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04-11-2014 01:05 AM  4 years agoPost 2141
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Hoggy you say the goverment is not pushing the gay lifestyle. Read this .

http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...rve-gay-wedding
Straight or gay look I'm the first to admit if I see a gay male couple kissing I feel a bit awkward
If you would admit to the truth you would be honest with yourself why this is.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-11-2014 01:19 AM  4 years agoPost 2142
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GOD Exsisted before Time / Not Effected By Time / He Control's Time / IT IS OPEN !
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.

Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.

To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the Lord, and my judgment is passed over from my God?

Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.

Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:

But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

?? What did you THANK GOD for today ???
What did you take FOR GRANTED ?

GOD's Not DEAd

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04-11-2014 02:06 AM  4 years agoPost 2143
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More evidence of the empty tomb

Empty Tomb

Finally, I took a look at some of the academic scholarship regarding the empty tomb of Jesus. I was truly surprised to find that a large majority of scholars today agree that Christ's tomb was found empty.

Consider...

The Jerusalem Factor. Since Jesus was publicly executed and buried in Jerusalem, it would have been impossible for Christianity to begin in Jerusalem while the body was still in the tomb. Christ's enemies in the Jewish leadership and Roman government would only have to exhume the corpse and publicly display it for the hoax of the empty tomb to be shattered.

The Jewish Response. Rather than point to an occupied tomb, the Jewish leadership accused Christ's disciples of stealing his body. Wouldn't this strategy seem to establish that there was, in fact, an empty tomb and a missing body?1

The Women's Testimony. In all four Gospel accounts of the empty tomb, women are listed as the primary witnesses. This would be an odd invention, since in both Jewish and Roman cultures women were not esteemed and their testimony was not admissible.

When you understand the role of women in first-century Jewish society, what's really extraordinary is that this empty tomb story should feature women as the discoverers of the empty tomb in the first place. Women were on a very low rung of the social ladder in first-century Palestine. There are old rabbinical sayings that said, 'Let the words of Law be burned rather than delivered to women' and 'blessed is he whose children are male, but woe to him whose children are female.' Women's testimony was regarded as so worthless that they weren't even allowed to serve as legal witnesses in a Jewish court of Law. In light of this, it's absolutely remarkable that the chief witnesses to the empty tomb are these women... Any later legendary account would have certainly portrayed male disciples as discovering the tomb -- Peter or John, for example. The fact that women are the first witnesses to the empty tomb is most plausibly explained by the reality that -- like it or not -- they were the discoverers of the empty tomb! This shows that the Gospel writers faithfully recorded what happened, even if it was embarrassing. This bespeaks the historicity of this tradition rather than its legendary status. 2
- See more at: http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/e...h.szjrAbvN.dpuf

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-11-2014 03:51 AM  4 years agoPost 2144
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Hoggy, I read your link and some other info about the role of evolutionary theory in the science of medical advancements.

The examples all given involve adaptation- of bacteria, of virus', of our immune system to the pressures of parasites, etc.

So in this instance would "evolution" more accurately and succinctly be termed "adaptations". All the work in medical science related to the things mentioned are understanding the way organisms adapt, and the overall effect on how we carry out medical treatments, and and general pursuit of better health.

I don't see at all in any medical literature where such research has had to account for new species, the eventuality of new species, or gross changes within a "type", such as a bacteria that suddenly grows wings (yes, this would be an extreme example)- how about legs then?

Couldn't this example of the practical usefulness of "evolutionary science" actually be the specific process of adaptation, which nobody argues? Adaptation can exist without Evolution from sub to "advanced" species and phenotypes. Adapation does not require new DNA information to be developed- in fact rarely or never does.

However- I suggest you guys take this to the Evolution thread if its still up and going.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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04-11-2014 03:53 AM  4 years agoPost 2145
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Hey, Jesus is ALIVE! I spoke to Him and He to me today (several times actually)... Everything He's promised has faithfully come to pass.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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04-11-2014 03:56 AM  4 years agoPost 2146
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imagination is wonderful isn't it!

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04-11-2014 03:58 AM  4 years agoPost 2147
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Finally, I took a look at some of the academic scholarship regarding the empty tomb of Jesus.
BS provide sources.

yes 100% of apologetic scholars who are not credible historically speaking may agree.

Not real scholars.

The resurrection is later mythology. Its why Paul ignored it.

Paul wrote 15 years later, no body would be found that could be identified.

Not only that your ignorance is outstanding as usual. The tomb was only used for a year or so until the boned could be placed in a ossuary.

It is unlikely a peasant would even be offered a tomb, and the stories of Joseph of Arimathea were written 40 years after his death, and YES ignored by Paul.

Joseph of Arimathea was a story created to fulfill prophecy in Isaiah

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04-11-2014 04:26 AM  4 years agoPost 2148
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I spoke to Him and He to me today (several times actually)... Everything He's promised has faithfully come to pass.
I'm curious. What sorts of things did he promise you and how was that conveyed? Most Christians I know don't actually have two way conversations with Jesus so this is new to me. They mostly pray and hope. Sometime answered, sometimes not.

