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09-05-2013 10:44 AM  4 years agoPost 81
Dusty1000

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Only a fool in his own heart says there is no God.
Is anyone here saying that there is no God?

What sort of God or gods might exist is another matter entirely. While I personally think it's an interesting question to ponder, that is not what is being discussed here.

The question here is whether or not a particular God exists. Specifically, the God described in the Bible, and more specifically, the God described in the New Testament.

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09-05-2013 11:12 AM  4 years agoPost 82
unclejane

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You can not convince an atheist to believe in God (Jesus).
Have you ever thought about that? Do you have that same difficulty with other matters of belief? For example, convincing someone who thinks the earth is flat that it's actually round. Or that colds and flus are caused by viruses and not evil spirits.

Would you say it's impossible to convince non-believers in the round earth or the germ theory of disease of the errors of their beliefs? Why or why not?

So why the impossibility of convincing anyone to believe in your god? Doesn't that strike you as odd in any way?
You can only live by example and God (Jesus) will do the rest .
How do you know god/jesus is "doing the rest", whatever "the rest" is? And that it can't be anything else?

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09-05-2013 11:31 AM  4 years agoPost 83
Thomas L Erb

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One even said he thought we (Christians) should all be shot.
It tends to be the other way around. And with you guys practically owning our government these days, we have to keep pushing back and keeping the evil visible..
Time for you to take a serious look around you dude.Really?

Christians are being killed left and right around the world because of their faith. No were on this planet are are Christians mobilizing to attack and kill people just because of their religion. Hmmmm I wonder why?

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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09-05-2013 11:45 AM  4 years agoPost 84
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Time for you to take a serious look around you dude.Really?
Christians are being killed left and right around the world because of their faith. No were on this planet are are Christians mobilizing to attack and kill people just because of their religion. Hmmmm I wonder why?
Have you ever studied history? How have atheists fared in the past when Christians had the political upper hand? How has _anyone_ else fared under Christian rule for that matter? Looking at current events, what do you think is stopping history from repeating itself? The love of Christians towards non-Christians? What does history teach us here?

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09-05-2013 01:48 PM  4 years agoPost 85
helimatt

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unclejean,
History shows us clearly that man is capable of evil and great error. We are a race that has corrupted itself deeply. Atheist ideology (and deeply corrupted "Christianity" which is not Christ at all). Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, yes Salem witch trials, others.

Man is responsible for injustice at a grand scale. The message of the Christ-follower is that He came to suffer, be humiliated, anguish, and die to take the punishment and serve justice for our sin.

BTW, show us where Christians today are saying all athheists should be shot... if anyone is saying that, they are not of Christ.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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09-05-2013 02:09 PM  4 years agoPost 86
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History shows us clearly that man is capable of evil and great error. We are a race that has corrupted itself deeply. Atheist ideology (and deeply corrupted "Christianity" which is not Christ at all). Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung, yes Salem witch trials, others.
And that excuses Christianity for its crusades and other horrors how? And your god for overseeing such a world how, exactly? Why would "His" failure be our fault again? Missed those in Sunday school...
BTW, show us where Christians today are saying all athheists should be shot... if anyone is saying that, they are not of Christ.
Well no one seems to agree who is "of Christ" and who isn't. So any example is simply dismissed as "not of Christ". As I said, our prospects under Christian domination have never been good without the force of law and govt to protect us (eg. The Bill of Rights). So naturally we're concerned about handing you guys over control of our govt. Innocence can turn sinister there very quickly as history has shown us.

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09-05-2013 02:22 PM  4 years agoPost 87
es1co2bar3

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I can tell you all theist are miserable and broke for without GOD your nothing,
they have no blessing, they ommit the world of sin, they're sinogugu of satan
satan was on a quest to tell mankind there's no G@D theist are satan recruit.
they're here to distract us, when we sit and listen to them, then somehow we
Start wondering , and the most high dont want that.

that why he say ' if the eye as causing you to sin you need dig it out, for what
your eyes dont see no heart wont leap, '

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-05-2013 02:27 PM  4 years agoPost 88
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that why he say ' if the eye as causing you to sin you need dig it out, for what
your eyes dont see no heart will leap, '
At least we're smart enough not to dig our own eyes out with a fork...

