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09-01-2013 01:03 PM  5 years agoPost 21
unclejane

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Explaining faith in God to someone that refuses to understand is like trying to explain true love. It's very personal and you just don't understand it until you've experienced it.
That's just another fancy way of saying your god isn't real or can't do anything on His own at all. If it was real, it would have no problem convincing non-believers. And you guys wouldn't have to do His job for Him all the time....
Really, does this ever occur to you as a problem? Have you ever really thought about this? Do you guys always work this hard for no pay?

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09-01-2013 01:30 PM  5 years agoPost 22
baby uh1

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Is love real? It can be demonstrated but not proven. All I know for sure is what it is to me.
In faith,like Science, I don't need all of it proven and demonstrated to me to accept its tenants, I can believe the word of others and what makes sense to me.
That said, I find it much easier to put faith in a God I've never seen directly than it is to put it into a mankind that I see making errors and doing evil, selfish things daily.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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09-01-2013 02:01 PM  5 years agoPost 23
unclejane

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Is love real? It can be demonstrated but not proven.
Nope. We can observe brain activity associated with love now, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love

and other references cited there. No thanks to your worthless god, of course (but advances in neuroscience and other fields).
All I know for sure is what it is to me.
No, we don't have to take your word for it on love anymore.
In faith,like Science, I don't need all of it proven and demonstrated to me to accept its tenants, I can believe the word of others and what makes sense to me.
In fact, your situation is even worse than that - in faith, you don't need _any_ of it to be real at all. You believe it "just because": because it was spoon-fed to you by your pastor/preacher or some other fool and you don't have the gumption to question it at all. That's the worst trap any mind can ever fall into.
That said, I find it much easier to put faith in a God I've never seen directly than it is to put it into a mankind that I see making errors and doing evil, selfish things daily.
Exactly - faith is easy because it doesn't require you to think about anything you believe. You can accept even the purest nonsense fed to you by any Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along and says he has the answers, without having to ever lift a finger to inform or improve yourself. You only have to read _one_ silly book, not the many that an educated person has to. Your mind never changes and you never have to deal with the realities of life.

Becoming an educated person who believes _real_ things, OTOH, is and always has been a lot of work. But the rewards are real too. Shame you've cut yourself off from that, it's really kind of sad.

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09-01-2013 03:15 PM  5 years agoPost 24
2low

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We are all born with freewill. U can choose to accept him or not, your choice. But you are the one that has to deal with consequences of your choice and you alone. Just my personal opinion . I do not with to force my beliefs on anyone that does not want to hear it.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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09-01-2013 03:21 PM  5 years agoPost 25
unclejane

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We are all born with freewill. U can choose to accept or not, your choice.
Did you know that this question was already being dealt with by Socrates in Greece almost 500 years before the bible was even written? Google the "Euthyphro Dilemma" and read what you find there. The issue is slightly different, but this "free will" silliness you guys always drag out is indirectly addressed there.

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09-01-2013 03:28 PM  5 years agoPost 26
es1co2bar3

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atheists on the board; we haven't been convinced to move even an inch. "He" hasn't lifted so much as a finger to help you guys with anything at all.
It not the job of christian to convince you; 'you have to convinced your self.
we spread the words of G@D, if you not yet know' then you'll have to pray
To him ask him to come into your life. Then you'll have fellowship in christ.
We're not here to convince anyone, he called us fisher of man . He came to
let his father known , and we let those who doesn't know ;'know and it upto
Them to the rest. Uncle jean.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-01-2013 03:42 PM  5 years agoPost 27
unclejane

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It not the job of christian to convince you
Yes it is your job. It's your god and your bible and we're the non-believers. You're the ones making the claim that we should believe what you say, so it's your job to make it convincing.

If I came up to you and said you should believe in my magical Elf on my shoulder, you'd say exactly the same thing to me: "I don't believe you, prove it".

The responsibility is _yours_, not ours. If you don't do that job, or fail in that job, that's _your_ fault, not ours.

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09-01-2013 04:05 PM  5 years agoPost 28
es1co2bar3

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Well you sit there unclejean and think someone is going to come and save your azz from hell by attempting to convince
you to serve the most high JAH.
'Since you are born out of your mom and didn't become an envilede) AKA (sino satan.) Then you have the option to choose between
hell or heaven....'Not a soul is going to held you by the hand and bring you to christ,
if that what your Wanting for '....then keep waiting let see how long you can hold out, and think about that powerful sun
as you do so for that where you'll spend eternity after your
judgment.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-01-2013 05:12 PM  5 years agoPost 29
unclejane

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Well you sit there unclejean and think someone is going to come and save your azz from hell by attempting to convince
you to serve the most high JAH.
'Since you are born out of your mom and didn't become an envilede) AKA (sino satan.) Then you have the option to choose between
hell or heaven....'Not a soul is going to held you by the hand and bring you to christ,
if that what your Wanting for '....then keep waiting let see how long you can hold out, and think about that powerful sun
as you do so for that where you'll spend eternity after your
judgment.
And this makes my point. What you get from the typical Christian when he's asked to carry out his responsibility as a Christian is tantrums and excuses and nothing else.

Meanwhile, no god anywhere to be seen or to come help you make your case even the slightest little bit. That's your fault - you didn't go to even the teeniest effort to question why that is and you still believe it.

