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09-03-2013 02:41 AM  5 years agoPost 21
Funky Trex

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The frame was the best part about the pro. I have had countless crashes on my primary 450 pro and have never broken the frames. Shame to see them change that instead of some of the other areas that could use improvement. At least the new motor and servos might be worth trying... hopefully they learned something from the junk servos that came with the old model.

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09-03-2013 03:01 AM  5 years agoPost 22
esmoglo

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I must say this helicopter looks really sweet I may even be tempted to buy one...

Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!

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09-03-2013 04:06 AM  5 years agoPost 23
ICUR1-2

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looks better than gaui's x3 wanna B

spending time, paying attention

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09-03-2013 04:24 AM  5 years agoPost 24
Mike Fortin

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Is "Miles Stone" related to Keith Stone?

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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09-03-2013 10:03 AM  5 years agoPost 25
Richardmid1

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And the Align bashing continues and none of you have built or flown one yet! lol.

Align packs are good packs and their new 6s 1100mah packs are dirt cheap! I really don't see the problem! All the other battery manufacturers (all 5 of them... probably! :rolleyes will also start bringing out 'proper' size packs like aligns for this heli as it will be huge!

So it has 2 bearings for the main shaft, because I had so many problems with all their other 450's like this didn't I!

Crap bearings, oh yes I forgot I am always replacing bearings in my align 450's!

Crap tail, oh yeah totally unflyable, blows out all the time!

Man the f*** up and just enjoy flying!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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09-03-2013 12:34 PM  5 years agoPost 26
Andy from Sandy

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The old T-Rex 700 with its two main-shaft bearing blocks used to do okay as I recall. So why does this little model need more?

The only thing for me that let the range down recently was the desire to go for ever higher headspeeds.

Allow the tail ratio to be changed to allow the user to set the head speed accordingly and then all will be well.

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09-03-2013 12:43 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Richardmid1

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Actually the v1 700e suffered from main gear wear and strippage due to flex from only having 2 bearing support (although I have never had a problem and I still own a v1!) BUT that has never been a problem on a 450. Anyway it all depends on frame flex and by the looks of it the new 450l has metal frame stiffeners so no need for 3 bearings.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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09-03-2013 12:55 PM  5 years agoPost 28
icanfly

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Tarot makes a unified bearing block for the 450 main shaft that'll eliminate the wobbly woes of the separated bearings. The pro v2 blocks can be unified between the servo horns with a internal threaded tube and two bolts from the top and bottom. A hollow tube and a long bolt will work too. You'll have to recess the bottom bolt/screw head which is as easy as using a counter sunk screw, thank me later. So easy to size properly when the blocks are in the frame. Cut the tube and make it lightly snug but not short. That easy. I'm going to do this next and in style.

You see the fancy piece of aluminum side frame with the Al logo on it? WRONG, it's supposed to join the main and tail blocks on the outside. Same thing can be added to any other frame out there that doesn't have a one piece drive line.

Another thing, the collective/pitch servo? If you have a hv micro servo it's going to stick out the side like a wart on a beauty queen. I recessed mine on my franken al 450 and v2, you can't do that on the 450l, fail.

I found putting spars, threaded rod or aluminum threaded tube, around the perimeter of a chassis across the frames to stiffen it up very well. All moot when you have a one piece motor mount/main shaft and tail drive/boom block. Did Align miss that one on this latest cop of every other boutique heli out there?

Looks like the 450l is more like a 480 and they should have named it so. At least marketing wise you'd think you were buying a NEW size/line from them. From now on its a 480.

I know it's in Asian but here's the clone donor

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...ved=0CEsQrQMwDw

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09-03-2013 02:24 PM  5 years agoPost 29
Zbawer

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this is the 1st time I seen the 450 tail lock so solid
What was wrong with your previous ones?
Must have been inproper building on your side coz my 450 pro tail is "un-blowout-able" and I still use old school pitch slider + tarot zyx

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09-03-2013 02:54 PM  5 years agoPost 30
nobato1

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"A Miles Stone"....

think he meant stoned for miles

lol

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09-03-2013 03:36 PM  5 years agoPost 31
icanfly

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one other thing about the worries of being limited to only an Al battery, you can always put the battery on top by lowering the plate the esc mounts to and putting the esc where it always was.

Nothing to get worried about if you can find ways to improve a shyty product, and I'm not sayin Align's that, but want to take note you are not limited to what they provide if you see areas of improvement.

Sometimes making that extra 1 percent of profit out the manufacturing end depends on going with a cheaper bearing, or lower tolerances, or eliminating something in perhaps the performance of the tail, servos, etc. Manufacturers pay tax too so in the end don't bitch and complain, do something, move your battery, lol.

I like the potential but the 450l is a bit superfluous in some ways. Guys already stretched and up kv'd 6s'd a 450 for a few years now just fine.

