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09-08-2013 01:42 PM  5 years agoPost 101
fla heli boy

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problem is...there's only so much you can do.
I woods-raced MX bikes all over the state for over a decade and we'd have a fatality occasionally. Most every person racing wore every piece of protective gear made for the sport and stuff just happens. I've been in several races where multiple people had to be air-lifted out. What we do is dangerous.... only so much we can do. It's the government stepping in that worries me.

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09-08-2013 02:06 PM  5 years agoPost 102
135boom

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Safety and complacency
Nobody is over reacting here. Having been in RC for 37 years, 23 of it helis, the last 15 or so have seen a trend of more aggressive flying styles. Unfortunately because few have been hurt or killed, complacency sets in. Added to this is a lack of fear for these machines. Hence the trend for ever closer and lower flying. Look, I like to watch a good routine, but it has gone too far. We need to be considerate, if not for our own safety, at least of that of the spectators and fellow flyers around us. Get these birds off the deck and pushed out 50 yards. The comment about an Hatori muffler going through the blades and flying out with jagged edges from altitude as being dangerous is a weak argument against altitude and distance. The muffler lost most of its lateral inertia before it hit the ground.

Bottom line, this terrible accident is something we need to learn from. We are in the public spotlight now and need to intelligently address the unsafe trends in our hobby. If that means a net, bunker, or whatever for public events so be it. If it means flying higher and further away, do it!
Doing nothing is not an option !

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09-08-2013 03:27 PM  5 years agoPost 103
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I just can't believe what just happened in Brooklyn... Really just very upset about it still.. I can't sleep at times thinking about it... I don't really know why... I haven't flown since and have had the entire weekend off... This really sucks
Howdy Mate.... Please don't be upset but your comments seem to suggest you didn't realize this could happen.?.?.!.! Until the moment a flying lawn mower hit someone, it didn't occur to you that this flying pastime could, without due caution, end badly.

Years ago I personally got very lucky. I installed a set of JR 8411 servos in two of my helicopters. Shortly thereafter, for then unexplained reasons, while sitting in a hover, my helicopters began rolling on their backs destroying themselves leaving me with my transmitter in my hand saying, "Oy, what just happened?. (Time passed and we latter learned that this servo was not a good choice for helis.)

Now you say, in what possible way could a few years worth of numerous servo failures and nameless crashes be "lucky"? Well, most obviously, no one was hurt but beyond that, it taught me an early lesson - That is, even when things are going perfectly, and at I time when I'm flying well within my personal abilities, my helicopter can take off in rapid and random directions through no input of my own. It taught me to fly in such a way that I expect a servo to fail at any moment, and if it does fail, it doesn't hit me, or anyone else.

Your comments seem to suggest that until someone, and someone close to our community, got killed, it never dawned on you that this was a very real possibility.

It's because of the people in our hobby that haven't considered the consequences of their actions that we now have to contemplate new regulations.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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09-08-2013 03:34 PM  5 years agoPost 104
wjvail

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https://rc.runryder.com/t734136p1/

While the above thread spends a lot of time on different FBL controllers, watch the first video...

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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09-08-2013 03:42 PM  5 years agoPost 105
max232

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I've been in several races where multiple people had to be air-lifted out
I used to race MX back in the 90's and I had to be air-lifted out one time. I kept racing until we had a son,then my wife asked me to stop racing.

135boom- yes, we are in the spotlight for sure, I have been getting emails from a lot of friends, friends that usually couldn't give 2 cents about my hobby asking if "these things" were really that dangerous.

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09-08-2013 03:50 PM  5 years agoPost 106
fla heli boy

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I still laugh when one of my friends calls my stuff "toys".....
My dad is missing a thumb thanks to a DA150 and a carbon prop. My best buddy turned a forearm into hamburger, reflexively reaching thru a prop to stop a runaway 120 four stroke plank.....luckily his dad was on call (surgeon) and stitched him up right away.
Toys??? Not so much.....

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09-08-2013 04:03 PM  5 years agoPost 107
MichaelC

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Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, why not use something that's already on the market? And.... already at most of the public parks a lot of us fly at.

Don't fly at a park, do a google search for soccer goals for sale and you'll find tons of them and some that are not too expensive.

Mike

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09-08-2013 04:06 PM  5 years agoPost 108
qraptor

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Sounds like a good idea. Any thoughts on the weight of one of these? It would be great if you could find some that could be broken down and set up where needed.

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09-08-2013 04:11 PM  5 years agoPost 109
Zaneman007

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Wjvail
Agreed.

Lack of fear and complacency along with smack down right in front of you is the issue. I see too many people trying to fly like the pros. Which is right in front of them.

Skill level has nothing to do with it. I have had servos fail. One happened while in flight caused the heli to roll to the left, there was nothing I could do to prevent it. There is an IRCHA vid of a heli crashing and hitting the pilot, no major injuries.

In summary,
The frequency is picking up as more people get into this hobby. I too received an email from a relative about this recent accident. There is a difference between watching a heli crash from a safe distance, and having to duck. If you have to duck or run maybe you are to close. Problem is I can not name one "PRO" pilot who flies 25 feet or more from himself, can you?