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04-11-2014 04:59 AM  4 years agoPost 2149
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I would agree with that statement > !!! Sincerely Too
Most Christians I know don't actually have two way conversations with Jesus so this is new to me. They mostly pray and hope. Sometime answered, sometimes not.
I can only respond with question's for your thought and ponder

See if you can personally define them:

What do You consider a Christian far as their Convection with JESUS ?
It's not a badge for completing what many assume is a text book.

Some may only show up for a Wedding or a Funeral and label themselves. A Ceremony.

Some denomination's do not even recommend the members to read a Bible !! We call those the recovering -----------

Most only HOPE : Dice tossers - They may Label for a Variety of reason's. Literal Christian illiteracy : Not Bound by the WORD

Prayer Life is some what ambiguous and very weak - disconnected - when you ask them - until the very last minute and the chip's are down. Seen in the lack of FOCUS and Direction - LOST in it the layer's of Paint on Man's behavior.

Call it the Dead RUN - Then the Flurry

Think of it as showing up for class with out a pencil and paper.

GOD has the right to ask " Where have you been? For I know not you!"

The Some time's Answered and Some time Not = Is TRUE and Written :
You cannot dial up a Blessing. Just Please recognize it regularly: For nothing is to be expected.
You will then begin to recognize the Blessing's, and not take Life for granted. The Simple Thing's - You assume every day - The good Thing's that happen - Don't Blow em OFF " It Started "

The Bible Put's it this way : Their are numerous examples.

Their are Two Field's: One Evil / One Righteous :
When the Rain storm Come's both receive equally.

So it's up to the owner to apply it. But don't count on it -

IT's GOD' WILL - His ONLY You do not get too choose.

The Boss is The Boss : Known in study circles : "The I -AM's"

Find them in Both Covenant's as you follow the tapestry

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04-11-2014 05:26 AM  4 years agoPost 2150
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RUN SCAREED LIKE A COWARD

Or throw ancient mans guide away and man up, and make your own decisions.

One way or another, it is your decision anyway.

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04-11-2014 09:04 AM  4 years agoPost 2151
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Or throw ancient mans guide away and man up, and make your own decisions.
Instead of worshipping a cult of evolution freaks and little turd atheists, consider the same for yourself.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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04-11-2014 10:14 AM  4 years agoPost 2152
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Outhouse what if your wrong when you die and you go to hell for not believing Jesus Christ. If I am wrong, then when I die the worst thing to happen to me will be I was wrong. I can live with that. Willing to bet your eternal soul? Total torment for ever. Seems to be a big gamble on your behalf. I pray for you bro.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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04-11-2014 10:40 AM  4 years agoPost 2153
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Outhouse what if your wrong when you die and you go to hell for not believing Jesus Christ. If I am wrong, then when I die the worst thing to happen to me will be I was wrong. I can live with that. Willing to bet your eternal soul? Total torment for ever. Seems to be a big gamble on your behalf. I pray for you bro.
Well, you best start praying for more than your "bro" outhouse. Or on the flip side you best start praying to one of the many other ONE TRUE GOD religions that proclaim the same as yours. You can't all be right...are you ready to take that gamble 2low, and that is a big gamble considering out of the 7 odd billion earthlings only 2.17 billion are on your side. Even then that 2.17 billion are at odds as to which Christian sect has it right.

From List of Religious Populations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ous_populations

The CIA's World Factbook gives the population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 31.59% (of which Roman Catholic 18.85%, Protestant 8.15%, Orthodox 4.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 23.2%, Hindu 15.0%, Buddhist 7.1%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.2%, Bahá'í 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, non-religious 9.66%, atheists 2.01%. (2010 est.).

As some of you have problems with Wiki sources, here's the CIA page from which the Wiki info is taken. The Wiki page is easier to understand for some aspects but the CIA page is better for others.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...ields/2122.html

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04-11-2014 10:48 AM  4 years agoPost 2154
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Poophouse:
And sir you are a real $hit head.
Ignorant and poorly educated too.
You already have one foot in hell.
Repent before it's too late.
You pi$$ me off with your never ending
stupidity.

You 'say' St Paul 'said', but in reality
you never read WHAT HE SAID so here:

1 Corinthians 15

The Resurrection of Christ

15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11 Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

The Resurrection of the Dead

12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I face death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,

“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”[d]
33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”[e] 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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04-11-2014 02:06 PM  4 years agoPost 2155
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Stay tuned for the next F-ing stupid thing Thomas says.
Didn't take long did it.
Evolution according to YOU we can't see in humans because it takes millions and millions of years yet now adapting bacteria are all of a sudden are evolving in a matter of days ,hours and miniutes! Really ?
OMG.... lol.....
LS
UJ I know right... You think he's messing with me or really that stupid?

Thomas I was only pointing out that the world would be a little bit smarter if you stopped existing that's all don't be too offended.
Not the place to discuss this but I call BS the lot of it . It is simple adaptation!!!!!!!!
I shall come back to this shortly.
Hoggy you say the goverment is not pushing the gay lifestyle. Read this .
http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...rve-gay-wedding

Straight or gay look I'm the first to admit if I see a gay male couple kissing I feel a bit awkward
If you would admit to the truth you would be honest with yourself why this is.
Did you watch that video? doesn't sound like it.

