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08-18-2013 07:44 PM  7 years ago
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Best flybarless unit for scale
Hi
I am looking for advice on a flybarless unit for a vario ec135 electric running a 4 blade head. And 3 servo set up.I know a lot of people are using the robbe heli command unit , but this is out with my budget.
I see there are a few used ar7200, and beastx units about at a reasonable price, is anyone using these, or is the align 3 gx just as good
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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08-18-2013 08:15 PM  7 years ago
payne1967

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if you can afford the ec with 4 blade head then you can afford the hc
just save up for it

don't use the 3gx
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08-18-2013 08:56 PM  7 years ago
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Go with the DJI NAZA H .. simple setup and flys like it's on rails!From Simple minds come simple ideas! Approach Engineering
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08-18-2013 09:12 PM  7 years ago
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+1 on the helicommand.
Since 200 firmware it flys scale soopersmooth too.
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08-18-2013 10:31 PM  7 years ago
Mojave

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Vbar is my favorite. Stay away from aligns unit...
Barry
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08-19-2013 04:23 AM  7 years ago
D.Magee

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V-bar here beast x next.
yes stay away from 3gx
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08-20-2013 07:41 AM  7 years ago
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New to Vbar but my jet ranger flys like its on rails and it has a 3gx.

Ken
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08-20-2013 01:43 PM  7 years ago
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Which One??
Confused Yet???

First, the AR7200 rx that you mention in the OP does not have phasing...so to use that you would need to do the head phasing mechanically...not my preferred method.
If you choose to go with a BeastX, you will need the stand alone unit and get it with the USB connector..this will let you do some of the set up on your laptop, including the phasing..At about $200
The new HC/Demon is a great unit at about $250.. a bit more to the set up but very nice and it works well also..
Then the V-bar comes into play.. another excellent unit that will do the job nicely, and either the blue or the silver will do everything you need.. at about $350
The NAZA H is also a good solution..again will do everything you need and if you get it with GPS you can have a bail out feature.. not sure of the price on this one and I have no hands on with this one, but have seen them work and it looks good, but more "robotic" then the ones listed above..not saying it cannot be made to feel less like the gyros are flying the machine.. but again no hands on..
I do not know the 3GX but I do know that I see a lot of them up for sale on a regular basis..that would help me make up my mind to leave that one alone..

So, now that you have this info.. it might help you put it all into perspective and pick what you think will work best for you..
I have and have flown the BX, the HC/Demon, and V-bar.. I like all 3 and they each have a place in my book.. but at this point, the BX is by far the easiest set up.. the V-bar next and then the HC..
My opinion, at this point, by price would put the HC a bit ahead of the others...
Hope this info will help you choose the one that will work best for you.. the "new breed" of stabi systems all seem to work very well, just some easier to use then the others..
Good Luck, and if you need help with a specific unit after your purchase, as you can see, there is plenty of help available to you here on RR..
Stan
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08-20-2013 08:34 PM  7 years ago
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Thankyou all for your replies, bit more to all this than I thought. being able to do head phasing on computer would be a bonus.
I will let you know how I get on
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08-20-2013 09:29 PM  7 years ago
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Are you sure you need a stab unit? i have three different units i thought i was gonna have to put on a couple scale machines ive built and it turns out they dont need them. maybe i will need them on the ones waiting their turn to get built
for what its worth, i like the DJI's ability to do things hands off, this will come in handy on my law enforcement bird so i can work winches and searchlights while the heli does the hovering.
i have also heard more people say they like the v-bar's performance and price over any other unit ive asked about. ive flown a 3d machine with one and i was impressed
drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft
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08-20-2013 10:54 PM  7 years ago
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Good input Stan, Emile. Emile, I like your thoughts on running the winches etc, while the heli hovers. You could put on a hell of a show that way and never douche the heli. Then just switch the unit back to manual mode and continue flying.

ETS: Don't let the amount of info get too confusing. These units are not that difficult to set up. And as Stan stated, you have plenty of folks in here that are more than willing to help you out.

