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04-12-2014 09:42 PM  4 years agoPost 2201
outhouse

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the Lord said.
BS

Only man wrote words for other men to follow.

Desperate oppressed men of corruption.

No deity has ever wrote a freakin word, im sure they all must be illiterate.

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04-12-2014 10:01 PM  4 years agoPost 2202
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The earth is billions of years old not 6000.
We evolved, adam and eve is mythology.
There factually was no exodus, Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaanites
There was no conquest.
Abraham and Moses appear to be literary creations that reflect 5th and 6th century politics and cultural practices.
Israelites were multi cultural with many different beliefs. You only follow what ended up as orthodoxy BY THE GOVERNMENT and you all agree governments are always corrupt.
This was a time when religion ruled governments
So what.

Grow up and get a life.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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04-12-2014 10:17 PM  4 years agoPost 2203
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Hmmm out is experiencing some dajavooooodoooooo!
Well out we can agree that a lot of goverment today are driven by greed and courption ,but that is the sad side of the human condition of free will.

I saw this today and thought it to be great!

3 NAILS + 1 CROSS = 4 GIVEN!

Another thing we don't think about but we should but or selfishness stops us is we are so full of ourselfs we think we are so smart now a days but think about how much knowledge we do nOT have from the past. We think we know how the pyramids were constructed but we really don't know for sure and can even with today's equipment struggle to even try to do what they did by simple man power. This ae we live in now is only making each of the last few generations dumber by the miniute. Children and even college grads can't do simple math without a calculator. I stoped at a fast food joint . My bill was $6.87 and I hadies the guy a 10 and then a dime and 2 pennies. He punched in the 10 but didnt see the 12 cents on the counter until he had hit the amount tendered. He looked at the 12 cents and said sorry buti already punched the 10 in . I said ok just add the 12 cents to the change amount and we will be good. He looked puzzled and said I'm sorry but I can't do that. I sated it was simple math where as he said::::::: ( this is h honest truth) I'm sorry but I'm only in my 3 year of college! I just accepted my Change as given and walked away in utter disbelief. Are we really smarter then they were so many years ago? I do have my doubts . It is so much clearer to me why the truths of the bible are coming To light.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-13-2014 12:57 AM  4 years agoPost 2204
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Their multi level's of the Cartoon Head's : From the University of de Googlia to the College of Wiki. We did it - is what they claim.

Welcome to the NEW Millennium's : Just give them bag's of Psychotropic Drug's and Rubber's - the NEw Bunnies with the Droid glued to their head. Trained Socialism WHole sale - and Growing

Step over them - No -Time :
Have em Google it up and charge their Coney Dog on Credit.

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04-13-2014 01:42 AM  4 years agoPost 2205
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Why gain knowledge when appealing to ignorance is so you!

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04-13-2014 01:46 AM  4 years agoPost 2206
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maybe house should go set on the dock in the bay and relax

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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04-13-2014 02:08 AM  4 years agoPost 2207
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Couldn't pass the test - Next one will be Judgement, should probably go water his pumpkin patch or polish his tea pot collection.

Can't pick a fight with GOD and expect to win.

greyeagle

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04-13-2014 04:50 AM  4 years agoPost 2208
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Out...
Not one shread of what you have presented makes any difference in what I believe, because I don't worry, or place any stock, in what the world, or those of it, thinks about me or what I believe. By the way, your whole way of presenting it overpowers and destroys any chance that you may have in swaying those here. You don't try to present anything in a knowledgable way, but go straight for the snide, bullish, approach that a child uses when they have been told that they can't have their own way. The difference between you and I is that I do believe that you entitled to your opinion, right or wrong, and served in the military to protect that right, as may have done as well, I don't know. You might gain more support to your side if you would learn some manners and bring your point across without all the name calling. That alone would make you at least sound more adult and may even bring some credability to your side of the discussion. If you find that you cannot refrain from such actions, then maybe you need to run along and play while the adults talk. Seriously, maybe you need to go off on a sabbatical. Regardless of what you believe I see your type of behavior everyday when I go to work. It really doesn't matter if you end up being right or wrong, you just gotta keep coming back. Whats funny to me is that your pride and vanity just won't let you walk away until you feel that you have won. Pride and vanity are also in the bible and are said to look pretty much as you are presenting them. There again thanks for the confirmation to the original question. I guess I was wrong, you did bring something constructive to the conversation after all.

Tom

"You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone."

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04-13-2014 05:45 AM  4 years agoPost 2209
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I sure would say that many of the biblical prophecies are sure starting to come to light as truths, yes.
HE has come again, walking on the lake, or make that hopping...except HE came back a Buddist who has not yet reached Nirvana!

Don't worry Kesus, keep on keeping on, ye shall make it one day.

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04-13-2014 06:23 AM  4 years agoPost 2210
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By the way, your whole way of presenting it overpowers and destroys any chance that you may have in swaying those here
Not trying to sway anyone in this thread.

So far everyone is treated on a individual basis.