If they wanted to improve the pro v2 further they would have made finer tooth gears for the main and tail output gear, those are where the noise comes from (I really don't see how half a wishbone gear helps performance or noise except adding a negligible amount of material to the contact point). And someone said the stock main gears are out of round which will make a perfect consistent mesh impossible on a new gear, I know. I've been there and it results in wobbling/vibration. btw, finer teeth on a gear are stronger, quieter, last longer. How I know? seen it in action. A lot of noise is coming from that tail drive gear. Simple things make a difference,

"Miles of Stones for"

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09-03-2013 05:43 PM  5 years agoPost 32
Luvmyhelis

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Well written Icanfly. I did extensive testing and vibe log analysis on all the 450s a few years back doing research. And had Castle, Scorpion, machinists, and other engineers involved. You have to find the flaws to find the solutions. The solutions were what it was all about. Not only producing viable solutions to the problems but also advancing the platforms from 3 to 6s, then to 12s. And stretching the structural ability out past 420mm. As far as bashing Align? I still own a heavily modified fleet of them today. But there are better 450 designs out there currently. And QC has gone backwards with Align in the 450 class, not forwards. The earlier production runs a few years ago had a fraction of the problems being reported today in the last models. However in the 550 and larger class sizes they have actually improved.

Old cranky heli builder

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09-03-2013 06:06 PM  5 years agoPost 33
qraptor

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And on the 12s version I have hit over 25 min using old 300+ cycled batts. But on that heli the custom 2122-1020kv Scorp motor was producing so much torque I couldn't keep dual stacked delrin mains from stripping
Luvmyhelis,

Did you ever try a lower torque variant of the motor? The flying time seems amazing.

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09-04-2013 03:27 PM  5 years agoPost 34
es1co2bar3

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Well guys there's something about this new setup on the DOMI,
1800KV motor 13t-Pin 1100mah battery pack you can still get 5.5 min
3D flight time at insane speed with the 360mm blade,

now this's 2 notch ahead of former setup with the 1630kv/2010kv 10 or 11T-pin
6s 1300mah 325 blade = 4.5 insane flight.

these setup pull more AMP over the DAMI, with the 2010kv 10T-pin.50T-main gear.

The DAMINATOR see like a power saver with the energy grabbing setup. I have not tried the formula yet with the 3 setup yet.

I"M just guessing at the moment.

Watch at YouTube

I'll post 3D video later today when I got time.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-04-2013 03:52 PM  5 years agoPost 35
Zbawer

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That got to be the worse heli related video I ever started watching... I was done with it after 20 sec.
Dark, out of focus, and background music making me want to get run over by a truck

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09-04-2013 04:33 PM  5 years agoPost 36
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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nice

Insha Allah made in america

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09-04-2013 08:18 PM  5 years agoPost 37
uncleTy

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Has anyone got a video of this thing flying? Maybe better pics or official info on it?

Uprite and able to take solid food

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09-04-2013 08:38 PM  5 years agoPost 38
Luvmyhelis

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Luvmyhelis,
Did you ever try a lower torque variant of the motor? The flying time seems amazing.

No graptor, not directly with this motor. I did wind a couple 2221 canned Scorps that produced less torque than this 12s 1020kv experimental higher stator/mag count version. I still ran into the same issues with the gearing. Which btw got twice as bad with the unsupported gear train in the align config version. Here is why. The main gear set gets pushed away from the pinion as it has no direct support under the gear set to help maintain shaft center. And has to rely on the two upper bearing supports, which allow the gear set to wallow around between the pinion pressure and rear gear set due to the support angles. Which are even worse due to the current bearing quality align produces. We ended up running with abec 7 ceramics trying to limit the shaft wallow issue along with microheli cnc milled delrin gears. We all know no molded plastic gear in existence rolls concentrically. The pinion gear pressure exerted against the gear pushes the main rotating assembly away from itself. So the low and high spot as the gear rotates against the pinion cause the gear to move or chatter back and forth. And the high low spots also in the tail drive gear allow the gear to move back and forth also. The main gear gets bounced back and forth all over the place. So add in any more power and things get even uglier.

Old cranky heli builder

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09-05-2013 01:04 AM  5 years agoPost 39
es1co2bar3

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Well guy s I make small 3D video at low rpm and I cant complain, wc will upload video this evening yes it flies super nice. Keep in mind if you're not all into the new body styles
just wait for the parts to come out then upgrade your b oom and blade and your good I am doing it right now with my
450 plus using the after market parts.

The dominator is the real deal no joke, I was having gain problem I have set vbar gain to 8 to slow the wag.
wc will upload video. And guy s please dont talk no SHT Its my
1st flight on it and stuff need adjustment.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-05-2013 01:27 AM  5 years agoPost 40
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Watch at YouTube

Insha Allah made in america

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