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08-17-2013 03:03 AM  7 years ago
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wow, something good actually happened
Senators ask Obama to stop US aid

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...26pLid%3D359456
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08-17-2013 03:19 AM  7 years ago
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If now, in your personal walk in this life, still believe
that obummer is not a Muslim, this should seal it for you.

What's next in America? Shari'ah Law?
I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!
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08-17-2013 03:45 AM  7 years ago
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giving away 1.3 Billion of OUR hard earned Tax money is enough for me not to like him

and to add, the people of America need to realize and know, that like that 750 Million that was sent to Iraq and went missing, you got to know much of that 1.3 Billion would surely end up in pockets where it should not go
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08-17-2013 05:22 PM  7 years ago
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he continues to back the brotherhood. It removes any and all doubts that he is a Muslim. NOW the GOOD people of Egypt hate us because of him. Smooth move idiot.
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08-17-2013 06:29 PM  7 years ago
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he continues to back the brotherhood.
Not really.

He continues to back the Egyptian military that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood.

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08-17-2013 06:34 PM  7 years ago
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Remember this vote just a few weeks ago?
WASHINGTON—The Senate voted overwhelmingly to block a vote on cutting off aid to Egypt, a move aimed at tamping down growing frustration with the military takeover in Egypt.

The 86-13 vote to table the measure comes as President Barack Obama is dispatching two senior Republican senators, Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, to the country in an effort to calm tensions.

The measure was pushed by Sen. Rand Paul...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...eTabs%3Darticle
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08-17-2013 06:43 PM  7 years ago
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wrong. He's telling the military to stop busting heads. He also rebuked them by cancelling out joint military operations.
He's trying to appease the military while morally supporting the brotherhood. And what he ends up doing is ticking off the good, normal and decent people in Egypt. Sorry Dusty, but he's been on the wrong side of this (and most everything in the ME) Egypt thing from day one.
What did he get the Nobel for again????
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08-17-2013 06:44 PM  7 years ago
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Here's a good article on Egypt:
SCAF are the deep core of the tyrannical Egyptian state and have been so for 60 years.

- See more at: http://www.counterfire.org/index.ph...q.TTIZADEF.dpuf
That is who Obama supports, and I would be extremely surprised if McCain and Graham did not support the same, despite the noises to the contrary they are now making. Both of them voted ''yea'' to block a Senate vote on aid to Egypt.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...on=1&vote=00195

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08-17-2013 06:48 PM  7 years ago
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wrong. He's telling the military to stop busting heads. He also rebuked them by cancelling out joint military operations.
Just as he was obliged to make a show of support for the Brotherhood when they were elected, he is also obliged to make a show of support for the Egyptian people.

Do you think these ''joint military operations'' were particularly important to the Egyptian military?

If he didn't support the military, then why do you think he didn't call them overthrowing the democratically elected Egyptian PM, a coup, as it clearly was, and cut off the military aid?

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08-17-2013 08:01 PM  7 years ago
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I don't think we should give aid of any kind to any country......none, zero zip.
I'll amend that. Give aid when our checkbook is in the black....which will be never.
As far as Egypt, we should've supported Mubarrack. We also should've left Saddam in power after the first war.
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08-17-2013 09:21 PM  7 years ago
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We sincerley NEED TOO keep giving Humaitarian AID : No ONE ELSE WILL

It's one of the Chief Foundational Principals of a Judea /Christian NATION : The US of A !

It what separates us ! From ALL THE OTHER"S. They WON't Never have or - If So --- maybe on a very limited bases. { Allocation of Resources}

Their are TOO MANY : Christian based Orphanages to take care of the children. TOO Many Western Based Medical Clinic's with the needed technology. TOO MANY totally dependent on the FOOD !!!! Modern Western resources, Technology and supplies that the culture depends on.

You remove it or it get curtailed in any fashion -" THE INNOCENT " will suffer.

We are a Nation of Benevolence and Forgiveness and GRace : The WHOLE SOUP !!! of Christianity

Totally embarrassing sad what they are doing to themselves --- AGAIN -it has never stopped. maybe for a very brief period of 100 year's they semi enjoyed some form of domesticated life.

It has never changed - throughout the decades' or centuries, they are turning them selves back into destructive animal's.

Need to make sure that at least some type of food and basic necessities are furnished. Maybe let some other country within the United Nation's step's UP to the Plate.

Pick ONE : Pick another Muslim Country to Support a Muslim Country - or let them consume them selves.
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08-17-2013 09:54 PM  7 years ago
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We sincerley NEED TOO keep giving Humaitarian AID : No ONE ELSE WILL

It's one of the Chief Foundational Principals of a Judea /Christian NATION : The US of A !
Thats all fine and dandy.

But, as far as Egypt is concerned, lets keep something in mind.

The USA is not the only one who gives aid to the Egyptian military. They get aid to the tune of 10 times what the US gives them from all the Arab countries because the Egyptian military is a stabilizing force in the middle east.

Being a stabilizing force in the middle east is why some are getting a bit concerned that they may not be able to get a handle on the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for some time to come. Many, many more may die in the streets of Egypt as the Muslim Brotherhood tries to destabilize Egypt and its military because their ruler has been deposed by the Egyptian military and forced to do so by the Egyptian people.

Besides Iran and its nukes, Egypt has now become the single biggest problem in the middle east right now. Also keep in mind that the Obummer and his pals were very much in the forefront of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and bringing their deposed leader to power more than a year ago and argued against the Egyptian military taking out their leader. As a direct result, we are witnessing a potentially very damaging civil war in a previously very stable ally in Egypt.

