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08-28-2013 03:09 AM  5 years agoPost 41
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08-28-2013 03:23 AM  5 years agoPost 42
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Any decision made should keep OBAMA UP at NITE : OWNERSHIP

It could effect Million's for Ever

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08-28-2013 03:30 AM  5 years agoPost 43
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Any decision made should keep OBAMA UP at NITE : OWNERSHIP
He'll be to exhausted from his golf game to worry about it.

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08-28-2013 03:41 AM  5 years agoPost 44
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Fill their Pocket's full of Love !!!
As much as they can carry - Put them on a Love Boat : Send Em Home - Too tell the story of LOVE of a Benevolent Society - WHo WE ARE !!

THEm Yank's & Jerry's don't do this crap to each other - We HAve SEEN THEIR LAND

They will Not Ever Stop and have never stopped for Centuries.

Teach the Light of the World : Why WE do NOT

THey will NEver LEARN : Freedom and Liberty and True Independence :

Until it is seeded with those who HAD it - But Lost IT ! Do To The Behavior and Lack of Trust among peaceful Societies - those that OWN the SOIL

Take the Lesson Home : This is How It Begins !

Take it back with their Heart's - TO ALL of OUR HOME LAND's

TEACH IT - DO NOT KILL EACH OTHER

Till they have a FAITH We ALL Can Believe IN

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08-28-2013 08:40 AM  5 years agoPost 45
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It aint about faith it,s all about money.

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08-28-2013 09:49 AM  5 years agoPost 46
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08-28-2013 10:24 AM  5 years agoPost 47
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Which begs the question,what is so important to even contemplate getting involved in this free for all,none of this can end well and only make more enemies.long term it has to be about something they have that we want,otherwise it makes no sense.The bloodshed in Iraq is being totally ignored now,so it aint"Humanitarian"reasons.Bombing will only kill more and make a bad situation worse.I suppose with Syria neutralized it leaves the battlefield clear for Iran.

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08-28-2013 12:01 PM  5 years agoPost 48
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Well, you know that Obama is going to make Syria a peaceful democracy, just like he did for Egypt.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-28-2013 12:19 PM  5 years agoPost 49
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Big taxpayer bill on the way for a lot of missiles,still at least there is still plenty of cheese for the arms manufacturers.Money to burn.

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08-28-2013 01:52 PM  5 years agoPost 50
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Now this is a chuckel :
Big taxpayer bill on the way for a lot of missiles,still at least there is still plenty of cheese for the arms manufacturers.Money to burn.
Heck their IS NO Such Thing as Taxpayer Money - OR Money to burn ??? Or Excess Cheese unless you are referring to debt ????

They ate all the Cheese -Why they are running around like mice.

We are 17 TRILLION in DEBT + the unfunded Debt " Detroit's "

If they think we our going to pay our debt - based up INTEGRITY : or Honesty of a Judea/ Christian Nation ? all the good thing's and blessings that go with it ?? Those Day's are Long Gone

They burned some 40 + churches and several businesses : Even executed some Priest's.

We aren't going to work just to blow it up : or light it on fire.

Put US of A in DEBT : For Their Pleasure of Solving Their Problem's ??

Just let them other's pay for it and back charge it on the failed performance guarantee they signed.

We got em by the tail Put it on their EBT card - International AID But we are Out of Cheese

Fooled em: It was a Tail Light Warranty -We Be Gone !
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Just gona take the cost out of the Food THEY EAT to Pay THEIR BILL
Get ready for Yummy

Pretty soon they will be down to bark & bug's and washing cloth diapers - before they put them back on their head.

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08-28-2013 02:02 PM  5 years agoPost 51
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The "Cheese"was sarcasm grey

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08-28-2013 02:06 PM  5 years agoPost 52
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Wait till they get a chance to use the New Industrial Power House :

Chinese tooth paste and toilet paper - Maybe a Iranian Candy bar or Bottle of Beer or a Bar of soap from the Soviet's .

PS. Stay away from that tooth paste and DO NOT DRINK IRANIAN WATER

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08-28-2013 04:29 PM  5 years agoPost 53
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The overwhelming majority here in the US wants nothing to do with Syria.
Stay out.
But, is that going to happen.
Somehow, I doubt it. The Obummer and his pals need another distraction.
That's much the same as in the UK. Most people here don't want to attack Syria, but the politicians do.