Not all these replies have been directed at you, nor generalized at any random theist.

YOU so far have not given theism another black eye, the way the regular jackals in this thread do, that claim to be theist.
You might gain more support to your side if you would learn some manners and bring your point across without all the name calling.
I take part in religious forums that are peaceful on all sides. Since no respect is used here, none is given.

I also take part in a more historical forum at a scholars level where professors have to watch where they step.

Im not looking for support from these old geezers in this forum. But I wont let them trash Christianity, nor history, nor science.
I guess I was wrong
The only thing I have noticed, is that your taking side with these jackals.

You have not once tried to debate any aspect of religion with me what so ever, but now you judge me, after jumping in the middle of a two - three year debate over evolution.

Take as you wish brother. Keep you azz low and watch your six when your not state side..

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04-13-2014 12:19 PM  4 years agoPost 2211
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and served in the military to protect that right, as may have done as well,
Machinehead01

I can't thank you enough for your service!
But I wont let them trash Christianity,
He is saving this privilege for himself alone.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-13-2014 02:21 PM  4 years agoPost 2212
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Machinehead

I'm not sure how much of my writing you have read. At this stage I can assure you that I'm not trying to mock you this may change in the future that will depend on you. Anyhow the long story short I once desperately wanted to believe what Christians believe and I have been through the motions I was genuine I had an open mind I hadn't heard the names Dawkins, Krauss, Hitchens or the others. For some like myself believing something simply because you want it to be true isn't enough. I really thought about it I never said oh this is crap, I do now of course but then I spent a great deal of time thinking... Asking questions to Christians. I still think about the looks of hope on their faces when they thought the convincing answer had just been given. I'll never forget how dumb the answers were.

As time has passed and my knowledge on the topic has increased. I can honestly say I am relieved it's not true. Not because hell isn't real but because heaven isn't real. You probably don't understand that but then you've probably never considered what heaven would be like. I've been to the dark places I've been alone do you know how it feels to pack your car with a hose duct tape and some towels driven it somewhere that your confident it wont be found for a day or two? I can tell you that faith in an invisible being is not needed to change your life. Because of these experiences I've had the chance to live my life without any fear of death I still don't but I am no longer reckless like I was. I don't want to die but I don't fear it.

Now I want to ask
I believe that we are at the beginning of the birth pains of what the bible says is to come.
I sure would say that many of the biblical prophecies are sure starting to come to light as truths, yes.
You not only believe the biblical prophecies are true but you believe they are happening now?

Why? and I am not trying to mock you here the bible is proven 100% wrong about many things including the world being flat let alone the fact that it talks about unicorns and dragons. Why would you think it's incredibly vague and inaccurate prophecies are true?

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04-13-2014 02:28 PM  4 years agoPost 2213
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Dennis
When the world leaders are atheist.
what will the outcome be?
Same as it has been in the past.
Massive and horrific genocide on a scale never before seen.
Australia's last prime minister was an Atheist the country ran just the same as it did with a Christian prime minister.

Need I remind you again that Hitler was a Christian. Or claimed to be and if he wasn't his men were.

Not to mention according to your book your God is responsible for worse genocide then Hitler could have ever hoped for.

Try checking your facts

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04-13-2014 02:53 PM  4 years agoPost 2214
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Thomas
just accepted my Change as given and walked away in utter disbelief.
So you know how it feels.

Your talking about this guys math skills which I agree are not real good by the sounds of things. But if I may and you know I don't pick on spelling and grammar just to be a prick. If your going to complain about such things the least you could do would be to try to improve yours this post is terrible.
Another thing we don't think about but we should but or selfishness stops us is we are so full of ourselfs we think we are so smart now a days but think about how much knowledge we do nOT have from the past. We think we know how the pyramids were constructed but we really don't know for sure and can even with today's equipment struggle to even try to do what they did by simple man power. This ae we live in now is only making each of the last few generations dumber by the miniute. Children and even college grads can't do simple math without a calculator. I stoped at a fast food joint . My bill was $6.87 and I hadies the guy a 10 and then a dime and 2 pennies. He punched in the 10 but didnt see the 12 cents on the counter until he had hit the amount tendered. He looked at the 12 cents and said sorry buti already punched the 10 in . I said ok just add the 12 cents to the change amount and we will be good. He looked puzzled and said I'm sorry but I can't do that. I sated it was simple math where as he said::::::: ( this is h honest truth) I'm sorry but I'm only in my 3 year of college! I just accepted my Change as given and walked away in utter disbelief. Are we really smarter then they were so many years ago? I do have my doubts . It is so much clearer to me why the truths of the bible are coming To light.
We all make these mistakes but take a moment to read through before you post. If your going to complain then lead by example I am constantly trying to improve these skills.

As far as the pyramids go we have it down to a few possible ways they could have done it.

Last night I was looking up at the milky way I was going to take a photo of my view for you tonight but it's raining. Why you or anyone else feels the need to cheapen this with your silly man made myths I'll never understand.

