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08-29-2013 02:27 AM  5 years agoPost 61
GREYEAGLE

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Dusty has only fed you partial truth : Maybe 20% the Rest is what ??? a FALSEHOOD
Their is a LOT to the 80% which is NOT Truth. Fed with INTENTION

This is really Not a Syrian Civil WAR : Syrian vrs Syrian --- It is OVERFLOWING with Iranian's, just like Egypt ,Libia and several other location's.

They have over ran IRAQ / Afghanistan and several strategic areas'.

It is Not so Tribal as Dusty wishes to make you too believe. He Lied

Most of the Syrian secular peaceful population is in in several Hugh TENT cities along Jordan and Iraq and Lebanon. Egypt's problem are the same : BROTHERHOOD same as the activity in southern Turkey.

Several of them exceeding population's of OVER 100,000, can you imagine,

Iran AIr and Soviet Forces have been pouring modern hardware into the place since the beginning.

Air Corridor over the top of Afghanistan and Iraq are wide open for heavey's.

Soviet's have a Fairly large Navel Port Establishment - and for the 1st time they are sharing it with Iranian vessels. Iranians also made privilege for the very 1st time, to run the canal. Boot's walking off.

Never have they been allowed in that area.

Iranian Coot's Forces have been walking on to the soil since the beginning -Along in many other location's.

Sorry to say a lot of young Iranian boy's and married men will not ever return home.

Who is flying the modern hardware - Jet's and Choppers and modern munitions ? Where are the modern light weight aluminum APC's and tank's coming from.

Even more for digestion if you can re-call ? Just as this mess was winding up a year ago who was down at the water's edge - PRIOR to the Mass evacuation's ; It was BENEDICT.

Lobbing a few fish over the top of them - will unleash the full furry of them. ( The hat trick )

Soviets /Brother Hood - Iran + others / and many believe the Chinese are ready to Pump Hardware if they need it.

It is not Syrian vrs Syrian or Egyptian vrs Egyptian

It is the Koot's + others against a modern secular country

Gona have to solve the problem and not treat the symptom

Walk em ALL Home : With Peace and Grace

We ain't seen nothing yet :

P.S> Just a small nugget : Today Vandenberg Launched one heck of a heavy grunt payload - FATHER - Forgive em they don't know what they are doing .

A Delta IV Heavy About 14 Ton

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08-29-2013 08:52 AM  5 years agoPost 62
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Incomprehensible as usual grey,time for another shotYou live in the Matrix mate and a very superior one in your own mind.Super powers have bases all over the world,just so happens Obama has picked a fight where the Russians have interest.What would the U.S.A do in similar circumstances,walk away?I doubt it very much.Its all about strategic interests.Maybe there is a quick buck in WW3 somewhere,keep pushing

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08-29-2013 10:01 AM  5 years agoPost 63
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Who gives a rats a$$ about Russia? what are they going to do?....get mad? who cares. We shouldn't go into anything with Syria because its not our problem...tired of being the worlds police, let them deal with it. We can no longer afford it. we are broke, we are to busy funding stupidity, welfare, food stamps, green energy and obamacare and a slew of other worthless programs.

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08-29-2013 10:32 AM  5 years agoPost 64
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At least Russia has been consistent in wanting no intervention in Syria which is,it appears what most people want.Of course Russia wants no conflict with U.S.A.I doubt if Russia and China are scared any more than you are of them. They seem to give a rats a$$ where a strike at Syria might lead.

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08-29-2013 10:42 AM  5 years agoPost 65
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I doubt if Russia and China are scared any more than you are of them.
Well, I don't know about that....thanks to our idiot in charge in the white house.
They seem to give a rats a$$ where a strike at Syria might lead.
Well maybe because of their own direct interests...not because they are concerned at all about the Syrian people. They just like to poke us(meaning the USA)in the eye because they know our "leader" is a wuss and couldn't beat his way out of a wet paper bag.

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08-29-2013 10:53 AM  5 years agoPost 66
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There may very well be no winners at all in the Syria thing except for terrorists. They would love to see the USA pulled into it. That would give them an excuse to lob some missles at Israel. Once Israel gets pulled in and starts firing back in a big way, it's all out war with potentially Russia pulled in as well backing Syria and possibly Iran. Then Iran has an excuse to start lobbing missles at anyone including the Arabs. The suez canal gets closed. Egypt gets pulled into the war. The Suez Canal gets closed down. Terrorists states starts recruiting. Russia and china gets rich sellin arms. Oil prices skyrocket which gives the Obummer his wish that USA gas prices go through the roof. Commerce slows down in the USA. The USA stock market plunges down into full depression mode. A few terrorist bombs go off in a few shopping centers. Millions upon millions get lay off notices. ObummerCare kicks in and slows the economy even further.

Total death and chaos around the world as WWIII rolls along. Millions upon millions will die. Iran could launch a nuke at someone. That someone launches one back.

