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09-06-2013 11:51 PM  4 years agoPost 161
Dennis (RIP)

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You don't make much sense copy and pasting nonsense you don't know anything about..
Speaking for myself, I can tolerate an atheist.

As long as they are not as much of an azzhole as you are.

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09-07-2013 12:16 AM  4 years agoPost 162
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Other phenomena in our world cannot be compared to God. Not even close. God is not a phenomena.
So it's not real, in other words?
Its just a fact that you have no practical experience in that area. Certainly not on any level that I have seen.
How does one obtain practical expertise in something that's "not a phenomena"? Is your god real or not?

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09-07-2013 12:44 AM  4 years agoPost 163
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How does one obtain practical expertise in something that's "not a phenomena"? Is your god real or not?
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My God is real because I have faith that he is.

Go find your own faith.

Your choice.

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09-07-2013 12:52 AM  4 years agoPost 164
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My God is real because I have faith that he is.
In other words it's _not_ real - it's just an idea in your head you call "faith" (just like fairy tales you heard and believed as a child)?

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09-07-2013 01:10 AM  4 years agoPost 165
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In other words it's _not_ real - it's just an idea in your head you call "faith" (just like fairy tales you heard and believed as a child)?
I am a 67 year old adult. Not a child.

See, I told ya. If you have no knowledge of faith and/or no practical experience of faith, then you have no basis for an opinion about it.

That is unless you are just a dumb jerk head.

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09-07-2013 01:16 AM  4 years agoPost 166
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I am a 67 year old adult. Not a child.
Then you should know the difference between reality and fantasy by now, shouldn't you? It seems like you don't though. "your" god is just a "faith" based fantasy in your head. That's what "real to me" means (as opposed to "real" period).
See, I told ya. If you have no knowledge of faith and/or no practical experience of faith
You can't get "practical experience" in something that's not "practical" like a fantasy of a god in someone else's head. That's like being an expert in magical flying elfs.

Again, is your god real or not? Do you know the difference?

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09-07-2013 01:25 AM  4 years agoPost 167
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Then you should know the difference between reality and fantasy by now, shouldn't you? It seems like you don't though. "your" god is just a "faith" based fantasy in your head. That's what "real to me" mean (as opposed to "real" period).
Fine, think what you wish.
You can't get "practical experience" in something that's not "practical" like a fantasy of a god in someone else's head. That's like being an expert in magical flying elfs.

Again, is your god real or not? Do you know the difference?
Its already been explained to you. Further comment from you just makes you look like a single minded dumb jerk that is intolerant of others and their beliefs.

Quite entertaining.

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09-07-2013 01:33 AM  4 years agoPost 168
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Its already been explained to you.
You only said you believe it and gave no reason why you believe it other than "faith". That can be said of any delusion or fantasy in the mind. You can have "faith" in the magical flying elf and believe that it's "real to me".

Literally, do you understand what I mean when I use the word "real"? Do you know what "real" means?

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09-07-2013 01:37 AM  4 years agoPost 169
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Literally, do you understand what I mean when I use the word "real"? Do you know what "real" means?
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I think I do.

What you are completely missing is the fact that you have no idea what "Real Faith" is.

That's fine. Your choice.

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09-07-2013 01:43 AM  4 years agoPost 170
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09-07-2013 01:44 AM  4 years agoPost 171
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I think I do.
I think you don't; you can't tell me whether your god is real or not. You say "real to me" in the way kids talk about their imaginary friends before they understand the idea of reality.
What you are completely missing is the fact that you have no idea what "Real Faith" is.
Faith is not truth or a path to truth ("real faith" is a contradiction in terms). Truth is what I'm wondering whether you have a grasp of here. It sounds like you're missing something very basic here....

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09-07-2013 01:52 AM  4 years agoPost 172
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I think you don't
Fine. I told you. Think what you wish.
Faith is not truth or a path to truth.
It most certainly can be.

But, its not if you don't wish to make that choice.
Truth is what I'm wondering whether you have a grasp of here. It sounds like you're missing something very basic here....
I am missing nothing.

You are clearly missing some critical brain cells.

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09-07-2013 02:00 AM  4 years agoPost 173
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It most certainly can be.
But there's a much better way - believing in real things as opposed to unreal things.
I am missing nothing.
You haven't shown that you even know the difference between "real" and not "real". You're confusing the two by claiming your god is "real to you" by means of "real faith" - psychiatrists have a term for that...

You jump back into threads you'd previously apparently washed your hands of with this nonsense, I question you on it and you immediately begin to whine about your faith rather than giving straight answers to the questions put to you.

