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09-01-2013 04:23 AM  5 years agoPost 21
clay333

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I have flown quite a few systems...Vbar, Brain, BeastX, and Helicommand HC3SX. If money were no object I would go Helicommand on all of my helis simply for the bailout. It also flies very well, but the tail is a little harder to tune and its just a little harder to setup and dial in. The cyclic feel of the Brain is awesome, but I just can't get the tail exactly like I want. Its close, but it always seems to overshoot if I speed it up and the stops get way too hard if I tweak other settings. BeastX in my opinion works well, is easy to setup, but just doesn't have a good feel in the air. I feel like it is somewhat outdated, but seems to be a great choice for beginners because it works great everytime with no tuning. It doesn't have any bad tendencies, just an unnatural cyclic feel. Vbar is by far the best flying system. Mikado has been doing this longer than anyone else and it shows. The setup is refined and it requires very little tuning other than setting gains. It is a little more picky about geometry than most of the others, but with a somewhat close mechanical setup it has the best feel in the air. You can buy them for around the same price as a Brain if you watch the forums and buy used. After trying all of the different systems the Vbar is my go to unit. If they would offer a true bailout mode like helicommand then there is no doubt that I would swap the whole fleet. I figure they could sell the units with either the basic sensor or one with accelerometers and do an update on the software and firmware. I would personally pay $500+ for a Vbar with a true bailout mode.

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09-01-2013 11:28 PM  5 years agoPost 22
ICUR1-2

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between the msh brain ,mini-v and sk540 I prefer the sk540

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09-02-2013 04:10 AM  5 years agoPost 23
Tbird

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Indiana

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I am kind of retracting my previous post. I first said iKon over vbar, however after flying an iKon quite a bit lately and tweaking the unit it has become a toss up....

I like the simplicity of the vbar settings a bit more, I did get the iKon to fly like I want, but it was a little bit more involved than set it and forget it with the vbar...

I honestly think you need to just try them both and develop your own opinion. I am sure everyone who has posted has completly different flight styles and needs they both fly totally different, but at the same time they fly very close good luck

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09-02-2013 09:06 AM  5 years agoPost 24
es1co2bar3

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winnetka california

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I have not use the Icon but the VbAR is too much in control.
5.2 is said to make the heli feel like flybar, but I hardly
notice any difference,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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09-04-2013 02:10 PM  5 years agoPost 25
blaiz1

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ikon vs vbar
I have had the Ikon and MSH Brain. Both had tail issue. I have no problems with any Vbar ever. Ill never go back to Ikon / Brain.
Vbar is way easy to setup. I buy used all the time. My last buy was a blue line Vbar Pro for 205.00 shipped. Ill take that anytime over any other unit.

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09-04-2013 03:51 PM  5 years agoPost 26
PPBAL

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V-bar
V-Bar mini (Blue) replaced my 3gx for Trex550e V2. Very stable flight.

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09-04-2013 05:07 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Tbird

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Indiana

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es1co2bar3

try 40 on flight style and 40 paddle sim if that doesn't feel like flybar nothing will

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09-04-2013 05:53 PM  5 years agoPost 28
shinysideUP

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Stop the nonsense, all the talk should be based on flying style. Each FBL unit has its own flavor to fit each individual needs, now some of you fan boys will say "well this one can do it all" nonsense, escobar and I have the same feeling about that unit. Preference has to do with how unit works with ones flying style and that unit should compliment that persons style. One FBL unit is not for all. I cant fly VBar just flies too weird on all of my helis, BeastX, SK540 or CGY maybe ones preference.

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09-04-2013 06:14 PM  5 years agoPost 29
snipealot

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Frederick, MD

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My vote is for V-Bar for ease of setup,tuning and flight performance. In my experience every V-Bar I have ever installed flew great right out of the box. I have tried the Ikon on my Diabolo and had pitching up in fast forward flight that I could just not tune out, slapped a V-Bar on there and problem solved, flew like a dream. If V-bar offered a self leveling/rescue mode like the Helicommand/Bavarian Demon unit then IMO it would be the ultimate FBL system.

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09-04-2013 08:28 PM  5 years agoPost 30
Santiago P

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South West, Ohio

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I have tried the Ikon on my Diabolo and had pitching up in fast forward flight that I could just not tune out, slapped a V-Bar on there and problem solved, flew like a dream. If V-bar offered a self leveling/rescue mode like the Helicommand/Bavarian Demon unit then IMO it would be the ultimate FBL system.
snipe,
Funny that you mention that. 7 months ago by Diabolo had the pitch up tendency on the HeliCommand stock settings. Once I learned the unit tuning the tendency went away and now I have the same sharp (nice) feel the VBar gave me previously, but now with a better tail.
HC/BavarianDemon have come a long ways and keeps getting better.