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09-05-2013 02:32 PM  4 years agoPost 89
GREYEAGLE

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Essentially is it Now Correct ? Have The Athisist's Taken Command ??: THE EFFECT
Christianity is a Philosophy : It IS NOT a political party.

Never do you see them Slaughtering each other - If they are TRUE
We do not war on each other do to sub-til difference because they KNOW the Focus. Never between Denomination's

What also is NOT seen { With Intention } are the Rescue Mission's: Under the Sun and in the dark shadow's or wet damp basement.

Operating literally 3 ft from HELL and doing it with absolute heart felt pleasure. Practicing BENEVOLENCE: To Help or Save

It could be digging a sewage canal by hand in HATI -A Mosquito Net in Somalia, setting up tent cities in Jordon, distribution of school supplies and back pack's. Vaccines for every Fungus among us Like AId to Measles. Floating Hospital's, Feeding , providing warmth and water and food every where it is needed. Even wiping the blood and goo off a wall after a bomb. No - Charge

Complete free from the political arena : With direct intention -NEVER LOOKING for the Thank YOU

A week does not go by when the FAMILY : Does not touch the others needing some form benevolence and they do not even know it or recognize it -which is absolutely they way it should be - never looking for recognition or awareness.

The LIST CAN FILL Libraries : Distribution of LOVE : Correction and Re-Proof & Teaching of the Philosophy.

For every thing their is a season " TIME " where is it going?
Calamity and Tragity: Curiosity about the future has scattered many away.

We focus on the future - to plan ahead - to be prepared. Not to chase the wind and mix destruction of self with confusion.

For every thing their is a purpose

A animal will never worry about it's tomorrow : Not even Food or Water. Only Human's Will . Unless they are confused and scattered chasing the wind.

Complete : : LOSS OF FOCUS : Just who or what as caused it - and is like a catalyst driving it. The Scream of the LOUDEST

He will be Faithful even to the Un Faithful : Some Just wait a very long time = IF : and also be VERY AWARE the Promises ARE NOT CONDITIONAL

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09-05-2013 02:44 PM  4 years agoPost 90
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there go the infinite number of monkeys banging on their infinite number of typewriters again...

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09-05-2013 02:45 PM  4 years agoPost 91
es1co2bar3

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At least we're smart enough not to dig our own eyes out with a fork..
yea right" you need it so you can sway all Christian you can overcome with
your fanatic idealistic beliefs.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-05-2013 02:58 PM  4 years agoPost 92
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Sorry : Jane

But the MAD ANGRY Boney Monkey Fingers' actually belongs too some one else who intentionally tries to drive the Wedge of Separation with Intention for the weak

Wrong Identifier of Ownership :
He is digging looking for it and will never find it.

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09-05-2013 03:21 PM  4 years agoPost 93
helimatt

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And that excuses Christianity for its crusades and other horrors how?
It does not excuse evil done in the name of Christ. Such things must be uncovered and repented for. I do not condone the Crusades etc. I don't condone Salem witch trials. This behavior is completely inconsistent with Jesus' teachings for His church.

Unfortunately, the acts of Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, the mental collapse of Nietzsche, are all completely consistent within an Atheist world view. The logical conclusion is nihilism; coupled with power this results in untold capacity for cruelity and cold hearted mass murder.
And your god for overseeing such a world how, exactly? Why would "His" failure be our fault again?
Two things here- you are right to see that the world is deeply broken, corrupt, and all kinds of evil are done by men to one-another. That should disturb any sensitive human being.

I'm not certain I understand what you mean by "His failure". Do you believe that God should put an end to all evil, if in fact He is God?

That is a very important question- but the existence of evil is not evidence for God's impotence or non-existence. The question should be, could He have sufficient and morally perfect reason to allow evil to continue at this time? Do you want to honestly delve into that question?

