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08-28-2013 08:56 PM  5 years agoPost 421
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http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...titutional?lite

In fact, if it were true that the state of Texas required its public schools to teach both evolution and creationism, that would almost certainly be unconstitutional.

State officials and school officials, though, said there is no Texas law or state education standard requiring the teaching of both. Instead, again, state-education policy requires students to "analyze, evaluate, and critique" the scientific basis for evolution. Defenders of the governor said he was merely describing what often happens in classrooms, as students discuss the merits of evolution versus creationism.

In other words, some ignorant as hell creationist trash are flat ruining the chances for a real education for students not burdened with religious mythology

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08-28-2013 09:06 PM  5 years agoPost 422
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And some more frothing at the mouth quotes from outhouse:
This is a ignorant interpretation.
Science ignores god.

Now in these forums it is a free for all, you discount science you know nothing about, so we discount your god, you also know nothing about.
In other words, some ignorant as hell creationist trash are flat ruining the chances for a real education for students not burdened with religious mythology
Really??

Outhouse, you have absolutely no ability to articulate any of your thoughts in a normal reasonable manner so all you can do is resort to inuendos and personal attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with you.

You must stay up late at light just stewing about these posts, so upset that people aren't agreeing with you just getting madder and madder,

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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08-28-2013 10:49 PM  5 years agoPost 423
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Speaking of fossils- and since this is a discussion I'm very interested hearing from some folks about this: how did the petrified forest in Arizona form? What does evolutionary theory say about that? From what evidence or examples can we base this?
I'm betting you are a fan of John Morris.

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08-28-2013 11:26 PM  5 years agoPost 424
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Outhouse, you have absolutely no ability to articulate any of your thoughts in a normal reasonable manner so all you can do is resort to inuendos and personal attacks on anyone who doesn't agree with you.
As a father I despise those that try and rob my childs possibility for a real scientific education in public schools. Forcing religious dogma like a islamic fundy claiming magic is real science.

As a heli forum member I have no problem with what you believe.

When you start lying and mouthing off against science when your ignorant as hell about it and hypocritical ta boot, ya it does bother me that people are still this stupid.

To top it off, I havent met a member yet that knows theology in the slightest.

So what we really have is a bunch of angry theist ignorant to science and theology, that cannot stand that evolution is considered higher education in universities around the world.

Creationism is a problem here and in Turkey by islamic fundies, no where in the world is the problem as large as it is.

And thank you for attacking me since you dont have the intellect to join the debate.

Everyone is on equal footing, I wont tolerate lies at all though.

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08-28-2013 11:58 PM  5 years agoPost 425
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Forcing religious dogma like a islamic fundy claiming magic is real science.
- outhouse.

What on earth are you talking about? Where in this thread has "a islamic fundy" given any dogmatic posting whatsoever? Never mind, I'm not sure we really want an answer.

Phaedrus, not sure I know who John Morris is. EDIT*- okay yes I've certainly familiar with the Institute for Creation Research. I've not read from them on the subject of petrified wood. Fan? I'm a fan of Jesus of Nazareth. *

In any case, I think the formation of petrified wood, or permineralized wood is very interesting. Some sources have claimed that it took perhaps millions of years to form; but we have examples of cataclysmic events forming what appear to be petrified "forests" in a very short time.

So I wonder what date we get if we radiologically test this wood. And I wonder if other animal or plant fossils form in a similar way. Honestly I have not looked much into this, but yes expect that it might be evidence not supporting uniformitarian geology, but rather evidence of abrupt, powerful events.

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08-29-2013 12:38 AM  5 years agoPost 426
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but we have examples of cataclysmic events forming what appear to be petrified "forests" in a very short time.
Really?

Where?
but yes expect that it might be evidence not supporting uniformitarian geology, but rather evidence of abrupt, powerful events.
So you think there was a global flood? is that where your going?

If so, what is the exact date of said flood?

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08-29-2013 12:55 AM  5 years agoPost 427
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What on earth are you talking about?
I stated "Forcing religious dogma "like a" islamic fundy claiming magic is real science".