I'm surprised at this link you posted I encourage everybody from outside of the USA to read it to see what a bunch of delusional hicks can be like. It seems Thomas you can't grasp the idea of equality gays don't want special treatment they just want to be treated the same as anyone else and have the same rights. What's worse than that is quite simple what sort of idiot business people turn down money for their product.
More evidence of the empty tomb
I have decided to take a moment to explain to you if true exactly what this would mean.

If a tomb was found empty. It would be evidence that it was empty. That there was nothing in there. That's all no magic no guessing at what why doesn't count. So yeah not real compelling.

Helimatt and Thomas
This adaptation thing you keep going back to. Your right it's not the right thread so we might go back there but let me just go over a few things. Replacing the word evolution with adaptation doesn't change what it is. Or trying to change the meanings of any other scientific terms.

Here are 2 terms for you

Adaptation:
The adjustment or changes in behaviour, physiology, and structure of an organism to become more suited to an environment. According to Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, organisms that possess heritable traits that enable them to better adapt to their environment compared with other members of their species will be more likely to survive, reproduce, and pass more of their genes on to the next generation.

Evolution:
Evolution consists of changes in the heritable traits of a population of organisms as successive generations replace one another. It is populations of organisms that evolve, not individual organisms.

So as you can see adaptation is important for evolution. Now let's see if you can work that out.

I also just want to point out that all of those papers out there used around the world in the field are reliant on the theory of evolution. It's rather funny that you lot think you know better then the people that are creating cures and treatments using this method. I suggest you publish your papers have them peer reviewed and confirmed then medical science will improve even more. You guys will probably get Nobel's if win most definitely be nominated. And I will come and personally apologise on stage in front of the world.

Evolution is a cold hard fact sorry you don't like.

Helimatt
Hey, Jesus is ALIVE! I spoke to Him and He to me today (several times actually)... Everything He's promised has faithfully come to pass.
I don't suppose you have any evidence of this conversation? I could really help you out here.

Hey 2low You must think your God pretty simple if Out were to take Pascals wager I would have thought God would see straight through that. Anyway as Trip said what if your wrong you may still go to hell with us lol. Just for you bud enjoy

Watch at YouTube

I really can hardly believe you'd trot out Pascals wager.

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04-11-2014 02:25 PM  4 years agoPost 2156
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UJ I know right... You think he's messing with me or really that stupid?
He's really that stupid.. Everything he says and parrots is completely wrong. It's like watching a circus act or something, unbelievable and quite hilarious...

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04-11-2014 02:29 PM  4 years agoPost 2157
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Outhouse what if your wrong when you die and you go to hell for not believing Jesus Christ. If I am wrong, then when I die the worst thing to happen to me will be I was wrong. I can live with that. Willing to bet your eternal soul? Total torment for ever. Seems to be a big gamble on your behalf. I pray for you bro.
FYI, this is probably the oldest and tiredest argument in Christian apologetics and has a long, literary history. The formal name for this fallacy is Pascal's Wager:

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index....ascal%27s_Wager

Debunked long long ago and doesn't work on atheists. Or any thinking person, anyway.

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04-11-2014 02:29 PM  4 years agoPost 2158
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Say's alot about the invasion of Locust's and Grasshoppers & What too do with sand
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

GOD made TIME = X

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

That's time

Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.

Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:

But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

GOD is IMMUTABLE = Time LESS

GOD IS NOT DEAD

MOre description of TIME

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Is this Life ALL Their IS ???

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04-11-2014 03:24 PM  4 years agoPost 2159
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Poophouse:
And sir you are a real $hit head.
Ignorant and poorly educated too.
You already have one foot in hell.
Repent before it's too late.
You pi$$ me off with your never ending
stupidity.
Poophouse:
Very classy
And sir you are a real $hit head:
You don't start a sentence with "and" and "$hit head"...also classy.
Ignorant and poorly educated too:
Another improper way to start a sentence. You're losing credibility very fast here.
Repent before it's too late:
I don't think he will.
You pi$$ me off with your never ending
stupidity:
The same could be said about you.

Hey Professor, it seems to me that if you don't want people disagreeing with you about YOUR subject then you shouldn't start a thread like this, should you?

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04-11-2014 03:33 PM  4 years agoPost 2160
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His Kingly SELF Title : HIS Behavior is His Evidence -

Depository of Drought

Do you wish to carry the Brass Pot for the Out House in Defense ??

He can get you a job ! It IS what it IS, it's HIS JOB - AGNOSTIC

He's hiring -he performs the un- pardonable

You Approve of His Job ? Hes got room in his class - he gather's them leaving wreckage in their lives and to feed upon the weak - the Hole to fall into. Carries the Scepter of the Plunger

He is a teacher of Pagan -Ism - Support the behavior in approval or push it back into the dark where it came from ?

Would you like to learn how to grow a Pagan ?? We can do that !!!

ANY ONE CAN : Grow a PAGAN : Utterly Simple

THE BIBLE IS VERY TRUE on Paganism

The Back Slider's

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