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09-04-2013 04:58 PM  4 years agoPost 61
unclejane

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Google search " why I believe " by Chip Ingrim.

It will answer very well a lot of questions truthfully of why we believe without negativeness or the drama. It has a segment that particularly hits on the Bible itself and facts about it. I think its a buck or two to download and may be free to listen too. It is worth listening to.
Sorry, but this is just another rendition of "I believe just because" but disguised as a little more reasonable-sounding discussion.

The issue isn't negativity or drama - the issue is believing things that are _true_ or not and whether you _care_ if your beliefs are true or not.
Either what you believe is true or it isn't. It's either real or it isn't. Determining the truth value of your beliefs is a simple matter of evidence (mapping to _reality_), a standard that has been established for ages now and has not changed since. Simple. Not easy, and it takes serious thought, but it's simple.

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09-04-2013 05:19 PM  4 years agoPost 62
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Simple Deniabillity of Evidence : IS Not Faith
Determining the truth value of your beliefs is a simple matter of evidence (mapping to _reality_), a standard that has been established for ages
{ } now and has not changed since. Simple. Not easy, and it takes serious thought, but it's simple
Individual's toss the word { FAITH } freely without the affirmation of the very Fundamental.

Then the "NON" dump's pile's of deni-ability on top of the VEry Basic Prime of the Fundamental

Lead's to the proclivity of the VIOLENCE WE ARE WATCHING TAKE PLACE in the Middle East : We do Not DO that CRAP = Is a SIN a SIN ?? if you cannot see it ?? or you Hide IT ?? From Other's ???? Deni ability

The Very PRIME : of the Fundamental =

IS : EVIDENCE that lead's too {{FAITH}} That is tossed so freely making it for no better word CHEAP !

The Simple matter of EVIDENCE :

The TOMB WAS EMPTY !!!! No - OTHER has Ever DONE IT = The ONE TRUE Not One Other Faith = More Evidence

SO Pile on the Deni abilty or the Devil's advocate.

EVIDENCE " Was it EMPTY or NOT ??

If their would of been a corpse - they would of dragged it all over on display --or provided it for Evidence

All three Said THEY and affirmed They did Not Have IT.
It Drove ALL THREE NUT's for a bit ;
Jew's didn't have it = payed $$$ to keep it silent
Roman's Didn't have it - Do It - or swipe it. { or be- beheaded }
The Boy's and Girls' didn't have it either

Until Simple =Observation & Deduction of Evidence

NO ONE - Had the Corpse - Then FLOWED Deni-ability

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09-04-2013 05:38 PM  4 years agoPost 63
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Eagle, that's the most awsome completely unintelligible paragraph I've ever seen....

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09-04-2013 07:31 PM  4 years agoPost 64
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No kidding idiotic word salad.

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09-04-2013 10:55 PM  4 years agoPost 65
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I think I understood this part:
The TOMB WAS EMPTY !!!! No - OTHER has Ever DONE IT = The ONE TRUE Not One Other Faith = More Evidence
Grey, the only evidence that ''the tomb was empty'' is the Bible.

The only evidence that anyone whosoever saw that the tomb was empty, is the Bible.

There is no evidence that the tomb was empty, except the Bible.

The Bible is the only evidence there is, that the tomb was empty.

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But, there is NO evidence that what the Bible says about the tomb is true.

Therefore, what the Bible says is NOT evidence.

Comprende?

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09-04-2013 11:03 PM  4 years agoPost 66
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But, there is NO evidence that what the Bible says about the tomb is true.
Therefore, what the Bible says is NOT evidence.
Depends on your faith.

Comprende?

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09-04-2013 11:08 PM  4 years agoPost 67
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I think I understood this part:
I dunno, I think that was the most smileys and brackets in the most combinations ever put into one post in the history of mankind.

An infinite number of monkeys banging on an infinite number of typewriters for an infinite amount of time will indeed eventually reproduce The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire... but before they get there.... they'll produce Eagle's post above....

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09-04-2013 11:31 PM  4 years agoPost 68
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Depends on your faith.
Either something is evidence, or it isn't.

Evidence does not depend on faith.

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09-04-2013 11:43 PM  4 years agoPost 69
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Some body should have a corpse or some bone's

WHo ran off with the corpse and didn't get caught ? It would have been a UBER Political Prize to display. For Jew's and Roma
Evidence

NOT the So claimed Messiah SEE - It Stinky Evidence

Who of the period is going to break a Roma Seal, Official : Seal

From the Procreate of Roma ??? on the tomb ? Evidence

Would the official Rome Centurion Military guard's have let them ??

A seal of Rome Evidence ?

Find two Military Centurion's stationed from the GOV on duty, to protect it. Around the clock - from Tamper or Theft. Evidence

Who would - suffer instant punishment - decapitation for insubordination. By their failure to follow Military order's.

Who is going to allow some one to roll that rock

Two GIRL's ???

Then the "NON" dump's pile's of deni-ability on top of the VEry Basic Prime of the Fundamental
Would have been Hilarious to be their

Where did that rascal go - NOW !!!!

Did the talk - then did the walk : " They are Still HOT "

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09-05-2013 12:17 AM  4 years agoPost 70
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Either something is evidence, or it isn't.