The scriptures clearly indicate that He has set a date to "right every wrong" and judge all for their works, whether good or evil. And that judgement is promised through the One that God has appointed.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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09-05-2013 04:10 PM  4 years agoPost 94
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Unfortunately, the acts of Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, the mental collapse of Nietzsche, are all completely consistent within an Atheist world view.
Explain:
- What is the "atheist world view"?
- If there is such a thing, how does it lead to nihilism, cruelty and cold-hearted mass murder?
I'm not certain I understand what you mean by "His failure". Do you believe that God should put an end to all evil, if in fact He is God?
That is a very important question- but the existence of evil is not evidence for God's impotence or non-existence. The question should be, could He have sufficient and morally perfect reason to allow evil to continue at this time? Do you want to honestly delve into that question?
Socrates actually dealt with this very question back in ancient Greece almost 500 years before the bible was even written. Are you familiar with the "Euthyphro Dilemma"? If not, google it and read it; it is the first scholarly discussion on the "Problem of Evil". We can go from there, if you like.

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09-05-2013 04:16 PM  4 years agoPost 95
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NOPE :

da Nada /Uh A

No 90 degree right turn's or even 180 's

Not OUR JOB

Maybe find the answer in the Evolution thread

Wiki Pedia IT

Intellectual Property

We don;t LIKE No Camera Phones Allowed

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09-05-2013 04:29 PM  4 years agoPost 96
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Eagle, your smiley keys are stuck again...

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09-05-2013 04:40 PM  4 years agoPost 97
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My Smiley Key's Stuck : THEY are Permanent ! I get up smiling and go to sleep smiling.

I'm driven by the smile

Why leaving em Hungry for more is such a pleasure

Num /Num/ Num = Yummy

It's a CONTAGION : Don't get none on ya

I'm on a roll : Her's a song for you Jane

{ If your Happy and you Know IT ! } ---- Clap your Hand's

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09-05-2013 05:06 PM  4 years agoPost 98
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Socrates, eh? no I've not read the treatise you mentioned but I will look into it.

Many or most books of the bible were written long before Socrates was alive, by the way (the Old Testament, or Jewish scriptures). And there is no record that he wrote anything. So it's funny though that you'd so easily ascribe wisdom to Socrates:
As Socrates did not write philosophical texts, the knowledge of the man, his life, and his philosophy is entirely based on writings by his students and contemporaries....The difficulty of finding the “real” Socrates arises because these works are often philosophical or dramatic texts rather than straightforward histories. Aside from Thucydides (who makes no mention of Socrates or philosophers in general) and Xenophon, there are in fact no straightforward histories contemporary with Socrates that dealt with his own time and place.
- Wiki

Do we even know that the man existed, or taught what his "followers" say he did?

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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09-05-2013 05:19 PM  4 years agoPost 99
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Socrates, eh? no I've not read the treatise you mentioned but I will look into it.
Google it for more modern renditions, you don't necessarily have to read Euthyphro (Plato) itself to get the idea of it.

And you still haven't answered my previous questions about the "atheist world view".
Many or most books of the bible were written long before Socrates was alive, by the way (the Old Testament, or Jewish scriptures). And there is no record that he wrote anything. So it's funny though that you'd so easily ascribe wisdom to Socrates
See? Now evidence is important to you all of a sudden and a valid tool for argument when it's _not_ your pet religion...

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09-05-2013 05:27 PM  4 years agoPost 100
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Not true at all- evidence is supremely important! There is much greater depth for evidence of Jesus' life, teachings, miracles, deeds, than for Socrates! That's what I'm getting at.

So the wisdom of Socrates offered up as a baseline to discuss the problem of evil is interesting, vis-a-vis the topic at hand.

Atheistic world view- in my words- "there is no, or most likely there is no God, so man is free to set our morals and measure right and wrong on a purely humanistic framework." That framaework will be somewhat arbitrary and most commonly corrupted.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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