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09-08-2013 08:12 AM  4 years agoPost 41
jadams

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Let's not forget cigarette smoking.... Kills over 500,000 a year... And it's still legal.

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09-08-2013 08:17 AM  4 years agoPost 42
Gearhead

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Let's not forget cigarette smoking.... Kills over 500,000 a year... And it's still legal

yes, and think about it, the government has regulations on cigarettes,, right,, yes.. so do you want the government to put an age limit on flying helis too ??

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09-08-2013 08:29 AM  4 years agoPost 43
McKrackin

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There's actually government involvement in the majority of the things on that list....But that's neither here nor there.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-08-2013 04:20 PM  4 years agoPost 44
Rick_H

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Ron Kyle is one of the two deaths I was referring too. I thought he was the first with Roman being the second. Anyone know who the third one would be?

Rick

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09-08-2013 04:27 PM  4 years agoPost 45
Thomas L Erb

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The big thing that we have to take away from this is if you disrespect what the machine is capable of you can and or will get hurt. One thing not noted here is the amount of injuries each year from helis as well. I have a local that got his hand in his rotors and nearly cut two fingers off and greatly damaged a third. Surgery repaired the damage but sadly the index finger was deemed later to be not usefull and was amputated.
We need to respect the machine and use common sense in how we fly. If you double the distance you fly From yourself you will increase the time to react to a situation. It doesn't matter if it is 1 ft or 100 this rule still applies. I teach my students to never hover closer then 15 ft from themselfs and to fly even further. Even a split second can make the difference in getting hit or not getting hit. I choose to fly safe better then sorry. I hope all others will as well. Be safe to all

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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09-08-2013 04:47 PM  4 years agoPost 46
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Situational awareness is one of the keys to success. This is one of the principles taught in the military and industrial environments to keep you safe. Tom is right about spacing as well. A little more distance won't bother me in the least. Better to be safe than get hurt.

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09-08-2013 05:03 PM  4 years agoPost 47
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Your Right, the Government is involved in them, There answer is to find a way to add an additional Tax to them. Not to stop them.

After hearing what is being said at the field and on forum's, The main concern appears to be with the increased power of these new heli's and the ease of flying them with the new technology available which is bringing more people into this hobby.

It may be time for the AMA and like organizations in other countries to produce online safety video's that are mandatory to watch prior to getting the insurance they provide as a first step to bring up safety awareness to people getting into the hobby. And require all current members to watch a safety video to renew. This would help and would yet be further proof to the Government that we can regulate our-self's.

Just my thoughts on this.

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09-08-2013 07:15 PM  4 years agoPost 48
Rudy

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Companys, groups, and the government can make all the laws, guidelines, and rules they want. The people that are doing it right will continual to do it right while the people that don't care will keep doing what they are doing.

Kind of like gun laws.

Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR

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09-08-2013 07:53 PM  4 years agoPost 49
joeb56

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Policing ourselves
we already do
its called the AMA - a bunch of rules drawn up from experience
unfortunately not everyone follows them
we need to or stuff like this will continue to happen
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Joe

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09-08-2013 07:59 PM  4 years agoPost 50
McKrackin

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If you double the distance you fly From yourself you will increase the time to react to a situation. It doesn't matter if it is 1 ft or 100 this rule still applies.
That's odd...

You tell your students to stay 15 feet away but suggest that I keep 200 feet?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-08-2013 11:14 PM  4 years agoPost 51
Thomas L Erb

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McKracken reread my post . I said a minimum of 15 feet when hovering and further when flying. By That I am talking normal upright simple hovering only

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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09-09-2013 01:21 AM  4 years agoPost 52
bopshi

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Common sense is not common anymore! It is evident in every aspect of life. But we must lookout for others and ourselves. I was at the Rotary wing club a few years back and watched a guy do inverted passes within a couple of feet of himself right on the deck shin level. Right then and there I said one of these people are going to kill themselves and unfortunately I was right. I HOPE THIS A WAKE UP CALL TO EVERYONE! They also have soccer games going on within 50 feet on other side of field spectators and all, not a good set up. Dave. had to add my 2 cents

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09-09-2013 01:27 AM  4 years agoPost 53
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Rick,, Tom Bass, 2003

https://rc.runryder.com/t70830p1/

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09-09-2013 02:30 AM  4 years agoPost 54
co_rotorhead

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Tom Bass, 2003
I think Tom Bass is the name of the park in Houston where Ron Kyle was killed, not the name of someone else killed by an RC heli.

