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04-10-2014 05:40 AM  4 years agoPost 2121
GREYEAGLE

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What's a an actual miracle that we can examine: Is when it Start's !
We take it for granted it is going to start.

1st thing and the last thing they tell you: SIGN HERE in Quad Signature

When they call - and to be prepared - because they where able to harvest from a Donor. You SURE ???? - ABSOLUTELY ????

{ IT MAY NOT START } Your sure you want to do this ???

It's a ONE WAY TRIP - It may NOT START - We are NOT IN CONTROL of THE IGNITION - It MAY BE A DUD

YOU WIN EITHER WAY ; IT Start's or IT DOES NOT START -You STILL WIN

You have been wearing a Turbine Pump that spin's at 9600 RPM on Jeweled bearings & Lypo's hung in a fishing vest full of LED's and Uber tech charger's. Absolutely Silent not even a whirl

Well the Phone ring's and they are going to remove it- With NO Guarantee What so Ever : NOTHING - and you better be prepared.

Because the NEW ONE MAY NOT START The ONE WAY

Then you wake UP - and you hear something that you have never ever heard before - NOT even since childhood : WHy because your Brain has learned to filter it out as back round noise & ignore the Banging --makes so much noise you cannot sleep - takes awhile for the Brain to filter out the absolute racket again.

It Started : Talk to the HEART It answer's

It wasn't the one way guarantee this time

That's a Miracle learn too listen and look for em

HEy IT STARTED !!!

greyeagle

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04-10-2014 06:36 AM  4 years agoPost 2122
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You never give up...
Though, I would like to ask a question of those here who profess to believe. How many times have you prayed for those here that do not? We all have the choice and right of choice to believe it or reject it. This is the plan of the father. If you can remember, think back to before, when you walked that path. What made the change for you? What caused YOU to question your path? Maybe these here haven't reached that point yet, maybe they never will. If you look at things from their prospective, how many times have we as christians "thrown the baby out with the bath" when we have discussed their alternate life style? It is not our job to sit in judgement of anyone and quite frankly how can you do so when you are born of the same sinful nature that they are? Romans 3:23 says" For all haved sinned and come short of the glory of god." Meaning no man holds dominion over another. That belongs to God and God alone. We know our father is all about love, but do we ever wonder why it is really so important? TRUTH here, you yourself cannot force someone else into taking on your beliefs. Even if it required their life, and they sought to spare it, they would only confess that belief with their mouths, and still curse you in their hearts, believing what they may anyways. As Christ has shown us it has to be done through love. Maybe even as he did as said in John 15:13"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends" unto death itself, sacrifice. Without love there is no compassion, without compassion there is no sacrifice and the heart cannot be moved or changed. Change starts from within and there is no greater motivator for it then love. These men are of the world and the world is fast becoming a very loveless place but if you are trying to show them any thing different, how can you do it by acting as those who are living in the world? We are to be a light unto the world, different. To walk in the footsteps and be like CHRIST! He didn't bash us, the sinners, over the head for our sins, so as christians, those who believe in him, how can we?
The second greatest commandment of the Bible says to love another as you would love yourself. Say the Bible is a myth but, we learned to live by this one concept, this one thought process alone, committed to it. By doing so it would mean that we wouldn't harm those around us. If those around us had needs we would each seek to cover them, full bellys, warmth, roof over their heads. Needs met, not wants, NEEDS. It would mean that if we saw those around us struggling with anything we would jump right in to help. If we would just live by this one commandment(directly from Christ) the world would change regardless and since thats what the Bible tells us to do, there in is the truth of the bible. There are things that happen in our day to day lives that science has yet to and maybe never will explain. Science knows text books full of what goes on in the body, but still can't even come close to explaining how the mind works, the choices it makes, the ability to react and make choices away from what an instinctual or animal type mind can. The best of them here doesn't have a clue as to even a mere glimpse of what it's capable of! So beyond anything else ever conceived by nature! And yet there are those who would say that this is all happenstance. We are as far away seperated from the 2nd highest level of intelligence as God is from us! I think some struggle to wrap their head around or can't envision or even conceive that someone or something could be capable of doing something so wonderful and vast as to make a universe or create a creature as unique as us!

The truth of the bible is there for those who would try to find it, open minded enough about events and the others around them, and willing to admit to themselves that maybe I don't have all the answers. Maybe this isn't just about me after all. Maybe there is something else.

Tom

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04-10-2014 06:48 AM  4 years agoPost 2123
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How many times have you prayed for those here that do not?
a few times, maybe 3 or 4

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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04-10-2014 07:21 AM  4 years agoPost 2124
outhouse

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Pilate wanted to hand Him back as the customary appeasement during the Feast.
Your a retard hellimatt. I gave you links where you could learn real history from the best universities in the world. I see your to ignorant to drink.