Are you or are you not, claiming magic instead of a natural process for biology?

Only one other country has a creationist problem like the USA and that is a Islamic fundy country, Turkey.

Both USA and Turkey have creationist problems due to religion.

http://ncse.com/news/2006/12/creationism-turkey-00976

Adding to the creationism sightings around the world, Reuters (November 22, 2006) ran a story on Islamic creationism in Turkey, where "[s]cientists say pious Muslims in the government, which has its roots in political Islam, are trying to push Turkish education away from its traditionally secular approach." The main source of antievolution propaganda in Turkey is Harun Yahya -- a pseudonym probably for a pool of writers, headed by Adnan Oktar -- which, as Taner Edis told Reuters, "has managed to create a media-based and popular form of creationism." Efforts to popularize "intelligent design" in Turkey are lagging, Reuters suggests, because most Turks "see no need to avoid naming God," but Education Minister Huseyin Celik recently told CNN Turk that "intelligent design" should not be disregarded just "because it coincides with beliefs of monotheistic religions about creation."

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08-29-2013 01:18 AM  5 years agoPost 428
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This illustrates how creationist are the laughing stock of Europe and considered dangerous

http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Doc/Xre...751&Language=EN

The dangers of creationism in education

2. Creationism, born of the denial of the evolution of species through natural selection, was for a long time an almost exclusively American phenomenon. Today creationist ideas are tending to find their way into Europe and their spread is affecting quite a few Council of Europe member states.

3. The prime target of present-day creationists, most of whom are Christian or Muslim, is education. Creationists are bent on ensuring that their ideas are included in the school science syllabus. Creationism cannot, however, lay claim to being a scientific discipline.

4. Creationists question the scientific character of certain items of knowledge and argue that the theory of evolution is only one interpretation among others. They accuse scientists of not providing enough evidence to establish the theory of evolution as scientifically valid. On the contrary, they defend their own statements as scientific. None of this stands up to objective analysis.

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08-29-2013 02:21 AM  5 years agoPost 429
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Zealot VS zealot.

Tune in next week when we discover that both sides have convinced nobody of anything.

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08-29-2013 02:27 AM  5 years agoPost 430
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As a father I despise those that try and rob my childs possibility for a real scientific education in public schools. Forcing religious dogma like a islamic fundy claiming magic is real science.
If anyone if "forcing" as you put it, then it is evolution over creation being "forced" not the other way around. I hove no idea of what your education is, mine just getting out of college 3 years ago was that "all" the teachers pushed evolution over creation. And while that was their personal veiws, They also allowed all their students to belive in what they perfered, unlike you.

You have such a dogmatic attack attitude you don't realize how rediculous you sound.

Every comment you have made is attacking others for simply what they believe in. YOU refuse to allow others to belive in what they want as they personally perfer, instead your comments are constantly making accusations, insults and in many cases outright lies trying to prove your point.

You dogmaticly write a statement them insist that it is beyond any doubt 100% fact without any real basis for it,

You post your opinion and regardless of that fact it is just your opinion then you demand that it must be true.

Other then the helicopter or the greyeagle guys I haven't seen anyone for creationism post anything inflamitory or insulting. You lump EVERYONE that belives in a creator in the same catagory and that is very unfair and insulting of you.

You really should accept the fact that not all creationists believe the same, nor do all scientists believe the same.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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08-29-2013 02:27 AM  5 years agoPost 431
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Creationist wont ever change their mind. They have been closed for a long time.

This debate is for those that have not been brainwashed as of yet.

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08-29-2013 02:29 AM  5 years agoPost 432
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Your as much a zealot as helicopter is in his belief you just dont know it.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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08-29-2013 02:36 AM  5 years agoPost 433
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"all" the teachers pushed evolution over creation.
Because creation is not science.

But don't let your guard down, creationist trash are trying to fight tooth and nail to ruin our children's educations in public schools.
Every comment you have made is attacking others for simply what they believe in.
You don't have the intellect to even read properly, or know when to shut up.