PS watched a KID at our field duck to prevent a Trex 600N from hitting him. The heli went right over him. We bashed him pretty hard. Whether he got the "you are flying to close" message or not is anyone's guess. But I haven't seen him since.

Old Guys Rule!

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09-08-2013 04:17 PM  5 years agoPost 110
max232

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Wjvail- wow, that video shows how quick something can go bad. If it went south while doing a fast inverted hurricane, there's no getting away from it! While I might get slammed for this, I think has become more dangerous since flybarless controllers, people put so much faith in a tiny box filled with electronics, that they fly 80 mph less than 5ft from head. I have had several different fb controllers and can tell you every one of them at some point did something strange, even if just a tiny "twitch". We won't ever get rid of humans urges to be dare devils,
"Flirt with disaster" or " live on the edge". But I am going keep it further away, sometimes we just need a reminder. Roman's death has already saved more people than we think!

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09-08-2013 04:29 PM  5 years agoPost 111
wjvail

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I still laugh when one of my friends calls my stuff "toys".....
My dad is missing a thumb thanks to a DA150 and a carbon prop. My best buddy turned a forearm into hamburger, reflexively reaching thru a prop to stop a runaway 120 four stroke plank.....luckily his dad was on call (surgeon) and stitched him up right away.
Toys??? Not so much.....
The use of the word "toys", as it applies to this hobby, has been beaten around too many times to allow this very important thread to be highjacked. Still - I have a lot of toys. Some of them are just expnsive and others will bite you if you don't respect them - but they are all still my toys. If the use of the "t" word is upsetting I apologize. I don't use it to be inflammatory. But, if I take it out and play with it in my free time, it's one of my toys.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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09-08-2013 04:56 PM  5 years agoPost 112
icanfly

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if you think a flimsy soccer goal netting is going to stop a 700 you must be kerbonkers.

If you want to fly within inches of lopping your head off get a pope-mobile made from ballistic grade plexi glass, or at least a goal net shaped half structure with the glass on the upper half. Could be a trailer, folding, two piece, the sky's the limit as to what your imagination can dream.

What is bizzera is that no agency who protects the public from faulty product has stamped rc helis with a safety rating (of zero most likely). You would need one in the event of a failure. In regards to a safety device and/or barrier, no one will manufacture an item designed to protect someone when it can fail putting liability suits at their doorstep for producing faulty safety equipment. Testing is very expensive and few of this type of item will sell to a niche market like rc helis.

Just don't fly so gaddam close and frighten the frick out of everybody like your on a deathwish or something.

Another contributing factor in RP's death may have been the switch to narrower chord blades, which require more collective. A slight miss-calculation with a large machine is all the difference between disaster and safety, especially in wind and or gusts.

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09-08-2013 06:11 PM  5 years agoPost 113
BENTDABOOM

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quote I wear those anytime I ride, but I dont think helis are near as dangerous, and I can get a rush out of helis alot safer than on my bike.

riding a bike, flying in a real airplane,walking across the street
flying a copter etc etc etc...face it when your times up ITS UP!
an out of control heli can kill just like riding a bike......0

quote if you think a flimsy soccer goal netting is going to stop a 700 you must be kerbonkers.

no it will stop it but will sure as hell slow it down, long enuff to save a life

CAUTION!!! politicians may be hazerdous to your well being

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09-08-2013 06:11 PM  5 years agoPost 114
Trex700Flyer

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Its very unfortunate that something has to occur before many consider how dangerous our toys and hobbies really are. There are plenty of warnings out there but they really aren't taking serious.

All of modeling is dangerous, including airplanes, helis, cars, boats and even control line. For that matter commuting to the field is more dangerous than being at the field.

I watched and listened to a group of club members discuss the recent accidental death at the flying field on Friday and one of them was sitting with his back to the flight line while a plane was flying around at 80mph 50ft from his back. The plane landed 10 minutes later and someone started a heli up and he turned his chair around. I asked him if he felt the airplane flying around for the last 10 minutes was safer than the heli and he said yes. Pointed out he had his back turned to a 40+ pound airplane flying around at 80mph with enough kinetic energy to seriously injure several people.

Most modelers feel what they do is much safer than what everyone else does and that really is not the case. Low 3d flying at a somewhat reasonable distance isn't any more dangerous to individuals at the field than up high flying where the model has more time and altitude to fly and accelerate into the pit area or crowds in some cases.

The main point here is its all dangerous, even the small electric powered models have the potential to do some serious damage.

Put some thought into what you do and most important of all pay attention to what is going on at the field. If something happens to your model let "everyone" know by yelling out heads up as quickly as possibly. Saving the model is important but letting everyone know something is wrong is much more important as a lot of them do not pay attention.

If someone discusses this with you take the time to try and let them know that while the recent accident does emphasize the fact that r/c helis are dangerous its important to keep in mind that other forms of the hobby have resulted in just as many if not more accidental deaths and its very important to keep in mind models in general are very dangerous.

