadaccini

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yes i am serious you offer no info to back what happened
and why did you post this in the Align section and not in the ESC section

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09-17-2013 11:45 PM  5 years agoPost 65
Eury

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Just a guess, Align supplied Esc?

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09-17-2013 11:55 PM  5 years agoPost 66
Eco8gator

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Palm Beach, FL

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The ESC should be setup to work with the MX motor by default...the only setup should be for radio endpoints...

If the radio in my car goes bad I blame Lexus...they swap it out and return my car to me in perfect working order...hasn't happened yet but you get the picture.

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09-18-2013 12:21 AM  5 years agoPost 67
y1der

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Ive seen 2 escs burn because of this: the motor mounting screws were too long, just barely touching the winding..do this before you fly, take an ohm meter set on continuity check, place one lead on the motor shaft one on the motor lead wire (unplugged from ESC)..repeat for all three wires...if you get continuity....your motor screw too long..causes dead short through the ground buss on the esc.. funny thing is is it will arm and run!..for a while... I checked my set ups and 1 out of 3 set ups..had this problem, now check your motors in the same way before install..if you get continuity..there is an internal problem in the windings to motor case or stator...could even be metal shaving doing it

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09-18-2013 01:06 AM  5 years agoPost 68
shinysideUP

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My heading was edited by RR
It originally said "Castle Creations HOTTEST videos"

[url=http://m.rc.runryder.com/t746683p1/?p=6150539#RR]

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09-18-2013 01:09 AM  5 years agoPost 69
shinysideUP

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What the heck, RR closed my post of castles on fire.
Whatever, this one had to be the funniest because it reminds me of me.

Watch at YouTube

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09-18-2013 02:44 PM  5 years agoPost 70
qraptor

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Illinois

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Ive seen 2 escs burn because of this: the motor mounting screws were too long, just barely touching the winding..do this before you fly, take an ohm meter set on continuity check, place one lead on the motor shaft one on the motor lead wire (unplugged from ESC
That is a good thing to think about. MrMel has an excellent video on it.

On the other hand, this was a kit. The kit maker supplied all the screws and the motor. If this was indeed the cause of the fire, it would be a manufacturing fault, and should be taken care of by the maker, instead of trying to dump on the flyer. Note, I said if.

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09-18-2013 06:46 PM  5 years agoPost 71
y1der

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yeah i can kida understand..but its still all in the set up..and it is the builders responsibility.. i can sympathize..but i take nothing for granted..just like building a real "kit" plane or Heli ..i would still re engineer where i see fit and in that instance even though it was supplied with the "kit" its still on the builder to check tolerances and final assembly fitment.

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09-18-2013 07:52 PM  5 years agoPost 72
rcflyerheli

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I'm not here trying to defend anyone, but I do want to point out because someone made a post about a radio and a Lexis. Lexis doesn't make the radio, and of course (within warranty period) they replace it if it stops working, but what about if it shorts out, catches fire and burns up the Lexis. I don't believe Lexis will replace the car if the problem is pinpointed to the radio.

Dino, I just went back through my manual on my 700 DFC. If there are specific settings for the ESC/motor setup like Align includes for the 3GX, I couldn't find them. My experience has pretty much shown me that the info for setting up the ESC comes from the manufacturer (Castle), and that info is what I have used so far.

If Align has specific recommendations for the setup and use of its products and included items, then they need to be included in the manual, or at least a reference to the product recommendations.

This is supposed to be a fun hobby. Challenging, but fun. All the barbs and spears that are being thrown (not only here but in other threads as well) really don't serve any useful purpose, and sure distract from the hobby and the fun.

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09-18-2013 09:22 PM  5 years agoPost 73
grim.the.grim

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This is supposed to be a fun hobby. Challenging, but fun. All the barbs and spears that are being thrown (not only here but in other threads as well) really don't serve any useful purpose, and sure distract from the hobby and the fun.
Amen!