I commented on staying away from the 3GX for a couple of reasons. The first being that very few have had good luck setting it up and getting past the glitches. Second, it doesn't have adjustable phasing, so it's really not very useful when you put it on a multi blade heli. Third, the internal power bus is very small gage, so I just don't trust it flying the bigger power hungry servos without using a stand alone CCPM style regulator. This last item may have changed over the past couple of years, as the unit design progressed, but who knows? Ken (stunt4fun)has had good luck with his 3GX, so you might want to pick his brain for useful info.
Barry
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08-21-2013 07:31 AM  7 years ago
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Are you sure you need a stab unit?
Hi I Know of a couple of pilots (Peter Robertson) (Richard Morris) who dont use any Stab units on there multi blade heads just mechanically phased you might be suprised how easy it is to do before you splash out on any money, try it first, i am building a Vario ec135 pht3 with a 4 bladed head which will be mechanically phased first, and set up by Peter Robinson before i go down that route, good luck
Alan matthews
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08-21-2013 09:30 AM  7 years ago
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WOW, thanks for all the inputs guys, this is my first time with a multi blade head,so looking for all the help i can get when it comes to flying it.At present i am flying a benzine trainer,which is about to go into a jet ranger.
as for vbar,beast x etc i know all the 3d guys are looking to get the best from their helis but is this precision really needed on a scaler.
hence the reason i was enquiring about the cheaper options, although the ability to possibly save itself when something goes wrong is an attraction
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08-21-2013 09:43 AM  7 years ago
PETER ROB

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save itself when something goes wrong
Don't rely on any electrical unit to get you out of trouble,
They are advertised as FBL, or Stabilisation units, used for these purpose's, they still have limitations
I was told (hearsay ) that a Quad went over at the Midland heli club meet at the weekend, they are usually fitted with the top of the range DJI units, so nothing is perfect
Peter R
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08-21-2013 11:44 AM  7 years ago
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I would like to speak from a multi blade beginner point of view.

Emile set up my MD500 without stab and I had no problem flying it although I had never flown anything before except flybar heads.
He showed me how to set up a multi blade and I did so on my Predator 90 four blade head on my own. When I test flew it I had no problems at all and it flew very smoothly and like it had a flybar on it. so it's definitely not a problem as long as it is set up correctly.

I have not tried a stab unit yet but will install one I have on my bench so that I can then have the experience of both sides of the fence.
Roy Mayoral
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08-22-2013 04:19 AM  7 years ago
doorman

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Flying Nobar...
If you should choose to try setting up and flying without a stabi system, I would suggest that you try it on your Benzin..
I have flown 3,4,&5 blade heads without a stabi system and they flew fine... but, in the end I started adding stabilization and have not looked back.. it is nice to have it on those days when the weather is not quite perfect

Good luck on whatever way you choose to go..

Stan
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08-22-2013 08:37 AM  7 years ago
PETER ROB

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whatever way you choose to go..
If you learn to set up multi bladed helicopters mechanically, and get them to fly at their best
Then you will have learned a lot
It will also be very good grounding to when you fit the stabilisation system, as the helicopter will be set up correctly to start with
I think the good reports on how easy it was comes from pilots who have got the machines fine tuned before electronic stabilisation
Good luck and keep posting
I am getting interested enough to try stabilisation myself?
Peter R
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08-22-2013 04:42 PM  7 years ago
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Like Stan said where the stab system really shines above not having one is on those windy days. I can tell you first hand a gust of wind will change your altitude in a split second without a stab system. Yes you can fly without one but it is no fun.
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08-22-2013 05:25 PM  7 years ago
payne1967

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nobar in gusty wind is great fun on a pod and boom heli
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08-22-2013 05:32 PM  7 years ago
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I am using three Skookum 720's in my larger scale helicopters. All three are mechanically set to 90 degree phasing and will fly with a tail gyro only if I was forced to. I don't think flying a two blade without stabilization is any fun at all and even multi-blades without stabilization is more of a chore than enjoyment in my opinion. However, I fully agree that if you take the time to mechanically set your blades at 90 degree phasing, you will find that it flies just a little bit nicer. I used to have one favourite flyer, now I have three and I can't give the edge to any of them, as they are all a blast to fly, especially inches off the ground at scale speeds. What a rush.

Don
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