I gave you links to study, instead you spread LIES.

It was never customary appeasement. There is no such record anywhere else on this matter anywhere.

IT IS FICTION

The Hellenistic authors were writing to and for a Roman audience. They made the Jews look bad and the Romans innocent. It was the other way around. you idiot.

You get the rough hand now, because you have shown your intellectual dishonesty, your a lying piece of Christian trash.

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04-10-2014 07:25 AM  4 years agoPost 2125
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The truth of the bible
Is for idiots that need help in life with matters they cannot comprehend.

I have no issues with the religious if they only learned how to keep their stinking lying mouths shut.

I have many theist friends that will not comment on things they know nothing about. Unlike you pieces of trash.

Its fine to be religious, and have faith.

ITS NOT OK to denounce science and medicine because of faith. And if you open your trap, expect to be stood up and hammered for the piece of trash you are.

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04-10-2014 11:24 AM  4 years agoPost 2126
Thomas L Erb

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What their agenda EQUALITY Those evil SOB's just like them dam Nig....Blacks eh Thomas.
Hoggy why are you so ignorant here? Your linking two things that are as far removed from each other as is the ends of the earth.

I don't have any power to control what gays do to,themselfs . I do have the right to not have their agenda forced on me By the goverment.i have never shown hatred towards gay people anywhere. I have always stated my position of hate the sin but love the sinner! That is what Christ message is all about. So You would have all those here that profess Christ taken out a whipped to death and free Gay sex in the streets? This is path of your logic, hide your children as they will be next on the list. You accuse Chritians of corrupting their children but they bore these children and have every right to teach them what they believe ,but you believe you have the right to take this away from them? I say you don't period!

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-10-2014 11:31 AM  4 years agoPost 2127
Thomas L Erb

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ITS NOT OK to denounce science and medicine because of faith
Out, If you would pay attention that is not done by any of us here. We just reserve the right to question everything . Many great things hae come from both of these but why do you think doctors have to start a " practice" ? Medicine as well as science is a fluid study that is constantly changing and NEVER settled. You mindset can only see science rolling down the perfect strait road that never has a curve or pothole to avoid. This is the definition of a narrowmind.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-10-2014 01:12 PM  4 years agoPost 2128
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outhouse observed:
Your a retard hellimatt.
That may be true , but it has no bearing on the truth of Jesus' life and resurrection. In fact, that Jesus has brought me into the arms of God as a son, is further proof of His goodness!

got any facts? You never ever post any, just insults.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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04-10-2014 02:14 PM  4 years agoPost 2129
GREYEAGLE

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All one has to do is examine those whom wear the mask's of greed.

It is Taught and Easily Identifiable.

The Cosmetic's of deception -
The Actor's for SELF to profit for Me- Izzium : THE MASK

They have become Expert's and Professional, the player's further passing to their offspring as NORMAL at least Three generation's.

The tempest we see arising as a Judea / Christian Nation is pure un adulterated exposure of it. It's scrubbing off.

Look for it- At all level's of Leader Ship : Just as a Beginning
then look further- deeper.

Let the scrubbing and suffering begin - It's not even Loud Yet but they do NOT Understand.

If they wear the mask - let them be come accountable

greyeagle

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04-10-2014 02:52 PM  4 years agoPost 2130
unclejane

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Nothing in the definition of a miracle as given requires it to happen repeatedly. One intervention by God ONCE in history is a miracle.
I don't say that only one has happened though but it is not required [LS uh oh, a new specification on frequency!] to prove a miracle by my definition. Do require new qualifications to the definition?
Absolutely. You've suddenly and arbitrarily palmed this silly (but predictable) "ONCE" card in your argument here, so you do need to adjust your definition to accomodate this. Namely, that the miraculous is now a one-shot item and apparently the one shot must have been in the past.. I need to warn you however, that I'm on to you already. You're going down that path I warned you against of watering down "miraculous" into something more ordinary (and less "miraculous" ) that you can hope to credibly provide evidence for. I'm already going to quarrel with that sudden adjustment - "miraculous" doesn't strike me as having this one-shot limitation. In fact, that seriously degrades your definition already to the point that I'm doubting that it's "miraculous" anymore.

The most serious problem, however, is this arbitrary injection of the one-shot requirement (quite conveniently) removes the possibility of obtaining a robust result. If the god can't repeat miracles, much less in the present, that's the kiss of death in terms of being able to determine if the 'miracle' is a reliably occuring phenomenon of nature, as is your claim. You're just about dead in the water already in terms of credibility if you insist on this limitation.

