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09-03-2013 06:02 PM  5 years agoPost 41
Einzelganger

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Campbell, Texas

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I watch and research buyers .if I get a lowball from a person that over 70% of their post are classifieds I don't reply . I don't mind giving a good deal but a good deal to resell at a profit ,this isn't eBay . I would sell on ebay if I wanted to deal with that mentality .
People are busy and this is a hobby to most so not a priority when selling . I don't sell because I'm hurting for the money ,it's just to move on to next toy . If you want to buy it bad enough patience will get it .
I like this attitude Jeff.
This may be a hobby to me, but it is an important part of my day and sanity. If someone offers something for sale, I look at the item and the price and move on if it's over my limit to take a chance on a used item. If it is a good deal and a review of the seller and their history doesn't come back looking like a continuous garage sale, I p.m. for a paypal account number. I will not insult with a low-ball offer.

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09-03-2013 06:48 PM  5 years agoPost 42
trappg

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McKrackin you are truly a legend in your own mind. LOL.

I could not disagree with you more (on most of your posts as a matter of fact...) If you are posting things for sale at your most rock bottom prices and then buying things for more than advertised something is definitely amiss. As with ANY sale whether it's an RC helicopter or a new house, the seller is trying to get as much as he can and the buyer is trying to pay as little as he can. It's the simple art of haggling, dickering, bartering, whatever you want to call it. Now... we all have a rough idea of what something is truly worth. And if you don't, then a good idea is to look at comleted auctions on Ebay - that will tell you what people are really paying for the item. So when I see a used flybarred Trex 600N advertised for $1200, yea in my mind I might offer $650 because that's truly what it's worth. The seller might think that's a lowball offer but that's what I'm going to offer. Bottom line, I don't believe there are many in this type of forum trying to screw the next guy over. I believe this is a pretty tight group just trying to share the common interests of RC flight. It's very simple to tell if someone is legit just by listening to them talk about the item. I've been buying and selling RC "stuff" for almost 20 years and only had one incident on an airplane engine that needed a piston rod. And even then, I saw the guy at a fly-in the next year, mentioned the piston rod to him and he handed me cash right there on the spot to pay for the rebuild I had already completed.

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09-03-2013 06:56 PM  5 years agoPost 43
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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I'm not making rules...I'm voicing my opinion on how I would handle MY transactions.

You're free to disagree...even though I don't know what you disagree with.

And why is something "amiss" because I pay a fair price and price my own stuff cheap?

Is paying more than asked or pricing below worth the new scam in town?

And eBay is not a true representation of worth.
It's a trash site that people use to get rid of stuff...or scam people.

An offer of 50% asking is not worth a response.
It will just be the first in a long line of annoying PMs.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2013 07:18 PM  5 years agoPost 44
trappg

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And eBay is not a true representation of worth.
It's a trash site that people use to get rid of stuff...or scam people.
Trash site? They are the world leader in on-line auctions and one of the first places I go to buy just about anything anymore - them and Amazon. If I didn't sell things on ebay that I don't use anymore, I'd have a house full of... well... stuff I don't use anymore.

And to clarify what I didn't agree with on this particular instance, I think it's unprofessinoal to just ignore a PM even if it is something you don't want to hear. Even on the-off chance someone is trying to take you for a ride, a polite "I'll pass." will suffice.

Just the other day the Prince of Zimbabway offered me half of his inheritance of 2.6 billion. I politely declined...

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09-03-2013 07:21 PM  5 years agoPost 45
McKrackin

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If I didn't sell things on ebay that I don't use anymore, I'd have a house full of... well...
Trash? Junk? lol...Exactly...A place to get rid of stuff.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.
That's how eBay operates.
Nothing wrong with that but eBay is not the way to assign worth to anything.

If you go to eBay stores that sell new stuff,the price is the same as any online store.
The real deals are individuals that just want rid of their junk and clutter.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2013 07:36 PM  5 years agoPost 46
McKrackin

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By the way...I have no idea why people are arguing about me being wrong...I'm not.

The people who handle things differently are not wrong either.

Handle YOUR transaction however you want to.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2013 07:38 PM  5 years agoPost 47
McKrackin

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Just the other day the Prince of Zimbabway offered me half of his inheritance of 2.6 billion. I politely declined...
If you are being serious...all you did was verify your email address as an actual functioning email address to a virus used in a scam.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2013 08:29 PM  5 years agoPost 48
trappg

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No, not serious…

And yea I guess you’re not wrong. Let’s review some of things you’re not wrong about:
1. Selectivity of who to reply to for merchandise offers… “Low ballers suck”. An offer of 75% below, no wait, 50% below asking price does not deserve a response.
2. Never offer less than asking price.
3. Sometimes pay more than asking price. (It’s ok to purchase goods before payday with money you don’t have by throwing an extra Andrew Jackson at it).
4. Flag pesky low ballers with a black dot. Always mark potential buyers with a mouse-over comment.
5. Ebay is a trash site and it cannot be trusted. Just “junk and clutter”.

All makes good sense to me…

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09-03-2013 08:31 PM  5 years agoPost 49
McKrackin

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All makes good sense to me…
Why should it have to make sense to you?
I spend my money...you spend yours.

