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09-05-2013 11:56 PM  5 years agoPost 121
Dennis (RIP)

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There must be something in the power of mankind's free will that makes a little tird like outhouse to determine that everyone has to make the same choices as he has made.

Nah. .............

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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09-06-2013 12:13 AM  5 years agoPost 122
Thomas L Erb

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Nah. .............
Oh but there isssss ,it's called "SELF"

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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09-06-2013 02:31 AM  5 years agoPost 123
GREYEAGLE

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Maybe never to be: STILL

Their are now legion's of them

How did they ever loose the song of the soul ??

Most of the public has absolutely no clue of the other side - one of the area's I TRULY /Verily wish would go bankrupt or flat busted.

The out of sight / the unadvised : Never EVER > Doubt: None are abandoned EVER to fight alone. It's a will of the Heart.

Good New's : A 3yr old { Neu Neu } is tearing the wall's off - AGAIN
Little bugger: """"Sincere"""" " a sincere MONSTER "

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09-06-2013 12:50 PM  5 years agoPost 124
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I take note above that what I have placed in red is popycock at the least. We humans choose to do what we do every day by our own free will!!!!!
Thomas, the operative word is ''believe,'' not ''do.''

So, your statement should read:

''we humans choose to believe every day by our own free will.''

You know, just like one day you could choose to believe that your God doesn't really exist and the Bible isn't true, and that some other God such as the Hindu God Brahma is the one and only God that created the universe, and that the Hindu scriptures are true.

Then the next day, you could choose to believe that Brahma doesn't really exist and that the Hindu scriptures are not true, and that one of the other many gods that people have believed in is the one and only God that created the universe, and that their related scripture is true.

So, how many gods have you chosen to believe in, throughout your life, so far?

When was the last time you chose to believe that the Bible is not true?

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09-06-2013 01:18 PM  5 years agoPost 125
unclejane

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So, how many gods have you chosen to believe in, throughout your life, so far?
When was the last time you chose to believe that the Bible is not true?
Exactly. In fact, if you do find yourself "choosing to believe" things, you're believing those things for bad reasons. No reasons, in fact - you don't care whether your beliefs are true or not; you're simply accepting as true whatever notions happen to float into your mind or whatever some idiot preacher told you to believe, and rejecting the other inconvenient ones. That's how faith works, but not how truth works.

This is how theists wriggle out of ever having to justify anything they assert. They just simply suddenly say something else and never answer your original question.

That's how these threads go on and on forever:
- theist: "my god exists"
- atheist: "prove it"
- theist: <fallacy, insult, insert very large bold text, move of goalposts>

The "free will" argument, BTW, is very old, was shot down over enemy territory long ago and was never recovered. But theists still trot it out thinking _this time_ they'll accept it

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09-06-2013 01:54 PM  5 years agoPost 126
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Not really- his "scholarship" on New Testament (or Bible in general) comes from sources roundly understood to be fringe. I don't claim full expertise- but I am not ignorant nor uneducated.
Perhaps, but your expertise certainly isn't in atheism, since you don't seem to understand the position at all. That's really a prerequisite to trying to oppose it. In any argument, you have to have some understanding of your opponent's position and proposals in order to argue against them.

That's the most common problem I have found among theists, actually. When they say things like science is faith-based, that's an automatic indicator that they don't understand the difference between faith and truth. And 99% of the time they don't understand the atheist position either....

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09-06-2013 03:02 PM  5 years agoPost 127
Hoggy42

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This one is easy no it's not.

Lets start with the easy ones
Adam & Eve never happened (Scientific proof)
Global flood Noahs Ark never happened it's impossible (your stupid if you think it happened)

I could just go on and on about all the things that are not true in there. And aren't you glad it's not true.

Watch at YouTube

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09-06-2013 03:13 PM  5 years agoPost 128
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Funney as a Crutch
Now the trick is to provide EVIDENCE of the Spirit and We can do that since we all pull in the same direction.

KInda think of it as "running back in forth of the Monkey Cage dragging a stick across -- it - rattling it with a stick" :

Get them all excited Jumping and singing it's been great so far

The trick IS : To Let EVERY ONE ELSE see It : When (they) jump up and down and start swinging around in their - tossing dirt ball's.
:EVIDENCE

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09-06-2013 04:40 PM  5 years agoPost 129
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uj,
I've never said science is faith-based, but rather that some constructs that claim to be scientifically grounded are in fact based on faith rather than sound conclusions from scientific inquiry. But that's a topic for a different thread.

Neither should you assume I don't know anything about "the other side" wrt Atheism. You disagree that there is an atheistic world view. I haven't had the chance but will flesh out my view on this. I am sure it can be debated for many days to come. My point in bringing that up is to refute the idea that all evils in the world stem from religious beliefs. Unless you want to call Atheism a religion, which it is of sorts.

I've been studying up on the Socrates question as well-very interesting. Perhaps a false choice- there is a third option.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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09-06-2013 04:47 PM  5 years agoPost 130
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You disagree that there is an atheistic world view. I haven't had the chance but will flesh out my view on this.
For the meantime, can you cite any book or other source that you think either atheists get this alleged worldview from, or a source that reflects it?
Unless you want to call Atheism a religion, which it is of sorts.
Sure, just like not playing baseball is a game, and bald is a hair colour.