Are you really 67? You sure don't act like it.

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09-07-2013 02:02 AM  4 years agoPost 174
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I do not claim to have knowledge that your god does _not_ exist, that is correct. It _might_ exist (tho I suspect strongly that it does not) or it might not, but I don't _know_ that it does not exist.
Indeed, while we cannot know that any specific God does not exist, we can arrive at logical conclusions as to the likelihood that they do.

There are the obvious questions such as, how are we supposed to know which, if any, religious book is true? As many religions claim to be the one true religion, we cannot go by what religious books themselves say, when deciding whether they are true or not. And what evidence is there that indicates that any one religious book is any more likely to be true than any other one? Nothing that I can see.

Or, why would a God even have created mankind in the first place, in full knowledge that some would end up being tortured for eternity?

Would a Christian breed dogs, if he knew for sure that some of them would be tortured for their entire lives, never mind eternity? Would that be worth it just so that he could have some dogs that don't get tortured, or would he not bother breeding dogs in the first place?

Unless Christians would choose, if they had the choice, to send all non-Christians to eternal torture, for not believing that the Bible is true, then they have more compassion than they attribute to the God they believe in.

Of course, these are arguments that Christians would refuse to address directly, even though they would also not agree that they have more compassion than they attribute to the God they believe in.

But from the perspective of those of us who will address these questions directly, they are good reason alone, to conclude that the God that Christians believe in is most unlikely to exist.

Dusty

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09-07-2013 02:09 AM  4 years agoPost 175
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I question you on it and you immediately begin to whine about your faith rather than giving straight answers to the questions put to you.
Who's whining?

Seems like you are.

You don't like my faith in God no matter how its explained to you, in spite of any respect I have given you for your views of the opposite. I call that whining.

Tough sh#t pal.

Go have Mommy make you a batch of cookies. You'll feel better.

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09-07-2013 02:11 AM  4 years agoPost 176
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But from the perspective of those of us who will address these questions directly, they are good reason alone, to conclude that the God that Christians believe in is most unlikely to exist.
Which God, in your mind, is the one most likely to exist?

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09-07-2013 02:19 AM  4 years agoPost 177
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Indeed, while we cannot know that any specific God does not exist, we can arrive at logical conclusions as to the likelihood that they do.
True, and that's why, as house said, there are varying levels to which atheists approach the "strong" position. We can actually assign probabilities of truth value to claims as-is, even before they've been demonstrated.

The primary diagnostic is the nature of the claim being made - specifically, how similar or different it is from what we've already learned about the natural world. In this way, all claims to knowledge that are unsubstantiated are _not_ equivalent. Basically, the more the claim resembles phenomena we've already discovered or observed, the higher the chances that it could be true, and the more seriously we can take it as a candidate for investigation. OTOH, the more unlike what we already know about our world the claim is, the lower the chances are that it's actually going to turn up true (and the less likely we are to take it seriously).

For example:
"life exists on other planets/solar systems"
"the Christian god exists in all its biblical characteristics"

One of these things is not like the other . Regarding the first claim, we already have an example of life in hand; that increases the chances that life could have developed elsewhere. And it's reasonable to look elsewhere for it; we have both an example to rely on and to guide us in what to look for.

As for the second claim, as we've seen through the ages, nothing like the Christian god has ever been observed or detected in any way, or found to be behind any process or anything at all in our world so far. In fact, the supernatural in general has never been demonstrated in any way, shape or form. This (greatly) reduces the probability that it's going to turn up true. In fact, the real information we have about it currently is utterly zero, so it's arguably not even worth pursuing as a hypothesis.

As Dennis reminds us, the Christian god can't defined in any way and there's no possible way to detect it at all. So, it can't be examined or scrutinized in any way. Because of that, we can't investigate it and can simply dismiss it as most likely just a fantasy of its plaintiff and not pursue it further.

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09-07-2013 02:22 AM  4 years agoPost 178
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You don't like my faith in God no matter how its explained to you,
Where did I say I "disliked" your faith in your god? I've only said I don't believe your god exists despite your protestations to the contrary. I now suspect you couldn't recognize it as real even if it was real. So your situation strikes me as worse than I originally thought.

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09-07-2013 03:04 AM  4 years agoPost 179
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So your situation strikes me as worse than I originally thought.
On well. If you have a problem with my situation, then it's your problem.

Not mine.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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09-07-2013 03:07 AM  4 years agoPost 180
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I am a 67 year old adult. Not a child.
Your a very old bitter individual who expresses this quite clearly in these forums, and yes you do persistently act "child like".

Its why you remain on my ignore list.

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