Is what I do understand though is how weak the myths are when they require a army of lying Christian apologists just to trick simple idiots.

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04-13-2014 04:16 PM  4 years agoPost 2215
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Need I remind you again that Hitler was a Christian. Or claimed to be and if he wasn't his men were.
History disagrees with you over and over yet you are still ignorant to the facts.History is full of those who professed his name but were only using it to their own gain and not for Gods purpose. This has always been and will continue as long as we are here. It so simple to see this in this case yet you have somthing stuck so deep in your bitter soul you can't get past.

Why such hidden anger towards God hoggy? No other reason is plausible in your case. You couldn't find God for your own selfish reasons. You blocked his every call for some deep seated reason know only to you and him.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-13-2014 04:22 PM  4 years agoPost 2216
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Are we really smarter then they were so many years ago? I do have my doubts .
You certainly are not, but the rest of humanity, mostly, definitely is. We know so much more about our world since the scientific revolution that there's really no going back now.
It is so much clearer to me why the truths of the bible are coming To light.
Only because believers are now accidentally finding current events to stuff into the guesses of the biblical "prophesy" and nothing more. This is the chief problem with biblical "prophesy" - it can only be connected to a current event after the fact, once it's happened and can be hammered into compliance with a raw, flailing guess in the bible.

Biblical prophesy has never predicted an actual future event to a particular time and place with any kind of accuracy - it only has succeeded with very general, commonplace "predictions" like "a king will take over this land in the future" and so forth.

As for Christian apologetics, it's nothing more than a response to the pressures of the accuracies of the scientific method in describing our world. It's an attempt to inject some Botox into the lips of the weary old pig of the bible and Christian theology and make it try to sound academic and serious. But all it is is just a rehearsal of the same old fallacies that never worked before.

So, nothing special going on here....

LS

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04-13-2014 04:24 PM  4 years agoPost 2217
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Last night I was looking up at the milky way I was going to take a photo of my view for you tonight but it's raining. Why you or anyone else feels the need to cheapen this with your silly man made myths I'll never understand.
Exactly my point that are self blinded to the truth . How can you sit in awe of the milky way and think it just happened from an explosion? Show me on explosion man has ever produced that on it's own produced such an amazing result.

As far as my typing goes when you are using a touch pad keyboard and the worlds dumbest spell check ( apples) this is the result. I do correct some by proof reading but if this is the focus of your life the you need to really think about your priorities. My perfection of spelling is not the most high item on the list. If you do understand what I said then just ask and I will clarify.
As far as the pyramids go we have it down to a few possible ways they could have done it.
This is just a very simple example of knowledge and skill lost over the ages. The difference now is we are loosing these skill sets at a very accelerated pace in the last few generations. I am in the construction field and the skilled labor force is barely a fraction of what it was even just 30 years ago. We are following the same road that has destroyed all of the other great civilizations of the past. It's just a matter of time.

As far as the world order and the bible goes nobody here is claiming to know the future date of events to come but only that the signs of the troubles to come discribed in the bible are just more prevalent then anytime ever in history. You won't understand this at all if haven't studied the biblical narratives. With out this knowledge you can not fathom any of it.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-13-2014 04:37 PM  4 years agoPost 2218
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How can you sit in awe of the milky way and think it just happened from an explosion?
Another major difficulty with Christian apologetics in general - the rote and endless repetition of a fallacy does not reduce the fallacious nature of the nonsense. It's only a ridiculous repetition of the same wrong thing and nothing more.

TLE parrots this instance of the Argument from Ignorance over and over and... with the self-assurance that that makes him right. He's never read Hog's or outhouse's rebuttals or looked up the Argument from Ignorance or made the slightest effort to educate himself.

This is a really really bad PR problem for Christianity - leaving the idiots in charge of the asylum. Letting them go on and on and on with fallacies and lies with no education, no experience and no desire to learn as TLE does here.
As far as the world order and the bible goes nobody here is claiming to know the future date of events to come but only that the signs of the troubles to come discribed in the bible are just more prevalent then anytime ever in history.
..which is what makes this alleged "prophesy" completely meaningless: it can only be determined to be "true" after the fact and not before. It has no predictive power and tells us nothing at all that we can't already determine independently with our eyes, ears and minds. So we have no reason to take any of it seriously at all in terms of truth value. Just like the rest of the bible.

Just an FYI,

LS

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04-13-2014 05:47 PM  4 years agoPost 2219
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How can you sit in awe of the milky way and think it just happened from an explosion?
Through education and knowledge.

It amazes me how people still believe in mythology over science.

Sientifically your god does not exist.

There is not one thing you can attribute to the concept, with any credibility what so ever.

Come back and talk when you have real evidence, not perceived.

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04-13-2014 06:45 PM  4 years agoPost 2220
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Depends on informed you are.

Its still a choice.

God gave us free will.
Of course it is not a choice. Assuming there are no Hindus here, does anyone here seriously think they could ''choose'' to believe that it was the Hindu creator God, Brahma, that created the universe?

When in Rome....

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