One recent trend on helis is flying directly towards oneself / crowd, (tail slides and pulling out aggressively or just flying straight at yourself). This is the best opportunity for something to go wrong and if it does the path of the model is unfortunately towards the pilot / people and this is not a good combo. You don't have to stop doing this but change the angle of the maneuver in such a way that if something does go wrong its heading towards open area, even a slight change in angle is much better than straight at yourself or others.

Safe distance is very important but altitude does not really make things safer, often times it just offers more opportunity for the model to accelerate. When something does go wrong with our helis they generally don't travel very far due to the instability of the models, the lower it is means less distance traveled most of the time.

Funnels and hurricanes do give the impression of being dangerous but keep in mind there is a small percentage of the arc that results in a trajectory toward people and at high speeds that portion of the arc is covered very quickly. I am not saying they are safe but please keep in mind a simple turn of a heli in forward flight results in the exact same trajectory and could result in being just as dangerous.

If you pay attention while flying you will realize that whether you 3d or not many times the trajectory of the model is exactly the same and towards people. Perception of the flying style might be affecting your consideration of how dangerous something is.

I was injured by my own heli several years ago and of all the "dangerous things" I had done this occurred during a take off. The model lifted off 50ft away and I was flying away from myself and the receiver failed, the model nosed into the ground 100ft away the carbon blade struck the boom and it flew directly towards me hitting me in the stomach broken end 1st. Took 14 stitches and I was very lucky, I respected the dangers before and after this but the accident still occurred. I saw exactly what was happening but did not have time to react even from 100ft.

After the accident I pretty much figured I could stay at home and wait for the 747 engine to land in my lap while watching the television Live your life and enjoy yourself but do put a little thought into the things you and others do, what you do is just as dangerous as what others are doing even if you think they are flying in a riskier manner than you.

Even something as simple as a small barrier around the pilot has pluses and minuses. We have barriers up at our field about 3ft high and they are straight in the front and angled on the sides, aka /----\ shaped. It does offer a great place to duck behind if needed but they also limit which way you can run if necessary which needs to be considered ahead of time. I realize they are light enough to pick up and carry ahead of time so this may be useful information later on if needed. They would even make a good shield to hold up if time permitted.

Something else I thought of many years ago is the transmitter really isn't worth that much money, it wouldn't offer much protection but something is better than nothing. Same thing goes for the chairs we sit on, something is better than nothing.

As you can tell I have been in the hobby long enough to be almost hit by just about every form of flight, even from an early age I was told to keep an eye out for models and how dangerous these things are. Even if I wasn't old enough to really understand the dangers I was still able to avoid being hit several times. Things happen in life and its unavoidable, high, low, fast, slow, doesn't really change anything it can still occur.

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09-08-2013 07:31 PM  5 years agoPost 115
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The new AMA approved Heli Pilot & Spectator safety suit.

Rick

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09-08-2013 07:42 PM  5 years agoPost 116
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09-08-2013 10:10 PM  5 years agoPost 117
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^^^^
And helis just bounce of it, and he keeps flying

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09-09-2013 12:29 AM  5 years agoPost 118
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i figured out how to make my flying barrier
I know exactly what and how to make my helicopter shield now.. This idea is real Easy, cheap and portable and it will provide 100 % protection from the type of fatal injury in the news.. I will use an aluminum picket fence panel from the home depot. I will cut the panel in half and add three heavy duty hinges to it.. Not only will it be light and really strong it will fold and unfold real easy.. It will also provide side protection because once unfolded, I can stand in the point of the fold directly with the hinges infront of me.. It will probably be able to stand on its own without any tent spikes or metal U braces pounded into the ground. If my heli heads straight for my body, it will explode on the fence instead on my body. Pictures to come real soon.. This is the ticket boys.. no more FEAR for me... Flying behind that bitch.lol It will be Eight feet tall and four plus some feet wide.. no heli will come through that.. only pieces in the rare event it even every hits it..

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09-09-2013 01:29 AM  5 years agoPost 119
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Why is it when the person Europe died from rc heli there was little talk of heli safety ?
when the "safety police" attacked lil Ryan for flying in a school yard with his classmates they were told to shut up and stop overreacting.

The real question is why are you guys overreacting "in general"?

is it because he was American?
or because he was a sponsored pilot?

spending time, paying attention

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09-09-2013 02:15 AM  5 years agoPost 120
hindsight

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Im just smarter thats all. The writting is on the wall..
Its because I fly a high head speed helicopter that's made in Taiwan feet from my body as I flip it all kind of crazy ways and try new ticks on the bitter edge of my comfort zone. I have always been scared of that flying thing... And always thought about building a barrier.. I may be over reacting but.. I aint taking the chance that I have a servo fail or I make a mistake.. Plus this is the 3 rd in one year I'm told. Thats enough for me...IMAGINE HAVING YOUR THROAT AND WINDPIPE CUT BY YOUR HELICOPTER MADE IN TAIWAN.. NOt a fun day...and I see its very possible..And no I dont ride motorbikes anymore either..

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