Our governments don't seem so concerned with what we actually want, but more with how much we will tolerate.

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08-28-2013 04:33 PM  5 years agoPost 54
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Here's an interesting article from the Telegraph.
Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia’s gas contracts, if the Kremlin backs away from the Assad regime in Syria.

Leaked transcripts of a closed-door meeting between Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan shed an extraordinary light on the hard-nosed Realpolitik of the two sides.

Prince Bandar, head of Saudi intelligence, allegedly confronted the Kremlin with a mix of inducements and threats in a bid to break the deadlock over Syria. “Let us examine how to put together a unified Russian-Saudi strategy on the subject of oil. The aim is to agree on the price of oil and production quantities that keep the price stable in global oil markets,” he said at the four-hour meeting with Mr Putin. They met at Mr Putin’s dacha outside Moscow three weeks ago.

The talks appear to offer an alliance between the OPEC cartel and Russia, which together produce over 40m barrels a day of oil, 45pc of global output. Such a move would alter the strategic landscape.

The Putin-Bandar meeting was stormy, replete with warnings of a “dramatic turn” in Syria. Mr Putin was unmoved by the Saudi offer, though western pressure has escalated since then. “Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters,” he said, referring to footage showing a Jihadist rebel eating the heart and liver of a Syrian soldier.
More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...rops-Syria.html

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08-28-2013 04:57 PM  5 years agoPost 55
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I don't have a problem with humanitarian aid. Thats always a good thing.

But, in this case, arming either side is a mistake as history has shown and many have pointed out here.

Also, if Assad goes, who the heck fills the vacuum?

Someone worse? Someone the same? Someone better? Once again, based on history, it don't look good anyway you look at it.

Mostly, I do not trust our present regime. If Bush was a disaster (I don't think he was), then this present group could very easily be catastrophic. So far, their record is abysmal at best.

This thing will not end well if it ends at all. I think we have been pulled into this with an agenda.

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08-28-2013 05:09 PM  5 years agoPost 56
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Nothin New : Tell Them In Advance - The Commander in Chief
Were Gona / Yup - Where GONa - Yup

Saber Rattling and Telegraphing : I'll Tell Your DAd !!

I'll Call em !!!!

Telling you - you better be scared -

Not If but When : It's a RED Line - We are Gona

Will move the Line - again / op's let's move it one more time

Were gona / Where gona / Where gona

NOT if But When ---started a YEAR AGO !

That Red LINE is nothing more than the Muslim Brother Hood Red Raspberry

POTUS SAY's : Hurry and Hide your stuff - Hurry up and get out of their -Cause were Gona - Not if But WHEN

Not OUR PROBLEM - THEIR PROBLEM

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08-28-2013 06:18 PM  5 years agoPost 57
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Fecking racist warmongering bloodthirsty liar oil theiving democrats!

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08-28-2013 07:58 PM  5 years agoPost 58
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I don't have a problem with humanitarian aid. Thats always a good thing.
I agree, just as long as it's restricted to non-combatants and the injured, as providing any other aid to combatants amounts to interfering in civil wars in other countries.
Also, if Assad goes, who the heck fills the vacuum?
This is the thing. The ''rebel'' groups are hardly allies. For example there is a Kurdish rebel group fighting both the Assad regime and other ''rebel'' groups, because they want an autonomous Kurdish state.

The ''rebel'' group that's reported to be the most effective ''rebel'' group in Syria is the Al-Nusra Front, which is an Al-Qaeda affiliate and is designated by most western countries to be a terrorist organisation.

But it's not hard to see why they would be popular among many of the local people, just so long as they like Sharia law, as seemingly they get lots of ''free stuff.''
The al-Qaida-affiliated commander in charge of the oil company in Shadadi, eastern Syria – a lean, broad-shouldered man who is followed everywhere by a machete-wielding bodyguard – was explaining the appeal of jihadi rule to the people of the newly captured town.

"Go and ask the people in the streets whether there a liberated town or city anywhere in Syria that is ruled as efficiently as this one," he boasted. "There is electricity, water and bread and security. Inshallah, this will be the nucleus of a new Syrian Islamic caliphate!"

