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09-07-2013 03:12 AM  5 years agoPost 181
outhouse

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scientifically no god exist, because there has never been anything to test for ever.

You cant test human imagination and make something mythological real.

It is upon those that claim he is real to provide the proof he is if they want to substantiate their claim. They cannot end of story.

All we can prove with 100% certainty is that man has a long history of creating deities.

The Abrahamic deity factually has been defined by man, and it is a concept that has factually evolved to mirror mans needs, wants and desires for over a thousand years.

End of story. Man creates deities.

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09-07-2013 03:13 AM  5 years agoPost 182
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Your a very old bitter individual who expresses this quite clearly in these forums, and yes you do persistently act "child like".

Its why you remain on my ignore list.
Told ya that you read every single post I place here.

Thanks for the confirmation.

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09-07-2013 03:17 AM  5 years agoPost 183
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One of these things is not like the other
Sesame Street was never as popular in the UK as it was in the US, but I'm aware of the concept.
As for the second claim, as we've seen through the ages, nothing like the Christian god has ever been observed or detected in any way, or found to be behind any process or anything at all in our world so far. In fact, the supernatural in general has never been demonstrated in any way, shape or form. This (greatly) reduces the probability that it's going to turn up true. In fact, the real information we have about it currently is utterly zero, so it's arguably not even worth pursuing as a hypothesis.
This is an excellent point. If we are supposed to believe that the Christian God exists, then why didn't he leave some clues when he created the earth? If the Bible is true, and includes prophecies, then why doesn't it make at least one irrefutably accurate prediction that can be shown to have come true? For example, instead of vague predictions about wars taking place, and any of us could reasonably predict that wars will take place in the future, it could have predicted an actual war that has actually taken place, and the dates it started and finished on etc.

It also stands to reason that at least some scientific discovery would indicate the existence of the Christian God, and/or that the Bible is true. Yet there is no indication that the Christian God created or did anything, and science continues to refute what the Bible says. So much so, that young earth creationists in particular, seem to have developed a disdain for science and the advancement of knowledge.

So it is for the benefit of mankind that we participate in these sort of threads.

Dusty

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09-07-2013 03:18 AM  5 years agoPost 184
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I've only said I don't believe your god exists despite your protestations to the contrary.
I call bs on that one uj. If that were true you would be having a reasonable discussion on the matter. You have shone nothing but contempt for anything Christian in this thread.
why would a God even have created mankind in the first place, in full knowledge that some would end up being tortured for eternity?
This is very clearly stated by the bible in so many verses. If you would study the bible to find out just what it means And not just to try and tear it apart you would know this answer.

Out I cut and pasted from uj's link . If you don't like the content take it up with him

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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09-07-2013 03:21 AM  5 years agoPost 185
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Ok uncle jean so nothing that you see here on earths tell you that we have a messiah, right? so what parts of EVO{ tell ya
we're living by chance and when we died there's not a part of us that live explain that to me sir, I quiet sure you cant be this
delusional about creations. The almighty curse the one that fool you.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-07-2013 03:30 AM  5 years agoPost 186
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Which God, in your mind, is the one most likely to exist?
There is no description of a God anywhere that I know of, that I can point to and say ''that one.''

But I can say which God / religious teachings are more or less likely to be true than others. For example, Judaism is more believable than Christianity regarding the Jewish belief that the bit in Genesis about God breathing into Adam's nostrils was the beginning of the Jewish tribes, rather than the Christian belief that it was the creation of mankind, because the Jewish version of the story doesn't discount evolution. But OTOH, the God in the Old Testament clearly favours Jews over the rest of mankind, and instructs them to kill gentiles and steal their land etc, which is less believable than the God in the New Testament who treats everyone (except slaves) as equal, and doesn't claim to be jealous or vengeful etc like the God in the Old Testament does.

I would also expect that the compassion of any God that might exist, would exceed the compassion of the people he is supposed to have created, rather than the other way around.

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09-07-2013 03:33 AM  5 years agoPost 187
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This is very clearly stated by the bible in so many verses. If you would study the bible to find out just what it means And not just to try and tear it apart you would know this answer.
Which verses are you referring to, and why can you not answer the question in your own words?

Dusty

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09-07-2013 03:34 AM  5 years agoPost 188
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I call bs on that one uj. If that were true you would be having a reasonable discussion on the matter. You have shone nothing but contempt for anything Christian in this thread.
OTOH, who's the one(s) throwing tantrums and calling names? And who's the one responding not to that, but only the content (in the rare instances it can be found)?

I'm only asking you (probably quite vexing) questions that you guys apparently can't supply answers for. That's not contempt. A better word is scrutiny, perhaps.

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09-07-2013 03:43 AM  5 years agoPost 189
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OTOH, who's the one(s) throwing tantrums and calling names? And who's the one responding not to that, but only the content (in the rare instances it can be found)?
Out!

You cannot legalize morality. It's internal not external. You either have it or you don't.

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09-07-2013 03:54 AM  5 years agoPost 190
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Calling out liars and pathetic individuals embarrassing humanity.

yes I admit too that.

There is no debate about current dating methods, to denounce that you are forced to be a liar in favor of mythology over knowledge and education. Again, a embarrassment to humanity. One would then be a really pathetic human being dragging down mankind.

There is no place in modern society for fundamentalist fighting education. And this brings us full circle to you Tom.

Your fighting blindly, and ignorance wont let you slide from your guilt here.

Tom your actually for the most part just trying to fight back and for the most part you are honest. I only pick on you for posting crap you don't have a clue about.

You can admit it and be honest. But quit placing mythology before science that will save you any day now, when you have a heart attack or stroke.

