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08-27-2013 03:01 PM  5 years agoPost 381
helimatt

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Yes, what appear to be small genetic changes and differences in the function of DNA/RNA, markers, epigenic modifications; we have much much much to learn about how these subtle differences play out in morphology and behavior. Remember "junk DNA"? Nonsense, turns out we just don't yet understand all the functions.

But if there are NO genetic differences, then the adaptation would be expression of what is already inherent to the "kind". So I'd like to see more about this particular lizard study; we cannot make conclusions directly from the observations they've made so far. BTW, it appears the lizard could digest plant matter before, but preferred insects when available. They adapted; you can call it evolution which it is in the strictest sense. But not a controlled experiment, incomplete data; so not good science (yet).

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08-27-2013 03:02 PM  5 years agoPost 382
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Phaedrus, which of my posts display lack of critical thinking? Where did I say "God said it" or to that effect? We're discussing evolution and the evidence, assumptions, conclusions.

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08-27-2013 03:10 PM  5 years agoPost 383
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quote from detailed mitochondrial DNA study of the lizards (emphasis mine):
Genetic mitochondrial DNA analyses indicate that the lizards currently on Pod Mrèaru are indeed P. sicula and are genetically indistinguishable from lizards from the source population [supporting information (SI) Fig. 5].
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2290806/

I have not yet read the complete report- but will its a very interestng development.

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08-27-2013 05:08 PM  5 years agoPost 384
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The Bible can be used as a class textbook
Look what kind of garbage Tom posted

There is over 2600 universities that teach evolution.

Theres under 75 that teach creation, of those most are bible schools teaching theology.

Your child attend's anyone of these schools, he would be laughed out of any biology position ever offered. Why?

Because companies dont hire liars and fools

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08-27-2013 05:15 PM  5 years agoPost 385
Thomas L Erb

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Strait from wiki oh frothing one

Main article: Creation and evolution in public education in the United States
In the United States, creationists and proponents of evolution are engaged in a long-standing battle over the legal status of creation and evolution in the public school science classroom.[67]
There are states that teach the criticisms of evolution, such as Kansas and Ohio. And others who teach Creationism along with evolution, including Kentucky. Colorado and New York are two states that do teach evolution, but it is up to the schools, teachers, and counties on how this subject is taught and portrayed to the students. (Boyle 2005). There are several factors that decide what is taught in public schools. Texas tends to set the standards for textbooks throughout the country. The Institute of Educational Sciences is the research part of the Board of Education. They also help decide what will be taught in schools.[68]

So who's lying now

This is settled and not open for debate either because wiki said sooooo!

Turbo that is your choice about you child's education. Just remember to thank a soldier for still having that right

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08-27-2013 05:47 PM  5 years agoPost 386
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Your lying, you quote mining devil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creati...e_United_States

First post links like above.

United States District Court Judge John E. Jones III stated thus in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, 2005:

We have concluded that Intelligent Design is not science, and moreover that I.D. cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious antecedents.[46]

The line is crossed only when creationism is taught as science, just as it would be if a teacher were to proselytize a particular religious belief.

Otherwords, you cannot pass off that creationist trash in a science class

creationism may be discussed in a civics, current affairs, philosophy, or comparative religions class where the intent is to factually educate students about the diverse range of human political and religious beliefs.

you cannot pass off that creationist trash in a science class

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08-27-2013 06:00 PM  5 years agoPost 387
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And others who teach Creationism along with evolution, including Kentucky
Wrong.

May 16, 2013

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ze-to-students/

In an email to JCPS principals the day after the LACES meeting, Superintendent Donna Hargens noted that “Creationism and Intelligent Design are not part of the state science curriculum standards and are not taught.”

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08-27-2013 06:14 PM  5 years agoPost 388
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08-27-2013 09:34 PM  5 years agoPost 389
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I'm sorry oh frothing one but wiki never,never lies!

Here is the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creati...ublic_education

Read it yourself !get over yourself and quit trying to imitate Dennis ( I know he is your hero butttt) and refute what is posted in a human way. Leave the animal out at rest.

Hmmm I have a thought! if we look at how wiki discusses and presents creationism and how it taught in school hmmmmmm and we use the same logic to study evolution it makes all the sense in the world why they are so confused about evolution. It is self edited for content by who ever has the latest ( although maybe not proven) info and can type it in a published paper and call it science!! Wow. What a concept

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08-27-2013 09:42 PM  5 years agoPost 390
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From your link

In the United States, intelligent design has been represented as an alternative explanation to evolution in recent decades, but its "demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions" have been ruled unconstitutional by a lower court

You have comprehensive issues.

kansas and ohio, teach criticisms of evolution. Not creation.

And I posted from Kentucky already

In an email to JCPS principals the day after the LACES meeting, Superintendent Donna Hargens noted that “Creationism and Intelligent Design are not part of the state science curriculum standards and are not taught.”

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08-27-2013 09:57 PM  5 years agoPost 391
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I know he is your hero butttt
And there is the mature attitude I expect from a child. Just keeping it classy right? If you can't prove a person wrong with facts, post a silly picture or go for the personal attack.
and refute what is posted in a human way
You mean like you do. Now that is funny.

Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends

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08-27-2013 10:27 PM  5 years agoPost 392
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If you can't prove a person wrong with facts, post a silly picture or go for the personal attack. :rolleyes
Your right psycho out shouldn't be posting classless cartoons and calling people liars over and over. Thanks for the heads up

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08-27-2013 10:48 PM  5 years agoPost 393
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Tom

You dont get it.

There is no debate here.

Only theist question reality.

The scientific debate has been over for at least a hundred years.

Creation/ID is psuedoscience

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08-28-2013 01:17 AM  5 years agoPost 394
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http://pondside.uchicago.edu/oba/research/biomech.html

Comparative Biomechanics

Current areas of research

We work broadly on questions surrounding the evolution of vertebrate neural and musculoskeletal systems

Your first day in a real biology class.

Test question #1.

If you answer "godidit" You mireably fail

Without evolution you have no flu shots, you have no biomechanics either.

The CDC would not be able to keep up with evolving diseases if we followed all your wonderful theistic creation advise, we would all be dead.

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08-28-2013 02:27 AM  5 years agoPost 395
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What's this a free push add for a collage?
Tell us somthing that matters. Show me the complete transitional fossils for at least one current person place or thing on this planet. Not one with all the gaps. Show me why alligators have not evolved for 60 million years.

Read this

If macroevolution is true—if human beings are the result of millions of years of gradual evolution from an ancient, single-celled life form—there should be abundant evidence in the fossil record that verifies such a contention. There should be billions of transitional fossils—fossils of intermediate creatures mid-way in their evolution between animal kinds. To the dismay of the evolutionary community, such evidence is conspicuously missing. Renown evolutionary paleontologist of Harvard University, Stephen J. Gould, admitted some thirty years ago what remains true today:

The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been apersistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution (Gould, 1980, 6[1]:127, emp. added).

Colin Patterson, the late paleontologist who served as the editor of the professional journal published by the British Museum of Natural History in London, even conceded:

I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them…. Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional forms…. I will it lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument (Patterson, 1979, 19[8]:8, emp. added).

Here is the full article

http://www.apologeticspress.org/APC...=3501&topic=281

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08-28-2013 02:48 AM  5 years agoPost 396
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Stop saying the flu proves evolution, thats stupid. The flu adapts, not evolves, and it has nothing to do with where humans came from.

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08-28-2013 03:25 AM  5 years agoPost 397
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When idiots speak they prove what we already know. Your not too bright are you?

You act like scientist are blind to these facts.
Stop saying the flu proves evolution
The flu doesnt prove evolution. But the people who study biomechanics rely on it, and what we know of evolution they use to try and stay one step ahead of the disease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_Influenza

Two common mechanisms by which viruses evolve are reassortment and genetic drift.

The phylogeny, or the evolutionary history of a particular species, is an important component when analyzing the evolution of influenza.

The best bet when your ignorant is to remain silent, because it removes all of our doubt of your possible intellect.

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08-28-2013 03:37 AM  5 years agoPost 398
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If macroevolution is true—if human beings are the result of millions of years of gradual evolution from an ancient, single-celled life form—there should be abundant evidence in the fossil record that verifies such a contention.
There should be billions of transitional fossils
Your ignorant to real science, because your pulling material from a known biased religious website.

There are billions of transitional fossils Tom.

Every fossil ever found is a transitional fossil

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08-28-2013 04:08 AM  5 years agoPost 399
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Tom here is the idiocy of your post, because YOU don't know what the hell your posting or why. Your old and ignorant, and do not wish to learn REAL science.

from your lying post.
Colin Patterson, the late paleontologist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Patterson_(paleontologist)

He authored a general textbook on evolution

Patterson has been quote mined several times by creationists, most notably from a tape recording of a talk he gave in 1981 at the American Museum of Natural History for a systematics discussion group. He also stated in a private letter to creationist Luther Sunderland, who had asked Patterson why no transitional fossils were illustrated in his book:

"I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. . .I will lay it on the line, There is not one such fossil for which one might make a watertight argument."

—Colin Patterson, (Creation Science Foundation, Revised Quote Book, 1990)

Since then, creationists in both the US and Australia have widely circulated this quote, contending that Patterson is "admitting that there aren’t any transitional fossils".[6] Patterson rejected the creationist interpretations of his sayings.[7]

All this does is show your stupidity due to ignorantly quote mining.

And how desperate those behind creation are, quote mining to try and prove Evolution wrong

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08-28-2013 11:41 AM  5 years agoPost 400
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Since everybody but you is an idiot or a lier show us the proof of your rant. Show me just one linage line of transional fossils for any thing living thing today. Then dont forget the alligator question or are you just ducking again?

Update for psycho show me where I have used name calling on this thread! I have expressed my opinion on some people's actions here but not resorted to calling them idiots and liers as some have here. Get real . I do have more tissues if you need one ,just ask I always glad to share with anybody.

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