All the while the politicians in Washington DC are playing golf, eating caviar, planning rich vacations and lavish retirement packages with all expense paid health programs and world wide travel expenses paid in full.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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08-29-2013 11:13 AM  5 years agoPost 67
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Exactly Dennis,if you dont give a rats a$$ about China or Russia lets hope militarily they have respect,and everything in this world is done out of "interest"by all the parties concerned,Uk ,China,U.S.A,Russia and so on,that will never change.How far you go, in a rational manner,taking all into consideration is another thing.

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08-29-2013 01:15 PM  5 years agoPost 68
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There may very well be no winners at all in the Syria thing except for terrorists. They would love to see the USA pulled into it.
I'm sure all the rebels/terrorists that are fighting Assad would like the US to help them out.
That would give them an excuse to lob some missles at Israel.
Terrorists don't need an excuse. But while they are busy fighting Assad, there's no reason why they would attack Israel, as they know Israel would be likely to strike back at them.

That's not to say that some lone ''rebels'' won't fire the odd rocket at Israel as happened in Lebanon, but if Israel was to launch an all out attack at ''rebels'' in Syria, that would be to Assad's advantage; and it's clear that Israel is working against Assad.
Once Israel gets pulled in and starts firing back in a big way, it's all out war with potentially Russia pulled in as well backing Syria and possibly Iran.
Russia has already said that if the US attacks Syria, they won't try to stop the US, just that they won't do anything to help them. One thing's for sure, we wouldn't be so readily attacking countries in the middle east if the USSR was still around.

Syria has said that if the US attacks Syria, Syria will attack Israel, which is to be expected as from the perspective of people in the middle east, an attack by the US is generally seen as an attack by Israel, and vice versa. But I would question how likely that is to happen, given that Assad knows full well how Israel and/or the US would respond, if he attacked Israel. That would most certainly not be to his advantage.

Iran has no major enemies in the middle east apart from Israel and the Saudi police state. Iran also surely knows only too well how the US would respond if they attacked Saudi Arabia, and how Israel and the US would respond if they attacked Israel. Particularly given that Israel is itching to attack Iran as it is, it seems most unlikely that Iran would attack any other country expect in self-defence.

In any case, David Cameron has been forced to back down until Parliament sees proof of his claims that Assad used chemical weapons.

So Obama might need to go it alone, or perhaps the French will lend a hand to try to give him some credibility.

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08-29-2013 01:21 PM  5 years agoPost 69
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Terrorists don't need an excuse. But while they are busy fighting Assad, there's no reason why they would attack Israel, as they know Israel would be likely to strike back at them.
And if Israel did that, ti would be a rallying cry world wide for Radical Islam. At least, that might be the way the terrorist look at it.
That's not to say that some lone ''rebels'' won't fire the odd rocket at Israel as happened in Lebanon, but if Israel was to launch an all out attack at ''rebels'' in Syria, that would be to Assad's advantage; and it's clear that Israel is working against Assad.
But, why would Assad care? Reports are that he ran off to Iran. Besides, our side has already said, "This will not be for Regime Change" That is dumb in my mind. If you go after the criminals get away driver, then the criminal just gets another driver.

So, no matter what, Assad walks a free man.

For the time being anyway.

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08-29-2013 02:01 PM  5 years agoPost 70
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Just been reported on BBC Radio 4 that Russia is moving more ships to the Mediterranean.

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08-29-2013 02:21 PM  5 years agoPost 71
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We Absolutley LOVE the MATRIX : It Been DONE BEFORE : Two Sides of The Coin
You can refer to it as the Cultural Split : The Truth of Life

Cultural Split :
One is the Giver's.
Those that go thru a short term Sacrifice for a long term GOAL.
Our Culture does not believe in doing that crap of killing each other or Campaigning with siege machines to concur territory. We NEVER HAVE

Most of the places are barren rocks, in a mud puddle, a abandon Lilly pad or places you pound rocks into sand - hoping some day some thing will grow.

This Globe is littered with Crosses /making the sacrifice to protect "others" - the innocent . Why we are know as " When the Saint's Go Marching In " Short Term - For the long term goal.

Call Em they will come: To save us from ourselves : We are Eating each other again. Now we have Exploding Spaghetti Pot's and London has Public BE Heading.

We have done it for who Knows how many cultures - Find the Location's of the Crosses - the markers of the Saint's and the Freedom and Liberty left for the innocent to raise their babies. INTEGRITY AND HONESTY BASED UPON TRUTH = GRACE

It seems to only hold " PEACE" for a Limited Time : WHY ?????

They Will Not walk in LOVE for the sweet innocent sacrifice that was made. The children of disobedience.

The OTHER Side: Of the Cultural Split
The Side of the "Taker's" - They HATE LIFE and Will BLOW THEMSELVES UP or to take the Innocent with them. THEMSELVES

Worse than LIVING on the Raged Edge. CONTINUALLY BUILDING SIEGE MACHINES- Not for Defense but for OFFENSE - To Take from the Innocent. They Covet the Theft of Others.

Never Understanding Family Style or LOVE or Compassion, Forgiveness - To be Separated from the Behavior of pestilence and death. ( HOLY )

Only prime goal is to obtain or " To -SEEK " from the Innocent.