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09-06-2013 06:29 PM  5 years agoPost 131
unclejane

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I've never said science is faith-based, but rather that some constructs that claim to be scientifically grounded are in fact based on faith rather than sound conclusions from scientific inquiry. But that's a topic for a different thread.
Ok. If you start that thread, tho, you'll need to specify what those "constructs" are and why they're faith-based.
Neither should you assume I don't know anything about "the other side" wrt Atheism. You disagree that there is an atheistic world view. I haven't had the chance but will flesh out my view on this. I am sure it can be debated for many days to come.
If you think there's such a thing as an "atheistic world view", that automatically demonstrates that you don't understand the atheist position (by definition). I've already rejected your original formulation so if your next view is the same, it won't be acceptable either - did you read the link I sent you about this?
My point in bringing that up is to refute the idea that all evils in the world stem from religious beliefs.
Nobody is asserting that all evils in the world stem from religious beliefs.
Unless you want to call Atheism a religion, which it is of sorts.
Wrong. You're still laboring under false ideas. Atheism is not a religion or belief system. You need to read the link I sent you on "atheism 101".

PS: to save you time and me a bunch of redundant typing, here's a direct link to the same site that answers this specific charge:
http://atheism.about.com/od/definit...ismReligion.htm
I've been studying up on the Socrates question as well-very interesting. Perhaps a false choice- there is a third option.
Yes, third options have been proposed for the last 2500 years and no one's been able to make any of them persuasive.

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09-06-2013 07:03 PM  5 years agoPost 132
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My point in bringing that up is to refute the idea that all evils in the world stem from religious beliefs
Matt, your correct here.

All evil does not stem from religious belief

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09-06-2013 08:01 PM  5 years agoPost 133
helimatt

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If you think there's such a thing as an "atheistic world view", that automatically demonstrates that you don't understand the atheist position (by definition).
So you don't believe that "a-theism", or belief that there is no god, affects the way you formulate viewpoints, your understanding of the world, relationships, society, our purpose or the purpose of mankind?

And yes, belief that there is no god is a FAITH of the most blind, because there is and can be no proof of god's non-existence.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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09-06-2013 08:13 PM  5 years agoPost 134
unclejane

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So you don't believe that "a-theism", or belief that there is no god,
K, since you didn't read the link I provided, I'll just pound it out for you....

Atheism is not the "belief that there is no god". Atheism is only the lack of theism and that's it - "a" plus "theism" equals non theism - the lack of belief in the claim by theists that their god exists. It makes no claims about god; it is simply the state of not believing the theist claim that there is one.
affects the way you formulate viewpoints, your understanding of the world, relationships, society, our purpose or the purpose of mankind?
A state of non-belief in an unsubstantiated claim does not inform a worldview. In the same way that, say, your non-belief in Islam has no effect on your worldview. Your WV is only affected by what you _do_ believe and know.
And yes, belief that there is no god is a FAITH of the most blind, because there is and can be no proof of god's non-existence.
That is not a description of atheism, see above. That would describe someone who _does_ make the claim that no gods exist with assurance, but that's not a necessary condition of atheism. I, for example, don't make that claim with assurance.

LS

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09-06-2013 08:24 PM  5 years agoPost 135
Wayne Parrish

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Let me ask you this. Had you not rather "beleve" that there is a God and accept him as your savior and get to Heavens Gates and find that it IS true ,than to get there and have never accepted Christ as your savior and find out IT WAS TRUE ? I for one will go there saved and believe the word he has left for us to prepare with . Wayne

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09-06-2013 08:28 PM  5 years agoPost 136
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Wayne

Do you know how jesus became divine?

300 years after his death, a Roman emperor told the bishops that had better become united in their belief and forced them to vote for the father and son being of the same substance.

It was a dang court hearing that decided what you today believe.

jesus was always considered divine, but bishops argued for hundreds of years on his relationship to the god concept.

Jesus was a Galilean, I can live and die with that knowledge.

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09-06-2013 08:33 PM  5 years agoPost 137
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And yes, belief that there is no god is a FAITH of the most blind, because there is and can be no proof of god's non-existence.
Do you gargle that horn swoggle?

You cannot prove yellow ducky did not create the earth so he must have!!!

And there is proof. Man to date has created all of the thousands of deities ever created. Man factually wrote the mythology in all religious books to date. No deity has ever written a single word.

The only difference between you and me is, you discount all the thousands of gods I do, less 1.

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09-06-2013 08:36 PM  5 years agoPost 138
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Let me ask you this. Had you not rather "beleve" that there is a God and accept him as your savior and get to Heavens Gates and find that it IS true ,than to get there and have never accepted Christ as your savior and find out IT WAS TRUE ?
What if _you're_ wrong? What if Allah was actually the real god and you believed the wrong one your entire life? Then you'd go to hell for not believing in Allah and believing a lie the entire time....

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09-06-2013 09:25 PM  5 years agoPost 139
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You're certainly able to believe what you want,as I am also. I will believe as I wish and will be thru with this forum as I don't need to see my faith badgered by anyone . I am not trying to force anything on anyone so we'll just leave it at that.Thanks for the space. Wayne

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09-06-2013 09:27 PM  5 years agoPost 140
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"a" plus "theism" equals non theism - the lack of belief in the claim by theists that their god exists. It makes no claims about god;
You realize that this, as written, is nonsensical? How is saying that "the lack of believe in the claim by theists" not making making a claim about god? I might say "God exists!" and you might say "I don't believe your claim!" Are you therefore not making a statement which is, though indirectly, a claim about god?

Look, plainly, if someone says they are an atheist, then they are making the claim that there is no god.
Or that it is not worth considering whether there is a god and they will practically conduct their lives as if the claim "there is no god" is true.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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