I have been debating Tom for over 2 years on this topic.

And I caught Matt posting lies, as well as Tom. I don't care if their too ignorant to know better or not. They both refuse to answer pertinent questions glossing over what ever they want to promote religious ideas instead of science.

You had a chance to post credibly and peacefully, well you blew that. Somehow I think you know better then to stick your nose in here where it doesn't belong.

Theist can believe in what ever the hell they want. So far none have had the sacks to come in here and say, "this is what I believe, but I know its not scientific, and I'm not trying to replace modern science" I love theism and I would shake his hand for his honesty. its not what were getting here.

In this thread if you attack science, don't whine like little school girls when your called out for it after lying or posting lies!

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08-29-2013 02:44 AM  5 years agoPost 434
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only lies I saw posted were yours.

Your not worth the wasted time to try and reason with. You have absolutely no ability or brain power to comprehend outside of your own line of thought. I am done. Enjoy your little world.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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08-29-2013 02:51 AM  5 years agoPost 435
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Really there should be a flow chart to stop the ignorance.

#1. OEC or YEC?

YEC? do not pass go, your not debatable and a embarrassment to humanity. And have no business discussing anything publicly.

Your failure to accept credible education and knowledge leaves you not in a position to debate anyone ever.

Agree or disagree?

#2. OEC. So you agree with geology and many departments of science. Wonderful.

Do you believe in evolution, or ID, or theistic evolution?

ID? Why, there is no evidence at all, not a shred. Even the bible states it went down differently. So now your making stuff up whole cloth fiction. ID is a modern construct to force creation into public schools. You should be ashamed of yourself for following into a trap by those who prey on your severe ignorance.

Theistic evolution? let me shake your hand for not discounting modern education, and you have the ability to reason, and your mind is not closed.

Evolution. Your a champ and probably understand theism better then most people you know.

#3. Where is there one single thing in nature that can be attributed to any deity of the thousands ever created and worshipped by man?

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08-29-2013 02:53 AM  5 years agoPost 436
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only lies I saw posted were yours
Where?

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08-29-2013 02:53 AM  5 years agoPost 437
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Theist can believe in what ever the hell they want. So far none have had the sacks to come in here and say, "this is what I believe, but I know its not scientific, and I'm not trying to replace modern science" I love theism and I would shake his hand for his honesty. its not what were getting here.
I believe in God whole heartedly and unfortunately I don't have all the answers, however, I cannot accept the fact that science disproves his existence.
When I hear knowlegable people, both God fearing and athiests, expound how things like a single cell works...it only reinforces my belief in God.

The lot I got is not a lot, but I thank God a lot for the lot I got!

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08-29-2013 02:55 AM  5 years agoPost 438
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Theist can believe in what ever the hell they want. So far none have had the sacks to come in here and say, "this is what I believe, but I know its not scientific, and I'm not trying to replace modern science" I love theism and I would shake his hand for his honesty. its not what were getting here.

In this thread if you attack science, don't whine like little school girls when your called out for it after lying or posting lies!
Now that's not TRUE at all outhouse, I did just what you said no one has done, I'll say it again, and maybe it will sink in, I believe in Jesus Christ to be the son of God, I don't push my believe's on any one, as it is Free Will, that lets everyone make there own choice!!! I do believe in Science, I believe in Evolution, Because it's God'S design! I do not have a collage degree in any thing, but I have LIFE'S degree!! You say that science is something that is tangable, something that can be proven, RIGHT? Well here is one for you to think about, You say you have a daughter, and you love her correct?? PROVE IT!! XGM/VGM

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08-29-2013 02:56 AM  5 years agoPost 439
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Congrats Mike for being reasonable.

Science doesn't try and disprove his existence.

Hats off to you!

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08-29-2013 03:03 AM  5 years agoPost 440
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Science doesn't try and disprove his existence.
What??? Every post that you have done to this date is saying, THERE IS NO GOD, IT'S A LIE!! You are starting to sound like a used car saleman,,, Now who is showing there ignorance. XGM/VGM

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