AND I'll say it, we all compare to VBar because they have lead the way, but we are catching up, and in some ways leading

Santiago
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09-04-2013 08:59 PM  5 years agoPost 31
Luvmyhelis

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Spokane, Washington. USA

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Yeah MPV, I have heard a number of my accredited friends who fly with the new BD say this controller is the best they have ever produced. I do have to say though. The proactive gov on the Silverline Vbar or even my own Sk720 Black equipped fleet are far more impressive. Not to mention the new gen pinpoint gyros. The Black has the same incredible tune ability as the Vbar. Which means you can get it to fly in any config you need it to be. Easy and docile up to wild perfectly controlled 3d. Full flybar feel to the numb robotic fbl feel if that's what a guy likes. And the best tail out there period. And now add in the bailout option or even Gps!

Any way you argue this. It is impossible to compare a $200 controller to a $400+ version. Regardless of brand.

One of the pilots who flew for Ikon was out with our club this last weekend. He gave us a total clinic on the most amazing 3d I have ever witnessed with his own personal helis. (even had the Ikon hat on) However his own two helis were equipped with another brand of controller I won't reveal. Think about that one! And warned me as we chatted that the Ikon bailout is problematic as is the tail. But he still prefers it over systems such as the beastx.

Old cranky heli builder

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09-05-2013 01:19 AM  5 years agoPost 32
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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The mini-v was the easiest to tune in
however the sk540 is very tunable and can be made to feel as good as a min-v but it took more effort to tune in.
The msh brain easy setup, not so easy to tune in, I had tail oscillations that took a lot of effort to tune out and is still not 100% to my liking.

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09-05-2013 02:31 AM  5 years agoPost 33
ZS-JAF

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Nazareth, PA

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Have yet to try the ikon but I would put up a VBAR against any thing. Tried 3GX, Beastx, AR7200BX, Skookum 540 and HC3SX. Very generic settings will work on basically all helis. Can the IKON be set to give you 3 100% different setups like the VBAR does with banking? Does it tell you how good your head geometry is?

I have a 3D heli, I don't understand why it doesn't do 3D.

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09-05-2013 03:06 AM  5 years agoPost 34
Tbird

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Indiana

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Ikon has 3 banks yes can do totally different setups I'm them all

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09-05-2013 04:03 AM  5 years agoPost 35
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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v-bar and ikon/msh brain aren't even in the same ball park IMO after recently getting a MSHbrain not saying the Ikon is junk but to compare it to V-bar is like compare a ford mustang to Ferrari

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09-05-2013 04:30 AM  5 years agoPost 36
Rob43

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Midland, MI USA

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Since I've only flown (3) FS Vbars, and (1) Mini Vbar, I can't comment on how well the newer units feel or fly. I've seen the new BD fly, and was very impressed as was the pilot who happened to be flying another's model.

That said, what I've not quite seen yet is for some updates to some of the FBL units to handle more power. Not tolerating more power, but channeling more. The FS Vbar has enough spare ports to handle an SBUS, or XBUS single line-in receiver, and still have at least a couple of places to run redundant power inputs. Running a Jive BEC with a pair of cables to the FBL unit needs a spare port besides throttle to feed the hungry servos. The MBV, on the other hand, needs a couple more ports. Single line input occupies a port I'd otherwise use for a second power feed.

If I am not mistaken, a single line receiver will take at least one power input, while the normal power input can come via throttle, so maybe it's not a real issue...just me trying to learn how I might run MVB with a newer radio with single line-in receivers.

Rob

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09-11-2013 12:21 PM  5 years agoPost 37
Gladiator

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...The bail out/self leveling/rescue mode on the Ikon just plain does not work, there is no way to dispute that. I have setup/flown Ikon and I own VBARs.
@laughingstill - could you please elaborate your statement? I have setup 6 iKONs and the bailout worked on all of them.

iKon, because I am connected to my heli, are you?

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09-11-2013 02:28 PM  5 years agoPost 38
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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I setup the IKON and it flew ok. when I went to use the bail out mode, the heli fell hard to the rear every time so I went back into setup to see if I missed something. It was setup as per the wizard's instructions so I checked my tx to see if I had any trims enabled in any of my modes...none. No strangeness in the tx or program and it was "perfect" as far as the setup went. It plain out would not level...it would hover just great and fly ok but the bail out was a never correct....

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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09-11-2013 05:39 PM  5 years agoPost 39
ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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ah I see you set up bailout but was the heli perfectly flat when you did?
It says in the instructions you may have to do more than once.
Plus vibes will mess with the auto level

I haven't tried mine yet. I am the auto level

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09-11-2013 05:43 PM  5 years agoPost 40
Ronald Thomas

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I made sure the heli was perfectly flat as well....vibes could have been it but it flew fine with no signs of vibes at all....

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