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09-18-2013 09:33 PM  5 years agoPost 74
GScott

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Lewis Center, OH

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I'm still waiting to find out how Dino expects the customer to get logs from a toasted ESC. Align needs to take a cue from Mikado. The YGE controllers included with their kits are already setup for the included motor. Not to mention the YGE's and Kontroniks are flame proof.

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09-18-2013 10:06 PM  5 years agoPost 75
jschenck

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I think everyone should back off Dino just a little bit - not saying his response on this thread has been right but Dino and Jeff F. have been through hell these last few weeks.

As far as the technical issues on this particular failure what I was asking for and what Dino was asking for was - were there any log downloads from BEFORE the failure. Did he look at the ESC logs and note ripple voltage.

Also - what were the lengths of the wires from packs to the ESC? Was there possibly a cold solder or otherwise high resistance connection somwhere.

Was the heli flying at a low headspeed?

Was the ESC setup with GOV mode? What was the PWM timing and other critical settings.

Again, ESC shouldn't smoke, granted - but it can given the right circumstances. I think that is true of any brand.

Unfortunately OP hasn't provided us with any of this information which could help all of us learn why his ESC failed like this.

on a side note - one of the guys in my club has a V1 700 that has a few years of flying now with a Castle ICE80HV2 running a 700MX 510KV motor - sport flyer but does flips rolls and loops. Setup in GOV mode.

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09-18-2013 10:06 PM  5 years agoPost 76
BrainDrain_dx

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"YGE's and Kontroniks are flame proof"

I've seen both of these smoke some pretty nice helis. No esc is flame proof although the castle seems to be more flame friendly then others...

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09-18-2013 10:52 PM  5 years agoPost 77
Santiago P

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I'm still waiting to find out how Dino expects the customer to get logs from a toasted ESC.
When me (and Im sure Dino) were asking for the logs, we meant the previous flights before the incident.

The first thing I did when I used my CC HV ICE was check out the log of the first 5 flights to find out if there was anything abnormal.

Is a great tool to not only troubleshoot but also fine tune your ESC.
PERHAPS, this could have POSSIBLY show something not right and and a giant MAYBE, could have shown a psosible failure cause.

IF YOU ARE NOT USING THIS FEATURE FROM CASTLE, YOU SHOULD.

Not saying Av80R did something blaitantly wrong, this is good info for all of you out there.

I now mostly fly Kontronik but I had to add a JLog for peace of mind.
The YGE controllers included with their kits are already setup for the included motor. Not to mention the YGE's and Kontroniks are flame proof.
This is a GREAT OPPORTUNITY for Align to maybe publish threads/articles about recommended settings for their motors/helicopter, maybe even include a little card in the ESC with these, OR a link were the new owner can get educated.

I say this from a fellow modeler that DO NOT WISH a fire on anybody, regartdless of the brand they fly!

BTW
Nothing is flame proof, but some may be a bit more reliable than others.

Santiago

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09-19-2013 04:19 AM  5 years agoPost 78
knightofcarnage

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This is a GREAT OPPORTUNITY for Align to maybe publish threads/articles about recommended settings for their motors/helicopter, maybe even include a little card in the ESC with these, OR a link were the new owner can get educated.
They actual do have documents on what settings to use. For example here is for 850MX and CC 160. This has been there since 850MX came out. I seen a similar doc for 800MX too.
http://shop.align.com.tw/winset/Ins...%20850MX_en.pdf

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09-19-2013 04:34 AM  5 years agoPost 79
Santiago P

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knightofcarnage

Thanks for posting the document link.

But it Needs to be in a more visible and accessible place, like in forums.

A quick reference card in the kit, or with the motor, refering to the settings or website would be helpfull to the users.

Not everyone is as thorough or detailed as we may be and would not search pass what is on their face.

I understand is impossible to make things idiot proof, but the frequency and magnitude of events like this require a bit more attention than what the companies give them.

S

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09-19-2013 05:28 AM  5 years agoPost 80
rcflyerheli

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Even more so than visible, it needs to be in English. I was able to dig through and since I've done a lot of CC setups, I knew at least the numbers in the boxes. The rest (any explanation of the numbers ) was in Taiwanese and therefore unreadable by my limited linguistic capability.

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