Evidence does not depend on faith.
Faith itself is its own evidence.

Obviously you do not agree with that.

You don't have to.

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09-05-2013 12:39 AM  4 years agoPost 71
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Faith itself is its own evidence.
Obviously you do not agree with that.
You don't have to.
That's just simply wrong; it's not a matter of disagreement. That's just stupid. Many have tried to tell you this and you can't seem to understand it, so you should probably just stop reading here (you've already been told all this already).

But I'll go over it for the benefit of others who may be a little brighter.

The issue is, that one simply _believes_ something to be true does not _make_ that thing true. "true" does not mean simply some idea in your mind; something is "true" only if it corresponds in some way to reality. That means it's based on what we call "evidence" - something in the real world that impinges on one or more of the 5 senses that allows either direct observation or inference that it manifests in the real world in some way.

For example, the statements.

"I believe magical elves exist"
"I believe the Christian god exists"

and

"I believe the world is flat"
"I believe the world is round"

are _completely_ different with respect to truth value. The latter two statements have truth values that can be assigned based on evidence (the "flat" belief is false because we can demonstrate that the world is round. Thus, the "round" belief is true).

However the former two statements have an _indeterminate_ truth value - there's no basis in reality for either claim, so we can't say either one is true or false. So, they're not acceptable as "truths" from the start. We simply withold belief in them until such time as evidence is produced to support them.

Again, this has _nothing to do with whether you believe it or not_; we're only talking about truth value.

Finally, remember our definition of "evidence" - evidence is not simply anything you can make up or imagine in your mind. Evidence is something _real_ that supports the claim being made.

If anyone is interested in further research on this topic, google the "correspondence theory of truth", a very well-established topic in philosophy and epistemology. Here's one good link on the subject:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-correspondence/

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09-05-2013 12:43 AM  4 years agoPost 72
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That's just simply wrong; it's not a matter of disagreement. That's just stupid.
Think what you wish of it.

Thats the way it is.

You don't have to like it or even agree with it.
Many have tried to tell you this and you can't seem to understand it, so you should probably just stop reading here (you've already been told all this already).
You are more than welcome to stick that where the sun no longer shines.

Or, please take a very, very long walk off a very, very short pier.

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09-05-2013 01:38 AM  4 years agoPost 73
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Think what you wish of it.
Thats the way it is.
Yeah, stupid is what it is.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it.
Well, hopefully some of the brighter bulbs on the xmas tree will get something out of it, so I went to the trouble of explaining it again. I've seen it happen..

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09-05-2013 02:26 AM  4 years agoPost 74
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Yeah, stupid is what it is.
Thats what I expect from rude, thick headed, nasty, intolerant, jerk off's like you and the rest of the atheists here.

You guys deliver it all day.

Thats Ok.

You are entitled to look as stupid as you wish.

One even said he thought we (Christians) should all be shot.

Do you also sign onto that kind of attitude?

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09-05-2013 03:11 AM  4 years agoPost 75
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09-05-2013 03:19 AM  4 years agoPost 76
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You can not convince an atheist to believe in God (Jesus). You can only live by example and God (Jesus) will do the rest .

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09-05-2013 04:32 AM  4 years agoPost 77
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Activities in the Middle East over the last Couple of centuries is plenty :

Evidence of a Race that Slaughter's it's very own People - then migrates to Other area's doing the exact same. Boston's - Fort hood & still breaking out like the measles. Most likely starving also do to the behavior

Not Love No Peace No Grace No Forgiveness No Humility for behavior

We don't do it because of the teaching's of truth - From Jesus

Let's just watch them - Not our JOB - Shameful crying sad - SIN
It's a LESSON - Going the HARD WAY - Only way they learn like so many others. Soon they will be on their Knee's looking up.
Why so many EXITED and in other area's - to get away from the pestilence -yet then to change it back to where it originated

All based on deniably and Evidence They leave behind it in the path of human litter. Their has never been PEACE their { Find One Time Period } ANY = PROOF of EVIDENCE

It's walking right down the written record's

Just as interesting is the drive to erode and consume the Foundation at any cost. More coverage of deni- ability . Didn't take long for the termites to come and eat.

Next we will hear about some old dried out Monkey Finger Bone that's giving us the Mad Monkey Finger of EVOLUTION in the wrong forum.

JUST WATCH THE MIDDLE EAST

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09-05-2013 09:24 AM  4 years agoPost 78
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Faith itself is its own evidence.
Noooo, faith is NOT evidence.

Faith is faith.

Evidence is evidence.

Is the faith of Hindus, ''evidence'' that the Hindu gods are real?

Was the faith of ancient Greeks in Helios, ''evidence'' that Helios pulls the sun across the sky in a chariot?

Of course not.

Faith and evidence are two entirely different things.

It's not a matter of whether you agree.

It's a matter of whether or not you understand.

Dusty

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09-05-2013 10:02 AM  4 years agoPost 79
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Only a fool in his own heart says there is no God.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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09-05-2013 10:28 AM  4 years agoPost 80
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One even said he thought we (Christians) should all be shot.
It tends to be the other way around. And with you guys practically owning our government these days, we have to keep pushing back and keeping the evil visible..
Do you also sign onto that kind of attitude?
What makes you think I want anyone shot?

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