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09-06-2013 09:34 AM  5 years agoPost 21
Craigdieslemac

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if you build a personal, transportable safety net, I think PVC and some loose netting would be perfect... you could even use some 550 chord. you would have to have a way to stake it down, tent stakes should do. all you need to do is have something the heli will get wrapped up in. Something that will buy you some time to get the heck out of the way.

This is just something I threw together on paint.. the black would be PVC.. the red would be 550 chord. You could space it out as much as you want, and use thicker PVC on the back and bottom, and flimsy thin on the sides and top. I didn't draw 550 chord on all the sides because it would get confusing in the pic, and I think most will get the point. Also not drawn in would be the chords to stake it down.. I think if you got used to flying in this "box" you wouldn't notice it after awhile.

I will probably not be making one of these as I keep the heli pretty far away. Also, maybe that same SAFE, or whatever its called, technology could start being employed as an electronic safety net.

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09-06-2013 09:48 AM  5 years agoPost 22
Craigdieslemac

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more fun with paint..

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09-06-2013 09:48 AM  5 years agoPost 23
dialarotor

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we are going to have to start thinking of subtle change, I hate change
If you go back to the 3D masters photos and videos when it was in the UK, you can see fine mesh net catch fences erected on poles like the ones used for bow feather advertizing signs to protect the crowds. It could stand to be even a little higher.

Watch at YouTube

IRCHA is really going to have think this over for show center. You can see through it and it would catch/slow/maybe stop a heli from getting into the crowd.
A 4 x 8 chain link or square mesh style fence mounted vertically to at least step behind for protection would be a first good step for the pilot & spotter. I don't like to have things in front of me when flying but to be able to sidestep behind a fence/net versus turning my back and running like this years IRCHA pilot hit in the back is a better option.

About 10 years ago the accident at Tom Bass park in Houston changed things down there. I visited that field often in 2004 & 2005 while waiting for my ship. The heli area was very protected and nicely executed after changes were done. County gov got involved and they all worked to make it happen.
If nothing else please just move your heli out a little further than you fly now. Yesterday's accident is a tragedy. I always feared it would be one of our top pilots and the community would really be shaken. We've had two wake up calls this year, the gentleman in Europe and now NY, we can do better. It's a wonderful hobby, community, but it's not worth dying or maiming ourselves for. Time to put our heads together and come up with some trial protection devices. We'll eventually get use to them. Sure I don't like it, but I like my friends and family and don't want to see anyone hurt. I teach RED CROSS year round at the college level for professions and I hope each and every one of my students never has to use anything I teach them. The first part of those courses is the use of personal protective equipment and supervising workers under their control to make sure it is used. Do you even wear eye protection? Do you even have a 1st aid kit? 911 is a really lousy bandage. How far away is that at your flying site?
We can't and you can't afford an accident. Fly safe. do the maintenance so you can trust your machine. If in doubt, don't fly it, fix it and fly within your skills. Yes we all want to be Bobby,Nick,Bert, but you have to put in the time and effort and practice, they did. A 1000 safe flights is worth way more than one scary out of control big dawg showboating smack flight.
Think about and maybe build and try a protection device and pass it on if you come up with the next great thing. RIP ROMAN
Here is a place to get some ideas for net types. they do all kinds including sports nets and cages. Even heavy monofilament gill netting is possible, nearly invisible and strong enough to stop a porpoise and sharks.
http://www.memphisnet.net/?gclid=CN...CFY1FMgodyk8AKw

Something like this at a pilot station on two poles, stand next to it and if something goes wrong step behind.

http://www.memphisnet.net/product/5...stops_heavyduty

Here's my choice for a crowd protection net, nearly clear large mesh and comes in 12' and 24' depths. Strectched out on several poles between crowd and flight line, it would serve as a catch net should a heli get away or parts ricocheting into the crowds. openings for the pilot station area. Just an idea, but soon we are going to have to try it. KISS principle, but better than what we're doing now. The same poles being used for loud speakers now could be employeed so very little clutter to the viewing audience.http://www.memphisnet.net/product/6...o_8plymonotwist

Further down you will see comments about spotters and others near close-in flying pilots. Nobody wants to be a BUZZ KILL, but we have to start policing ourselves and not take offense when we are reminded to keep it down to pilot/spotter. IRCHA always starts out great and gets dilluted by the 2nd or 3rd day as everyone gets comfortable. Normal fun fly events, we need to be on top our policing from the start. Smile and eat the ****te sandwich and do the right thing and keep it safe, don't take offense' from Heli Gods to Noobs, live to fly another day.

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09-06-2013 10:00 AM  5 years agoPost 24
hindsight

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Thank you for that post...
I'm building my net....and I'm gonna keep practicing the art of 3d flying...

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09-06-2013 10:30 AM  5 years agoPost 25
wrongler

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Safety, Safety, Safety!

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09-06-2013 10:38 AM  5 years agoPost 26
Richardmid1

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Hers's the problem: short sighted judges!

The pro's fly close so the judges can clearly see the heli and what it is doing. There should be a minimum distance a pilot can fly infront of him/herself before being disqualified instead of the line being along where the pilot is stood!