That's why we don't believe - you represent your god so badly that we have no choice but not to believe it. And "He" is no help to you. That's also your fault, not ours.

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09-01-2013 06:35 PM  5 years agoPost 30
es1co2bar3

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unclejean
prag·ma·tism
I don't know if you believe in that words, but you might wanna try a step by step approach.
it start with a simple prayer; "Ask the almighty to come into your heart.

I asked you why you think every good thing you see here is so perfect what make you think they happen by chance or a coincident?
you never explain: "why" ?....

The Brains is the most powerful organs in the body you think chances could make that brains so perfect?
c~on bro, your taking {mist ology} to whole new height.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-01-2013 06:57 PM  5 years agoPost 31
unclejane

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I asked you why you think every good thing you see here is so perfect what make you think they happen by chance or a coincident?
No, _you're_ the one who thinks everything here is "perfect" and "happened by chance or a coincident". _I_ never said that, _you_ did. What makes you think everything is perfect? Or "happen by chance or a coincident"?
you never explain: "why" ?....
Because I'm not making those claims, _you_ are. So the burden of proof is on _you_ to support those claims.
The Brains is the most powerful organs in the body you think chances cold make that brains so perfect?
What makes you think "the Brains" is "so perfect"?

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09-01-2013 11:24 PM  5 years agoPost 32
junkpilot

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God?
Is Helicopter referring to all Gods? One God? Or just some of the gods! One needs to sort this stuff out before anybody reveals oneself. I want to know whom I am seeing (I will be able to see this entity won't I?)! I am not real religion oriented but Oh! The Nascar race is starting! I gotta go.
Junkpilot

When you fly JUNK it's hard to tell when you've crashed!

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09-01-2013 11:33 PM  5 years agoPost 33
Dennis (RIP)

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What makes you think "the Brains" is "so perfect"?
So far that we have discovered, the human brain is the single most complex mechanism in the entire universe.

No other mechanism in the entire universe has been known to design, fabricate, build and fly an rc helicopter.

Thank you God.

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09-02-2013 12:38 AM  5 years agoPost 34
unclejane

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So far that we have discovered, the human brain is the single most complex mechanism in the entire universe.
Esco said "perfect", not complex. Complexity doesn't imply perfection by any means.
No other mechanism in the entire universe has been known to design, fabricate, build and fly an rc helicopter.
Thank you God.
And, as anyone who's built and maintained a heli knows, it's far from a perfect device (as is the brain that made it). The Lord gots some 'splainin to do there....

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09-02-2013 12:49 AM  5 years agoPost 35
baby uh1

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I have gotten way behind on this discussion but i can assure you that I am fully capable of determining what I believe in, without any help from clergy, teachers, or any other person that is fully convinced that their view is the only correct one.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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09-02-2013 01:06 AM  5 years agoPost 36
Dennis (RIP)

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Esco said "perfect", not complex. Complexity doesn't imply perfection by any means.
Well, if you give a crap what esco says, that's your thing. Certainly not mine.
And, as anyone who's built and maintained a heli knows, it's far from a perfect device (as is the brain that made it). The Lord gots some 'splainin to do there....
Why?

Who said the brain is perfect?

Who said an rc heli is perfect?

Come on jane. You can do better than that.

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09-02-2013 01:08 AM  5 years agoPost 37
unclejane

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I have gotten way behind on this discussion but i can assure you that I am fully capable of determining what I believe in, without any help from clergy, teachers, or any other person that is fully convinced that their view is the only correct one.
But what you can't seem to do is question whether what you believe is _actually true or not_. You've accepted whatever it was you picked up (from wherever or whomever) blindly - you took it "on faith". That means you don't care if its true or not - it's in the bible or the right person said it or it "just feels right" and that's enough.

That's the difference between you and an athiest: an atheist cares about the truth value of his beliefs or those being sold (or pushed) to him. So he doesn't just accept it because its in the bible or came from a fool like William Laine Craig or a pastor or such.

That's why you have to justify claims to us before we'll accept them.

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09-02-2013 01:13 AM  5 years agoPost 38
unclejane

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Why?
Who said the brain is perfect?
Who said an rc heli is perfect?
There you go. Now you're catching on to how this works!
So I'll answer with a question: why did you introduce complexity here? You brought it up in an apparent attempt to support esco's "perfection" claim. Why did you do that?

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09-02-2013 01:18 AM  5 years agoPost 39
Dennis (RIP)

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But what you can't seem to do is question whether what you believe is _actually true or not_.
Doesn't matter. I have faith that it is. Thats all that matters to me.

You don't have to agree.
That's why you have to justify claims to us before we'll accept them.
Well, in spite of what anyone else may have said to you, I don't give a crap if you don't agree and I have nothing to prove to little turds like you. No one is holding a gun to your head or mine.

I think you know that's what most Christians think of you. You just like to spout off your bullsh#t because you like putting others down and you like to place yourself above others.

In others words, you are a pretty pathetic little thing jane.

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09-02-2013 01:31 AM  5 years agoPost 40
Dennis (RIP)

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why did you introduce complexity here? You brought it up in an apparent attempt to support esco's "perfection" claim. Why did you do that?
Stick your neck out a bit jane and look up the word definitions of "perfect" and "complexity".

I am sure a smart guy like yourself can see there is a difference.

duh

BTW: I don't speak for esco. He does not speak for me.

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