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09-09-2013 03:41 AM  4 years agoPost 55
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Ron Kyle, I guess I got to start reading

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09-10-2013 04:59 PM  4 years agoPost 56
Mike Fortin

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We can site cases, statistics, videos and so on but at the end of the day a freak accident is exactly that.

I could have a 5 point seatbelt, airbags and roll cage in my car and drive 55mph but if a semi truck comes out of nowhere it would be a freak accident and that seems to be the case here, something that was otherwise unavoidable and not something due to negligence of the pilot.

I've seen Roman fly many times, he never seemed to fly overly close to himself and from the videos that have been posted they seem to suggest the same.

So we shouldn't do anything different than we have been, considering the extremely, extremely low stats that this hobby has in fact caused death.

Hell, Cows kill over 100 people a year from trampling and one would tend to think cows are much safer.

So, keep doing what we are doing and have been doing as it's obviously working because less than .000000000001 have died involving this hobby.

So please fly safe, don't try to impress people and have fun.

Keep this tragedy in the back of your mind as a reminder as to what can happen and govern yourselves accordingly.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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09-10-2013 05:13 PM  4 years agoPost 57
Clarence Creer

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Well said Mike.

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09-10-2013 06:52 PM  4 years agoPost 58
dela

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So we shouldn't do anything different than we have been,
So we have nothing to learn from this.

Ron Delahoussaye

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09-10-2013 07:56 PM  4 years agoPost 59
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Wow such an assortment of really unsafe flying. I applaud the guys who have the ability. Is it unsafe? Seems to depend on who you ask. Unsafe for the Pilot, I think so. You can be as good as it gets, and still a ball could break or a link fly off or worse a Gyro fail in the worst possible way at the worst possible moment.

Why do we pick on sponsored pilots? Because many of them are part of the problem.

I as much as you all want to know what the causes of these recent accidents were. Mechanical? Two Trex700s? Possibly both with DFC heads? I own a flybarless unit. Was one of these failures due to a FBLunit failing? I really need to know. It could effect me or others.

The potential for serious injury increases exponentially when you fly closer to yourself. You can fly with no one around and fly at 10 to 15 feet to yourself, in a stable hover and something could break or fatigue enough to fling that heli into your face.

I don't care if your alone, that's not safe, its a risk no one should take. But no we cannot police the world. Its a reasonably free world. We cant ask that you don't fly close to yourself.
(why that would be wrong me trying to prevent a tragic accident)

But for the pros out there AND the team sponsored flyers. You guys set the example to the young 17-20 somethings coming into this hobby en masse. You sponsors' need to make a clear statement. Really again I do not care how good you are, you wont always see it coming when your electronics fail.

This latest tragic event will change the flying rules at our club I am certain. We have rules we think are reasonable, not everyone follows them to a T. Even the plane guys occasionally fly over the spectators by accident. Our rules are start the heli on the middle of the runway, about 25 feet away. Never fly closer than 25 feet (fly bys down the runway) and any 3d stunts are past the runway about 50 feet or more out from the pilots spots.

During a funfly, these rules seem to erode fast. You can warn someone a few times but if the insist to flying close.. what do you do? report them and give them an ultimatum? Probably wont happen.

I have flown RC helicopters for 35 years. The heli hobby has gotten much more dangerous. ALL the pros fly close in, they trust their setups and hardware/electronics. I feel this is a false sense of security.

The Pros and the AMA and sponsors need to become vocal about this.
otherwise no change will occur.

Each sanctioned club needs to have safe(r) flying rules and needs to enforce them. One accident is too much and would close a club down in short time.

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