So you've kind of already screwed yourself here.
You are the one who has set this ground rule,
That is exactly right. You demanded it and you agreed to it by continuing the argument. Meeting #2 is a hard requirement if you want me to believe anything you say.
and it is not logically or metaphysically necessary for us to have current miracles so that past miracles are attested as true.
Wrong. It is absolutely necessary. In order to trust a past report of a phenomenon, you must have had at least one present instance of it available to attest that it is a real phenomenon in our world. A past report of a completely unattested phenomenon is even less reliable than a present report of a completely unattested phenomenon. Or even a past report of an attested phenomenon:
Eg.
"There was a terrible flood 2000 years ago"
vs
"a god raised someone from the dead 2000 years ago"

are universes apart in terms of trustworthiness today. Can you see why?
You may make this your ground rule, but it is specious.
That tells me that you can't meet it and are either unable to, or are refusing to produce an instance of a miracle. And now you want to back out of the argument.
Historical records in the bible are reliable, and they record prophesies about Jesus' coming and the new life of the Spirit.
No they are not, for reasons we've already gone over. I've already told you that blind, repeated citations of hearsay bible verses over and over will not pass muster and will not be accepted as evidence.

So, we're at a stopping point already:
-I don't accept your new one-shot/only in the past limitation on the definition of "miraculous". It's a totally arbitrary injection of ordinariness into what is supposed to be a truly extraordinary phenomenon of nature. You're just trying to define it into existence again, a fallacious line of reasoning I warned you earlier that I would not accept.
-you must produce a present example of a "miracle", not endless citations from the bible.

If you don't correct these problems, I have no reason to believe a single word you say about them.

LS

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04-10-2014 03:30 PM  4 years agoPost 2131
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Hoggy why are you so ignorant here? Your linking two things that are as far removed from each other as is the ends of the earth.
Discrimination based on someone's sexuality is every bit as bad as discrimination based on skin colour or race. These are things that people are born with and they cannot change because you or anyone else doesn't like it. I know you believe the earth has ends but it's spherical. No these things are not that much different.
I don't have any power to control what gays do to,themselfs .
And it shouldn't bother you in the least.
I do have the right to not have their agenda forced on me By the goverment.
What!!! are they forcing you to be gay? are they effecting your life in anyway? Don't like what's on tv change the channel, Don't like pride marches don't go. I'm sorry how is the government forcing their agenda on you?
i have never shown hatred towards gay people anywhere. I have always stated my position of hate the sin but love the sinner! That is what Christ message is all about.
Clearly I can only take your word for it. Other Christians have been known to beat gays. Some Christians believe that gays are causing god to get angry and that's why there are bigger storms and more earth quakes etc. Do you tell them they'll goto hell unless they change?
So You would have all those here that profess Christ taken out a whipped to death and free Gay sex in the streets?
If you want to Christian I don't care. If you want to distort science and medicine like I said earlier you deserve prison or treatment. If you wish to brainwash children that can't escape with fear and your personal beliefs based on the justification of saving their souls I'm sorry but that's child abuse. Because none of your personal beliefs have been substantiated.

As for free gay sex in the street WTF man I don't want any sex in the street. Straight or gay look I'm the first to admit if I see a gay male couple kissing I feel a bit awkward but it's no different to when I see a fat ugly straight couple kissing. I find the idea of a obese fat couple having sex gross but does that mean they shouldn't be allowed?
This is path of your logic
You wouldn't know what logic was. What you believe is the most illogical thing out there.
You accuse Chritians of corrupting their children but they bore these children and have every right to teach them what they believe ,but you believe you have the right to take this away from them? I say you don't period!
Honestly you'd probably do less harm by beating them. Your locking their minds up for a future of ignorance and fairy tales.

I know your going to say your beliefs are not harming science and medicine. So let me address this for you. Modern medicine is heavily reliant on evolution and guess what it works. So if you have a bunch of nitwits who believe god made man from dust and that evolution doesn't work how are they going to develop new vaccines. If stem cell research is limited because of idiotic religious reasons other nations can will and are leading you and us on this front.

Believe the world is 6000 years old and man over hunted the dinosaurs. That is a level of stupid unmatched. Your beliefs are harming science period.

Helimatt
I understand your going to be gone for a couple of days I await your responses to my questions some are more important then others to me.
I have witnessed in m life, and profoundly in the lives of many many others - Release from chains of addiction and inward death, release from anger and from bitterness and rage. Deliverance from suicide and healed marriages. One young girl, deaf and mute from early infancy, able to hear and talk because of God's loving mercy and with joy salvation came to that household. There are many others...
Please remind me of this I'll talk to you about suicide and my life. I am interested in more details about the young girl at what age she was diagnosed and what age she could hear and what the condition was called. I'll talk to you about the so called miracle the Christians I knew a few years back claimed in their attempt to convince me. Very much like Tim Minchin's "Sam's Mum" Song.