1. I said 75% of asking is a low ball so obviously 50% is less than 75%.....If you're trying to point out inconsistency,you're making yourself look bad.lol...I never said 75% of...READ

2. I never said that...I said I don't

3. That is between the buyer and seller...I have also allowed them time for payday and have even shipped before payment...Check for yourself

4. I flag potentially RISKY buyers...and yes,I try to avoid being annoyed.

5. I never said that...eBay has grown to include actual stores...I use eBay but not as a way to assign value to stuff...only a way to find stuff that people are getting rid of or to get rid of stuff myself....Like I said...One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Why are you arguing about it?
People are different.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-03-2013 08:47 PM  5 years agoPost 50
Craigdieslemac

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How do you un-subscribe to a post.. You two are cluttering up my inbox with your nonsense.. Agree to disagree.. Or arguably agree.. Nobody gives a _______.

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09-03-2013 08:47 PM  5 years agoPost 51
trappg

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Thanks for the healthy debate - it was fun. I've seen plenty of other threads where others have joined in similar useless banter with you - always good for a chuckle. And don't worry, in the future I will leave you alone.

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09-03-2013 08:48 PM  5 years agoPost 52
trappg

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LOL!!! Sorry guys. I'm done...

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09-04-2013 03:25 AM  5 years agoPost 53
mr dan

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Thanks for the healthy debate - it was fun. I've seen plenty of other threads where others have joined in similar useless banter with you - always good for a chuckle. And don't worry, in the future I will leave you alone.
Really not interested in your hacking of my thread.
Mckrackin has valid points . I've done plenty of deals with him not to mention one deal where he sent the heli (trex 250) without me paying him in advance! this man is straight up. Sent me a tail servo Outrage HV for free!

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09-04-2013 03:47 AM  5 years agoPost 54
McKrackin

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That's why your user name has no dot Mr Dan...As a matter of fact,it's BLUE

I also remember that not long after I gave you that tail servo,I broke a set of 713mm blades and you sent me a free set?

You get what you give in this hobby.
Low ball offers do nothing to gain friendship or respect.

That is just the way I do things...It's not a rule.

To be completely truthful,I don't remember ever ignoring a PM or not replying to one.
My point is that I don't HAVE to if I don't want to...No one does.

Be respectful and you'll get a better deal in the long run.
That crap about offering half the asking price because you KNOW that's what it's worth?...That won't get you far in this hobby.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-04-2013 08:23 AM  5 years agoPost 55
Volcano

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I tried selling my NIB goblin 700 for 700 last season. I got so many idiots reponding that im still sitting on it. They wanted it for 700 with a vbar and torque servos, or pretended to want it just to waste my time. Not worth my trouble...

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09-04-2013 09:12 AM  5 years agoPost 56
McKrackin

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My point exactly Volcano.

These guys keep defending low ballers thinking they are the ones we're talking about.

They don't realize just how stupid it actually gets sometimes.

Some offers truly deserve no reply.Not a friendly one anyway.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-04-2013 10:14 AM  5 years agoPost 57
AWittleWabbit

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O.C., CA

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I've sold just enough to get a taste of the bad.

Maybe we need a bad buying techniques thread

I must say though, the classifieds still rock. I've met a few friends there. That alone outweighs the ultra lowballers, the story tellers, and the "I'll buy it!" only to vanish for 2 days to say you found something local people.

So, friends and decent people, I salute you. The rest of y'all can come down with inoperable hemorroids

Heli-itis sufferer.

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09-04-2013 10:47 AM  5 years agoPost 58
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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Volcano, I have no idea why you couldn't sell that Heli for $700, I just sold my airframe for just about that and it was used
Presentation maybe???? People are going to try and get stuff cheap, it is the way of selling in the classifieds. Sometimes you have to realize that it may not be worth what you think it is and take a hit. Now lowballing is not welcome but people are people, don't get upset, counter offer. I have sold MANY things that way but if you ignore their pm or be rude as some would suggest , then you will miss that opportunity.

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09-04-2013 10:56 PM  5 years agoPost 59
Mark C

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Houston, TX - USA

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Ahhhh.... Not everyone's been around long enough to remember the best lowball offer pi$$ing match of all time:

http://rc.runryder.com/t305844p1/

Make sure to read at least to the fourth post or so. Enjoy..

As for me, I never care. I get lowball offers everytime. I always respond. It just starts a negotiation. I never take it personally I just see it as opening up the first bid. Hell It's not like I made the stuff with my own bare hands or it's family heirlooms - most of the stuff I sell is excess goodies I won at fun flys, stupid impulse buys/overbuys, got in trades, etc.

Practically all of my used stuff I just give away - epecially with newcomers to the hobby that have a crappy tail servo or muffler and yes even sometimes entire helis. That way I know it usually makes it into the hands of someone who will appreciate it and use it.

But of the stuff I have sold on eBay I keep a rather intresting list of reasons non-paying bidders dish out. The list actually includes "Sorry I couldnt get you the payment but I contracted a flesh eating virus" and from another buyer in Houston who claims to have been "snowed-in and couldn't drive to the bank". Fun stuff.

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09-05-2013 01:01 AM  5 years agoPost 60
McKrackin

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See?

That thread is exactly why I say some offers need no reply.
Bonkers would have been way better off to not reply to the low ball offer...that the potential buyer admitted was a low ball in the actual offer.

He should have ignored it.

Why is it that you guys think a polite response is required to a PM you consider offensive?
If that is actually true,the guy should have just politely declined Bonkers' $25 offer instead of posting PMs in the open forum.

That whole thread would have been avoided with a simple click of the DELETE tab.
The guy throwing the low ball would get the point if he got no reply...He may have felt a little put off by being ignored but he would have known why he was ignored...He offended someone.

The seller had just edited his thread and lowered the price from $1350 to $1150 so the $1000 was a pretty raw offer.

Bonkers went a little...well...Bonkers.lol...but I do understand his frustration. I would have handled it a little differently.lol...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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