Science will be the one to pick up your pieces and put you back together, not some ancient book with good morals

Its OK to accept the science that wants to save you when your hurt, not some myth sitting in the clouds watching but not helping you or your hurt loved ones.

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09-07-2013 03:56 AM  5 years agoPost 191
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Calling out liars and pathetic individuals embarrassing humanity.

yes I admit too that.
Yes God.

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09-07-2013 04:58 AM  5 years agoPost 192
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Sound's EXCITING ! get em swinging from the tire swing !!
MELCHIZEDEK

Must be a No- Date nite: --------------------------------again

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09-07-2013 01:30 PM  5 years agoPost 193
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On well. If you have a problem with my situation, then it's your problem.
It's just sad, is all, not being able to tell what's real from what's not real. That's classified as a mental illness among thinking persons these days. You call it "faith". Unfortunate...

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09-07-2013 01:42 PM  5 years agoPost 194
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By this methodology, all theist are also strong atheist.
As I know you do not believe in alla, apollo or zues.
That's exactly right. In fact, all theists are atheists with respect to some god. Every Christian on this board is an atheist WRT Allah, for example, as well as the Greek gods you mentioned.

And, in keeping with helimatt's observation, they act as if they're also strong atheists (gnostic atheists) WRT to those gods. They'll generally actively deny that those gods exist and will act on those beliefs as well.

OTOH, they're generally also oblivious to the contradictions associated with this slop trough of thinking of theirs - they couldn't tell you not only why they believe their god exists (no one on this board has supported any of their beliefs for example) but they also couldn't tell you why they deny the other gods' existence either.

That's the kind of thing that happens when you don't think about, or care about, the truth value of your beliefs as most Christians do... And why theists have that (well deserved) reputation as poor thinkers.

PS: a majority (perhaps it's large too) of us are former Christians. There are many Christians who do think about their beliefs carefully; they tend to join our ranks once they really start examining critically what they believe...

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09-07-2013 03:06 PM  5 years agoPost 195
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Helimatt,
Does that not make you an agnostic?
Even Richard Dawkins struggled with this. The answer must be yes we are Agnostic if you provide proof (real proof) I must except it for that it how I live my life based on what's real. In the end the word Atheist allows others to know where we stand.
If that is your claim, that sufficient evidence has not been presented to show the existence of god, I have this question:

If sufficient evidence were presented, would you alter your view to theism?
The answer is YES. However if you can present any evidence of a GOD it will not be your Christian GOD because it is an illogical concept and is quite obviously fake. I will now provide evidence that the Christian GOD is not real. Next post.

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09-07-2013 03:07 PM  5 years agoPost 196
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According to the bible.
Adam and Eve were the first two people created and were responsible for original sin. This has been proven to be wrong there are NO bottle necks in Human DNA that would take us back to just 2 people. You may thank Collin Francis (Christian scientist Human Genome Project) for this information. This lack of a DNA bottle neck also proves the Noah and the global flood never happened either along with a mountain of other evidence.

Anyhow Adam and Eve never existed so can not have committed original sin. So we can not be guilty of it. The entire premise of the story is now undone.

So now the story of GOD coming to earth as Jesus so he can have himself tortured and killed. Why we don't need to be forgiven for original sin that never happened. So why do it to impress himself? No none of this even happened and you have NO proof to back it up at all.

See that
Evidence (DNA this is not in dispute)
Logic (The story is illogical more so when evidence is presented)
Conclusion (Christian God is not real)

DO NOT PASS GO, GO STRAIGHT TO REALITY NO YOU MAY NOT RE-WRITE THE RULES TO SUIT YOURSELF. PLEASE STOP MOVING BABY JUSUS AROUND THE BOARD STOP MOVING THAT CROSS REMOVE YOUR CHURCHS FROM THE BOARD.

This is good news guys you were not born sick so please don't be afraid of the nasty book that commands you to be well.

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09-07-2013 03:18 PM  5 years agoPost 197
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Dear Jane :

Home work time

( They where among us but not of us }

Think Outy did it

Go Find it

P.S. forgot

MELCHIZEDEK

Poor Hoggy and Outu : They don't want too get to Heaven

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09-08-2013 02:54 PM  5 years agoPost 198
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The answer is YES. However if you can present any evidence of a GOD it will not be your Christian GOD because it is an illogical concept and is quite obviously fake. I will now provide evidence that the Christian GOD is not real. Next post.
We should remember, though, that it's not _our_ responsibility to define _their_ god. The _Christian_ is the one claiming it exists so it is fully _his_ duty, not ours.

So before we can even consider the question of its existence the Christian must:

- fully define the god. There has to be an object of study, and _the Christian_ is responsible for supplying it. We need to know exactly what it is in full detail and exactly what it's supposed to do and not do.

- describe fully how it is real. In what way is it to be examined. The claim is that it's supernatural and yet still somehow intervenes in the natural world. So the Christian's burden (among others) is to explain how this state of affairs obtains (how it can be both outside the natural world and inside of it at the same time).

Again, it's _their_ god so it's _their responsibility_, not ours.

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09-08-2013 03:13 PM  5 years agoPost 199
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There is no explanation that would satisfy a thick headed numbskull.

Don't bother with it.

You simply cannot fix stupid.

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09-08-2013 03:24 PM  5 years agoPost 200
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There is no explanation that would satisfy a thick headed numbskull.
This is just once again trying to blame us for your lack of responsibility for your god.

We can be quite convinced, just as we've been convinced of all the other real things in our world. We've told you what you need to do if you want us to believe you - present something, anything that shows that he's real and conforms to your claim.

Just because you can't fulfill your duties as a believer isn't our problem.

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