Thomas for you enjoy.

Watch at YouTube

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04-10-2014 04:49 PM  4 years agoPost 2132
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Modern medicine is heavily reliant on evolution and guess what it works
This couldn't be further from the truth! The facts don't bear this as truth.
If you want to distort science and medicine like I said earlier you deserve prison or treatment
So you should go after those scientist who distort their findings to promote global warming . Te fact that science has been distorted for other reasons is well documented but I don't see any of them stung up and killed for your way of life.

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-10-2014 04:59 PM  4 years agoPost 2133
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And the fire grows...
Matthew 10, 21 through 23: 21"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. 23"But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.…
Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me."
Mark 13:13 "Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."
Luke 21:17 "Everyone will hate you because of me"
John 15:18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first."
John 15:19 "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."
John 15:21 "They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me."

Even in your actions towards those, and your arguments with, do you give vindication and validation to what the believer has been told. So with you giving fuel unto the fire, how do you expect it NOT to grow? You give the very confirmation of and to the word, to which you so vehemently deny. Again more truth and confirmation.
I give a challenge, take some time read the book from cover to cover(open mindedly) to gain knowledge for your arguments. As we both know, you cannot accurately debate or refute something without the knowledge thereof.
Science has it's place, but it's incomplete, so where do you look when it doesn't seem to have the answer? We all have a curious and inquisitive nature, maybe those who open mindedly look to the Bible are quite possibly, those who haven't stopped looking for the answers.
Just me here, my opinion, but as I look at a world that seeks to grow ever smarter,but yet getting closer to eating itself, ever wandering closer to an edge it can't draw back from, what the Bible says about whats to come makes even more sense.

Tom

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04-10-2014 09:52 PM  4 years agoPost 2134
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We all have the choice and right of choice to believe it or reject it.
Well, no, you don't ''choose'' what you believe.

You don't really think that you could ''choose'' to believe that some other God is the only true God that created the universe, and ''choose'' to believe that the Bible is not true and that some other religious book is true instead, do you?

What people believe is based on understanding, not choice.

When in Rome....

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04-10-2014 10:43 PM  4 years agoPost 2135
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What people believe is based on understanding, not choice.
Depends on informed you are.

Its still a choice.

God gave us free will.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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04-10-2014 10:45 PM  4 years agoPost 2136
GREYEAGLE

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GOD made TIME

HE knows the Date of your Birth and He knows the Date of your Death:

HE knows it - and HE Knows it before you do -

You can't stretch the clock or play with the Calender on your whim to make the puzzle pieces fit.

greyeagle

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04-10-2014 10:51 PM  4 years agoPost 2137
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Depends on informed you are.
Its still a choice.
God gave us free will.
Do you still choose to believe the Sun orbits the Earth? Or that the Earth is flat?

LS

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04-10-2014 11:35 PM  4 years agoPost 2138
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Modern medicine is heavily reliant on evolution and guess what it works
This couldn't be further from the truth! The facts don't bear this as truth.
Stay tuned for the next F-ing stupid thing Thomas says.

If you'd just done a search you'd have seen how wrong you were.

One of many

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...on-in-medicine/
From this article
A recent series of article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) discusses the role of evolutionary biology in modern medicine. The authors collectively make a forceful point – medicine is an applied science. It is based upon a number of basic sciences, and one of those basic sciences is evolution.

The most obvious example is bacterial antibiotic resistance. Antibiotics place a selective pressure on a bacterial population, often resulting in the emergence of resistant strains. Understanding this “evolutionary arms race” between bacteria and antibiotics allows us to develop strategies for minimizing resistance.
Please stop using medicine when you get sick and just pray the world will be a little bit smarter when you stop breathing.

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04-10-2014 11:50 PM  4 years agoPost 2139
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Please stop using medicine when you get sick and just pray the world will be a little bit smarter when you stop breathing.
Wow Hoggy who peeeed in your wheaties ? Such hatred spewed ? Man you need help for sure! Evolution of bacteria? Not the place to discuss this but I call BS the lot of it . It is simple adaptation!!!!!!!! Evolution according to YOU we can't see in humans because it takes millions and millions of years yet now adapting bacteria are all of a sudden are evolving in a matter of days ,hours and miniutes! Really ? Talk about twisting the facts! Do be so dumb!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/art...on-and-medicine

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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04-11-2014 12:46 AM  4 years agoPost 2140
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Evolution according to YOU we can't see in humans because it takes millions and millions of years yet now adapting bacteria are all of a sudden are evolving in a matter of days ,hours and miniutes! Really ?
OMG.... lol.....

LS

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