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09-07-2013 12:48 AM  5 years agoPost 1
vinnielopez

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I don't want to start a huge firestorm but I think those of us involved in the RC aircraft hobby should start policing ourselves and setting rules and limits to promote more safety before somebody else(big brother) does it for us. The last thing I would like to see is a bunch of government fools telling us what to do when most will know nothing about the hobby.

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09-07-2013 01:36 AM  5 years agoPost 2
TMoore

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Good point but does it necessarily require rules as opposed to some common sense restraint? I don't think it is time for this discussion just yet but that's my opinion.

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09-07-2013 01:38 AM  5 years agoPost 3
Volcano

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Yeah just like the govt shut down cars, motorcycles, baseball, football, fishing, bicycles, and dogs. More people get killed by each of those every year than have ever been killed by anything rc. I hate people who expect to give up their rights over incidents.

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09-07-2013 01:40 AM  5 years agoPost 4
vinnielopez

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My concern is only about government whether local state or federal stepping in. If we don't don't start showing self restraint it may happen and we may not like the outcome. I'm a huge 2nd amendment guy and I am all for our freedoms but the government has a habit of stepping in when it is not needed and I agree that there are other activities which have killed and continue to kill more people than RC ever will. And for the record I am not one to want to give up my rights easily. As for government shutting things down anyone remember the 3 wheelers in the eighties?

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09-07-2013 02:36 AM  5 years agoPost 5
Rudy

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As long as we are just hurting/killing our selfs the Government will not care.

Plus there is no money in it for them, so they will never care.

Rudy Ackerman Houston TX/Bend OR

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09-07-2013 02:39 AM  5 years agoPost 6
HotsHabit

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As long as we are just hurting/killing our selfs the Government will not care.
Its when they fear we might hurt or kill someone else is when they start shutting down the publicly owned areas.

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09-07-2013 03:58 AM  5 years agoPost 7
Gearhead

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car, motorcycles, baseball, football, fishing, bicycles, and dogs
Volcano, the whole point is, all these things you listed are already regulated in some way by the government,,, yes,,, and that is not what you want in the hobby, would you like to have to register your models every year, and maybe have to write out a report for every crash, maybe get fined if you don't, would you like to be made to have your heli inspected monthly by a certified inspector, or have your radio checked every year, or every 6 months

well, you can say what you want, but sooner or later some of this stuff is coming

Jim
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09-07-2013 04:51 AM  5 years agoPost 8
max232

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I don't think anyone is going to try and shut us down or regulate us over 2 hobby related deaths in the past 15 years.

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09-07-2013 04:54 AM  5 years agoPost 9
Bouchah

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Maybe it is time for the big boys in the hobby, Align, Goblin, Gaui, Mikado, Thunder Tiger, Synergy ect... to step up and actually promote safety by example. Go to IRCHA and watch demos and power hours what is heavily promoted there, hard core in your face smack 3D. If I had to bet, I would say every one of the mentioned groups above had a power hour or demo of some sort at IRCHA and the pilots flew some sort of Funnel, Hurricanes, Walls you name it, that put the helicopter at a high rate of speed heading toward the crowd only to be turned away luckily under control. Had anything gone wrong during any of those flights we could have been reading about a horrible incident back in August.
In fact there actually was an incident at IRCHA, when the 700 size bird wrapped itself around the young mans back, luckily! That day could have been a very sobering event but he was lucky, not hurt severly so business as usual, maybe not for him but most everyone else.
I can not recall one time during a demo flight, anyone talking about safety or how dangerous these models are. They could lead by example by pushing their flights out further and then the announcer making a vocal point of it during the flight. I.E. We want to show you how hard this machine can fly so we are going to put a safe distance between the machine and man and let it all hang out! We at XXXX model corporation believe full hearted in our product, however there is always a chance that something can go wrong so it is best to fly in a safe manner without putting anyone in harms way.
If more statements like that were made, supported and demanded by the manufacturers, distributors, sponsors and announcers and the actions of the top pilots in the hobby, also support those safe principles by showing more respect for the potential hazards of the hobby then I believe it would be a much safer hobby.
I say much safer not that no helicopter will go out of control but that there wouldnt be the pressure on all the up and coming pilots to have to push the safety envelope to the extreme trying to be like the pros, or trying to get noticed by flying up close and in their face in hope to become sponsored themselves.

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09-07-2013 05:13 AM  5 years agoPost 10
TMoore

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Howard makes some very cogent points in his post that I largely agree with. There was a thread a while back with someone flying some low inverted stuff in a parking lot late at night after the Jamboree hours. If I remember correctly there was a fairly big split in opinions regarding the incident with the general consensus being that doing stunts in a parking lot after hours was no big deal. Opinions vary but this seems like in retrospect, one of the times when a manufacturer had the chance to step in and make a statement. I'm not singling any one manufacturer out because going forward all of them have a chance to change the focus from the low to the ground smack down style to a slightly more sedate and higher up style of flying.

The history at events in the last few years suggests that the trend will continue unless we all recognize that it would be better just to roll back the aggressiveness a little and move the flying out a little farther away from the pilot station. Close in flying gives little chance for the pilots to make adjustments in case something goes really wrong.

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09-07-2013 05:34 AM  5 years agoPost 11
Gearhead

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I don't think anyone is going to try and shut us down or regulate us over 2 hobby related deaths in the past 15 years.
(2) there have been more than 2 inside the US, and 3 by planes I believe, and to add the deaths that have accrued will only be part of why the government will step in,, why rush it with unsafe flying

Jim
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09-07-2013 05:41 AM  5 years agoPost 12
TMoore

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https://rc.runryder.com/t741123p1/

Now here's a thread that on the surface is a dazzling display of flying but once you start to realize what the true situation is, it apparent that it is precisely the sort of flying example that this thread is speaking to.

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09-07-2013 05:49 AM  5 years agoPost 13
Gearhead

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boy he got pretty close at 2.31 on the clock

Jim
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09-07-2013 06:05 AM  5 years agoPost 14
TMoore

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Would you say that this sort of flying sets a risky example for others to try to emulate?

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09-07-2013 06:45 AM  5 years agoPost 15
Flys4Fun

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the problem with this hobby in regards to safety is big power/toruqe motors and straight to the main gear drivetrains that allow for no slippage when striking something. All that is being thought about is power, speed more and more and more, safety is not even a concern. Helis are dangerous, but when you compre what is the 'norm' 3d setup nowdays to decade ago, they are so much more dangerous now.

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09-07-2013 06:49 AM  5 years agoPost 16
Einzelganger

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Here's one.
Excellent pilot. Great skill. Bad example.

Watch at YouTube

Wayne

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09-07-2013 07:08 AM  5 years agoPost 17
CrazyRay303

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^^^ That video he Should've hit throttle hold I'm saying to myself throttle hold Throttle hold .. Smh

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09-07-2013 10:40 AM  5 years agoPost 18
max232

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there have been more than 2 inside the US, and 3 by planes I believe,
So, what is the numbers? I've only heard of two by heli, not sure about planes.

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09-07-2013 12:16 PM  5 years agoPost 19
Craigdieslemac

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How did he not notice the death wobble in that video?

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09-07-2013 12:32 PM  5 years agoPost 20
Heli_Splatter

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never should have tossed the blades.
@6:10 do you see how bad the heli is shaking... something is really wrong with it right then... come on dude, land... figure it out. fly responsibly.. this was not.

Did you see how long it took for the blade to land.. it really tossed it good.

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