There should also be a rule about how close other people stand to the pilot at funfly's etc. I saw at least 3 other people stood with Duncan Bossion doing his demo's at IRCHA and he flys super close and low ALOT of the time!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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09-06-2013 10:44 AM  5 years agoPost 27
RICH.L

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sometimes even flying 150 feet out can be dangerous.
my hatori pipe went up through the blades on my trex600 and became a missile,missed me by about ten feet and went 20 feet behind me!

when I looked at the muffler it had sheared the end off and was jagged and looked like it could have done some damage to me.

I was flying alone also,I may have to whip up some kind of netting myself!

rich

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09-06-2013 10:55 AM  5 years agoPost 28
Einzelganger

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Maybe a small cubical chain link cage or dome that could be back-stepped into in case of emergency only. Like a shark cage you enter only when the shark shows up. At that point, radio contact will be irrelevant anyway. An entrance just large enough for the pilot and not for a set of blades to enter. An "ICE Box" or "ICE Dome".
Personally, I fly farther out and up and will continue to do so. My reason is that I have had a left-right cyclic servo hang full left (stripped or whatever) and the Titan 50SE immediately tic-tocked into the ground beside me at full power.
All these ideas may sound goofy, but there will eventually be a demand or requirement for something to be done whether we like it or not.
I will continue flying my way in my pasture.
I'm only offering these thoughts to those who care.
I love this hobby and don't want to lose it or see anyone else hurt.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

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09-06-2013 11:02 AM  5 years agoPost 29
Craigdieslemac

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Heavy mono fishing line would work great too! good idea!

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09-06-2013 11:07 AM  5 years agoPost 30
Einzelganger

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Craigdieslemac

I like your idea of heavy monofilament line better than my chain link suggestion. It would work and be much lighter. Visibility through it would also not be very important if used only as an emergency shelter. Mesh could be tight.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

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09-06-2013 11:20 AM  5 years agoPost 31
Craigdieslemac

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I am thinking more along the lines of something you would be inside of/behind at all times. These things move hella quick, and it would be hard to duck behind something if you are too close and have a failure and it rockets at you. It could be made very light.. very cheap, and be a sorta one time use thing... design it to kind of absorb the impact and twist up into itself. The end result would be no damage to you and minimal damage to the aircraft. Anything too hard, i.e. chain link, could cause parts of the aircraft to break off and come at you.. mostly blade fragments. For a portable/personal unit.. I think light and pliable is the way to go.

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09-06-2013 11:24 AM  5 years agoPost 32
shinysideUP

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Haven't you been watching all the videos on runryder? People enjoy flying there machines low... Your not realistic..sorry... You remind me of the old men plankers that want you to fly the pattern with your helicopter when you show up at the field... Round in circles high and far away.. This is 3d flying bro...
Just got me my first nitro, 15% Nitro still really rich watch till the end PLANKERS your cohonas will grow!

Watch at YouTube

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09-06-2013 11:50 AM  5 years agoPost 33
Heli_Splatter

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In Europe -
The field that I visit in Germany has netting to separate the flying from the spectators. We are all spectators most of the time. The netting is green and is used here in the US to stop golf balls along roadways at driving ranges. You really don't see the netting as you watch the flying through the netting.

The netting is like a tall fence 10 feet high and has areas to pass through as shown below (ignore period chars).

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I have seen at least one video where a plane was stopped by the net from entering the crowd.

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09-06-2013 03:30 PM  5 years agoPost 34
fritzthecat

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If you want something quick and portable, buy one of those erectable canopies. Remove the front half of the top (keep rear for shade) and wrap netting around the front three sides and top.
Cheap, portable and shade.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Tra...y-Blue/22402171

Here, U$50.

Fritz


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09-06-2013 03:39 PM  5 years agoPost 35
GyroFreak

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If you want something quick and portable, buy one of those erectable canopies. Remove the front half of the top (keep rear for shade) and wrap netting around the front three sides and top.
Cheap, portable and shade.
Perfect, easy and portable. CHEAP

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-06-2013 03:46 PM  5 years agoPost 36
GyroFreak

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A few more dollars and you can go way out, keep the bugs off while flying.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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09-06-2013 04:13 PM  5 years agoPost 37
Craigdieslemac

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That is awesome Gyro.. I actually have one of these.. you could bring some lawn chairs, road sodas (for after flying). Maybe just shore up the sides a little so it absorbs impact better.. put your radio in there.. have some tunes. Bring the wife.. or the GF.. but not both at the same time..

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09-06-2013 04:26 PM  5 years agoPost 38
qraptor

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Just got me my first nitro, 15% Nitro still really rich watch till the end PLANKERS your cohonas will grow!
shinysideUP:
Can't see the vid. Its marked as private.

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09-06-2013 04:28 PM  5 years agoPost 39
qraptor

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A few more dollars and you can go way out, keep the bugs off while flying.
And have the missus along to fan you as you are flying....

(well, we can dream, can't we?)

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09-06-2013 04:52 PM  5 years agoPost 40
artimus

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Ask the guys at Cascade model heli club how well those pop up tents stops a heli......some body flew their heli right thru one last year.....you will need chain link to stop a 700 out of control.
It was pure luck nobody was killed but did distroy a few helis on the table.

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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