The al-Nusra Front, the principle jihadi rebel group in Syria, defies the cliche of Islamist fighters around the Middle East plotting to establish Islamic caliphates from impoverished mountain hideaways. In north-eastern Syria, al-Nusra finds itself in command of massive silos of wheat, factories, oil and gas fields, fleets of looted government cars and a huge weapons arsenal.

The commander talked about the services al-Nusra is providing to Shadadi's residents. First, there is food: 225 sacks of wheat, baked into bread and delivered to the people every day through special teams in each neighbourhood. Then there is free electricity and water, which run all day throughout the town. There is also al-Nusra healthcare, provided from a small clinic that treats all comers, regardless of whether they have sworn allegiance to the emirate or not. Finally, there is order and the promise of swift justice, delivered according to sharia law by a handful of newly appointed judges.

"God has chosen us to provide security to the people, and we do it for nothing," he said. "We have vowed to sacrifice ourselves to serve the people. If we leave, the tribes will start killing each other for the oil and the loot. We had to show force in dealing with the tribes. Even now, one to three people are killed every day because of feuding over the oil. We also protect the silos of wheat. All the silos are under our protection.

"All this wealth," he said, "is for the Muslims."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ra-front-jihadi
That pretty much sums up Al-Qaeda's vision of the middle east. Bin Laden thought he could start an Islamic Caliphate in Afghanistan, and now all the other Al-Qaeda affiliated groups that have sprung up since then are trying to do the same all over the middle east and North Africa.

It's like socialism and Islam combined.

Syrian civilians have said that they are surprised that the west is not supporting the Syrian regime, as they are fighting against this fast spreading ideology, that they know we are also fighting against in other countries.

Regardless of our support for other ''rebels'' who are also fighting against Assad, Assad's forces have begun to take back control of Al-Nusra's ''caliphate.''
An official source said that the army units destroyed terrorists' gatherings in the villages and towns of Kafr Najid, Ein al-Bayda, Aryeha, Maar Tamsarin , al-Shwyeha, Tal Damen, Kafr Sajna, Maaret al-Nouman and Kafrouma in Idlib countryside.

Amy units inflict heavy losses upon terrorists in al-Hasaka

Units of the armed forces carried out a special operation against a terrorists' gathering in al-Shadadi city, killing and injuring scores of terrorists and destroying their weapons and equipment.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstex...=13920606001073
Not so long ago it seemed that the regime forces had almost retreated to Damascus, but now they seem to have taken back most strategic areas in Syria, with support from Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. So a one-off military strike by the US and it's allies would seem to be intended to tip the balance once again in the rebels' favour, and so prolong the conflict, whatever the eventual outcome might be.

One thing we are consistent in, whether it's intentional or not, is that we're helping to transform the middle east from authoritarian but stable secular states with powerful dictators and powerful armies, into unstable radical Islamic states with weak ''democratic'' governments and little in the way of any armed forces.

So perhaps the idea is to deplete Syria's armed forces, without giving too much in the way of advanced weapons to any ''rebels,'' then when Assad falls which is surely only a matter of time, it won't matter so much to our governments or Israel who takes over. And all the better if Syria can be divided up into more than one state, for the same reason as the British and French divided the Ottoman empire up into different states.

On the face of it, the danger would seem to be that Al-Qaeda will continue to spread. Some Al-Qaeda group fired four rockets into Israel the other day from Lebanon. Israel of course rightly defended itself with an airstrike at the ''rebels.''

Israel has also carried out a few airstrikes against the Assad regime in recent months, notably destroying a batch of anti-ship missiles that Syria had just received from Russia, which could only be used against a foreign attack from the sea, such as the one we are about to mount.

It's been said that the British never truly colonised India, but that we just managed the internal conflicts to our advantage. That seems to be pretty much what we're doing in the middle east nowadays. Consider how successfully Israel has ''managed'' the Israeli/Palestinian conflict for so long, and how easily it defeated all of it's neighbours in 1967.

As long as the rest of the middle east is divided up into defenceless weak states full of people with different ideologies with governments barely in control, they won't be much of a threat to anyone but themselves and each other.

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08-28-2013 09:14 PM  5 years agoPost 59
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Have to agree with that assessment,instability appears to be the order of the day.

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08-28-2013 09:49 PM  5 years agoPost 60
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I think that Dusty has "hit the nail on the head". Nothing else can explain the west's policies in this matter.
I for one fears what will come of this after it all shakes out.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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