Their are TWO Side's of the Same Coin:
One side of the Coin Everyone Know's of : THE LAMB

On that same coin their is the OTHER SIDE which they forget or are oblivious - THEY FORGOT

We are not ignorant of the devices. The Cultural Split.

A Tiger can always whip a Lion

But 5 Tiger's cannot whip 5 Lion's

Know the other side of the Coin

Why Five Lion's can decimate the 5 Tiger's

The Cultural Split: They alway's have defeated themselves -and have never moved forward :

Walk Em back Home with Peace and Forgiveness : Go back - they have no desire to move forward

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08-29-2013 03:20 PM  5 years agoPost 72
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I hope us toy heli pilots can figure out the best course of action soon. The world waits for our opinion.

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08-29-2013 03:30 PM  5 years agoPost 73
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I don't understand this reasoning ?????
“Targets would be headquarters, command posts, air defense, air fields, and some fielded forces, while avoiding places that Bashar himself is likely to lurk,” predicts John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, who estimates such an attack to total 150-200 Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Unlike Libya, where the goal was to get rid of dictator Qaddafi, that would not be the case with Mr. Assad.
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Anybody want to explain why they would avoid eliminating Mr. Assad ?
Perhaps to keep the internal Syrian war going ?? Really depressing.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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08-29-2013 03:49 PM  5 years agoPost 74
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Anybody want to explain why they would avoid eliminating Mr. Assad ?
Perhaps to keep the internal Syrian war going ?? Really depressing.
I doubt it.

In the first place, its already been said that Assad ran away to Iran. That would not surprise me as dictators are usually cowards anyway.

In the second place, our side has already said that this is not about "Regime Change" In other words, they will not directly go after Assad.

Well maybe.

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08-29-2013 04:05 PM  5 years agoPost 75
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our side has already said that this is not about "Regime Change" In other words, they will not directly go after Assad.
I would say the same thing if I was after him in the hopes he would not leave.....but then I would play to win.

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08-29-2013 04:15 PM  5 years agoPost 76
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I hope us toy heli pilots can figure out the best course of action soon. The world waits for our opinion.

That's GREAT! Thanks for the chuckle!

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08-29-2013 04:17 PM  5 years agoPost 77
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And if Israel did that, ti would be a rallying cry world wide for Radical Islam. At least, that might be the way the terrorist look at it.
Exactly. Radical Islam against Israel. So it's in Israel's interests to stay in the background and let them all fight each other.

It's hard to distinguish between a ''rebel'' and a ''terrorist'' in this instance. Some of the groups attacking Assad are ''rebels'' from our point of view, while others have been designated as terrorist organisations, but if any ''rebels'' were to attack Israel then they would also be ''terrorists.''
But, why would Assad care?
The most obvious reason would be that he wants to remain in power.
Reports are that he ran off to Iran.
Prior to that, he had been living on a Russian warship and only ventured into Syria for meetings etc. But if the Hamas can rule Gaza with their chief living in Damascus or Qatar, only having visited Gaza once, there's no reason why Assad would have to be in Syria to remain in charge there.

The Polish government in WW2 weren't cowards for having fled to the UK when Poland was attacked, any more than Assad is a coward for not living in Syria.

The French were the ones that surrendered, so they are the cowards.

I suspect Assad is trying to rally up support from Iran for a foreign attack on Syria, as Syria has a defensive agreement with Iran. But I doubt very much that whatever support he gets from Iran would amount to as much as Iran outright attacking any other country, for the reasons I mentioned.
Besides, our side has already said, "This will not be for Regime Change" That is dumb in my mind.
If the intention is to tip the balance once again in the ''rebels'' favour, then a one-off military strike could serve that purpose. One thing the ''rebels'' don't have is an airforce, so it would be reasonable to expect to see at least some of Syria's airforce destroyed if Obama attacks.
So, no matter what, Assad walks a free man.
For the time being anyway.
Even if he remains a free man, or as free as one would expect in Russia or Iran, the days of his regime are surely numbered if the US gives the ''rebels'' a helping hand.

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08-29-2013 04:24 PM  5 years agoPost 78
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I would say the same thing if I was after him in the hopes he would not leave.....but then I would play to win.
Well, heck yeah. Accidentally of course.

Then, I would take out his air power completely. Then go after his entire military leadership and entire military complex including all WMD's. completely remove his ability to wage war on Israel or anyone else as quickly as possible. As little as 3 days. Max 5 days they are dead and gone.

But, I don't have much faith that our present leadership has the balls to go a the way with this. They might go with a soft approach and just lib a few tomahawks at them.

Either way it could get out of control very quickly if not planned and executed well.

Especially if Israel is bit hard.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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08-29-2013 04:26 PM  5 years agoPost 79
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Syria is a population of approx 21 million. It has been estimated the war has killed 100,000 . So if we don't kill Assad, then it will take about 200 years for Syria to become totally extinct by self destruction. Of course this assumes a constant 100,000 deaths a year which is not realistic.
Is this how my government thinks ???
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Yes, I did take some extreme liberty with some of the on line statistics. It is just to question the decisions and statements made by the current administration.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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08-29-2013 04:53 PM  5 years agoPost 80
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3 to 5 days Dennis,that long?

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