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08-18-2013 02:08 AM  7 years ago
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The USA is not the only one who gives aid to the Egyptian military. They get aid to the tune of 10 times what the US gives them from all the Arab countries
Specifically, the oppressive Arab dictatorships that the US supports which have not had Arab Springs, yet, announced all this aid to Egypt immediately after the US supported Egyptian military overthrew Egypt's democratically elected government, that existed because of an Arab Spring.

Excepting Bahrain, that is, as their Arab Spring uprising was brutally crushed with the help of the Saudi police state.
because the Egyptian military is a stabilizing force in the middle east.
Being a stabilizing force in the middle east is why some are getting a bit concerned that they may not be able to get a handle on the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for some time to come. Many, many more may die in the streets of Egypt as the Muslim Brotherhood tries to destabilize Egypt and its military because their ruler has been deposed by the Egyptian military and forced to do so by the Egyptian people.
Where do you get these talking points, Dennis?

This is the same language that our politicians use. When we attack or invade other countries, we are ''stabilising'' the region. But when indigenous people fight back against an authoritarian ruler that the west approves of, what they are doing is ''destabilising.''

The civilians that the military is slaughtering are supporters of their elected government.

Do you support the military slaughtering supporters of the elected government, because someone said they're ''stabilising'' Egypt, or do you have a logical reason?

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08-18-2013 02:15 AM  7 years ago
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This is the same language that our politicians use. When we attack or invade other countries, we are ''stabilising'' the region. But when indigenous people fight back against an authoritarian ruler that the west approves of, what they are doing is ''destabilising.''
Out of context dusty.

I never said that in this discussion. I did say that the Egyptian military was a "stabilizing" influence in the middle east.

They just might prove that fact in the near future.

Then again, maybe they will get defeated.

But, I kinda doubt that.
Do you support the military slaughtering supporters of the elected government, because someone said they're ''stabilising'' Egypt, or do you have a logical reason?
I don't support anyone slaughtering anyone.

But, I will support anyone's right to self defense.

Thats a logical reason in my mind. When the Egyptian people were protesting against their newly elected leader, they did not bring AK 47's to the fight as far as I know. But, the MB is doing just that. I assumed the Egyptian military belongs to the Egyptian people. The Egyptian military has a right to protect their country and its citizens.
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08-18-2013 02:38 AM  7 years ago
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I never said that in this discussion. I did say that the Egyptian military was a "stabilizing" influence in the middle east.
Yes, but you also said that the Muslim Brotherhood, the elected leaders of Egypt, are trying to ''destabilise'' Egypt.

Societies that authoritarian regimes rule over are often very ''stable,'' because of the consequences civilians would face if they protested, such as we are seeing in Egypt now.
They just might prove that fact in the near future.
Then again, maybe they will get defeated.
But, I kinda doubt that.
There is no possibility of the US-equipped Egyptian army being defeated by a few civilian protesters.
Thats a logical reason in my mind. When the Egyptian people were protesting against their newly elected leader, they did not bring AK 47's to the fight as far as I know. But, the MB is doing just that. I assumed the Egyptian military belongs to the Egyptian people. The Egyptian military has a right to protect their country and its citizens.
The military are primarily defending themselves from supporters of the democratically elected government.

If a tyrannical ruler from outwith or within your country, takes over your government by force, deposing the government you previously freely elected, and you as a civilian take up arms against the tyrannical government, who is defending your country?

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08-18-2013 02:44 AM  7 years ago
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Yes, but you also said that the Muslim Brotherhood, the elected leaders of Egypt, are trying to ''destabilise'' Egypt.
Yes, that is exactly what the MB is now doing. Otherwise, why would they be in the streets with AK 47's and firing at the military forcing them to defend themselves by returning fire. Civilians are being caught in the crossfire. Thats a terrorists tactic to gain sympathy.

BTW: The Egyptian government is right on the edge of throwing the MB out of their country and declaring them a terrorist group. Under the circumstances, makes sense to me.
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08-18-2013 02:48 AM  7 years ago
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If a tyrannical ruler from outwith or within your country, takes over your government by force, deposing the government you previously freely elected, and you as a civilian take up arms against the tyrannical government, who is defending your country?
Well, we do have a tyrannical ruler now.

But, we don't have to be overthrown by force. They can be just as successful doing the same from within. They are working at it. No question of that.
The military are primarily defending themselves from supporters of the democratically elected government.
They were an democratically elected government. But, it turned out to be a lie. The Egyptian people did not like it and removed them. The MB did not like that. So, we have what we all see now. Total chaos and death in Cairo. Just what a terrorist likes. Thats the world they live in.
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08-18-2013 02:58 AM  7 years ago
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Yes, that is exactly what the MB is now doing. Otherwise, why would they be in the streets with AK 47's and firing at the military forcing them to defend themselves by returning fire.
They have taken up arms against a tyrannical ruler that has taken over their democratically elected government. It's unfortunate that civilians get caught up in the cross-fire, but that's what happens when people take up arms against tyrannical rulers.
They were an democratically elected government. But, it turned out to be a lie.
What do you mean by ''it turned out to be a lie''?

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08-18-2013 03:01 AM  7 years ago
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What do you mean by ''it turned out to be a lie''?
Geez dusty.

Try studying the history of their newly elected government and the Egyptian people's response to them while in power and promises made before hand.

Get with it dusty.
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08-18-2013 03:03 AM  7 years ago
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Try studying the history of their newly elected government and the Egyptian people's response to them while in power and promises made before hand.
I already have.

How does that compare to Obama's promises to the US public in 2008?

Would you support the US military overthrowing your government, and installing itself as ruler?

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