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08-17-2013 05:52 AM  7 years ago
Volcano

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The mods are XXXXXXXXX. And its easy to get the impression that hf is THE helicopter scene. Theres alot of wannabe types and they love stuff like that where they feel part of the cool kids group. You have to go out to events to see that the forums are only a small part of the scene. You hardly see any pros posting on ANY forum.
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08-17-2013 02:53 PM  7 years ago
unclejane

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The internet is a powerful medium and small manufacturers or suppliers are very vulnerable to destruction or economic harm by being called out or harassed by a fraction of a percent of dissatisfied customers.
The problem, though, is that often those customers are dissatisfied for a good reason. A bad manufacturer can ignore those complaints, leaving the customer with no choice but to warn others about the problem. And just as often an online forum may be his only outlet for doing that.

That's what free enterprise is about. Yes, readers have to be intelligent enough to sift the wheat from the chaff, but that's our responsibility not a moderator on an online forum.

You've all but admitted right here that you _do_ protect certain manufacturers from criticism in your forums. That's not what what a public forum is about.
Certainly MR and WJ are well aware of that and unlikely to tolerate that happening on their boards.
They go to far, in my experience. They make the choices for their readers as to what they should read and what they shouldn't. That's not their place; it should be up to the reader to decide what he reads and what he doesn't.

That's why I stopped patronizing WJ and Helifreak. It's not worth it and I'd rather make up my own mind on what I read. RR is much better in this respect.

LS
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08-17-2013 03:00 PM  7 years ago
GyroFreak

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I tried HF for awhile, didn't like it, spoiled by RR I guess.I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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08-17-2013 11:54 PM  7 years ago
Mercuriell

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You've all but admitted right here that you _do_ protect certain manufacturers from criticism in your forums. That's not what what a public forum is about.
Not all all. No posts get deleted on HF except those that are illegal by way of obscenity, copyright violation or defamation. Very small proportion of threads, usually the subject of numerous reports, get steered to keep them on track and maintain a coherent, relevant and PG-13 context. That is the HF way and if you don't like it fine, it suits some and not others - that is the freedom of choice and why it is good to have alternative sites with a variety of style and content.

Again, the misconception arises that these are public forums, they are not, they are private business ventures run for a mix of reasons, philanthropic, promotional and of course commercial. As such of course the proprietors are not going to allow a free-for-all, that would not be good for anyone. IMHO there is way, way less editorial interference from the proprietors than is found in paper magazines, how many bad reviews of a car or a piece of hifi do you see in a glossy mag?

Of course the forums do allow valuable dissemination of information with regard to problems encountered, these to can be discussed in a positive light or hysterical ranting. How many times is a problem due to incorrect setup or choice of components? Design and manufacture of a heli or component is incredibly difficult and to design a kit that is gonna be built and flown by wide range of skill levels, in different climates, with a huge potential combination of gear is inevitably going to uncover problems. I think the owners and staff of the forums do have a responsibility, for the greater good of the hobby, to ensure criticism is kept constructive and on context. This thread arose because the OP wanted to dredge up release date problems 6 years ago, in a thread that was started to ask for video footage of a new design, and wouldn't respond to requests to keep on topic.

It's all about being fair and reasonable.
John
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08-18-2013 12:59 AM  7 years ago
unclejane

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Very small proportion of threads, usually the subject of numerous reports, get steered to keep them on track and maintain a coherent, relevant and PG-13 context.
What you term "steer" here is actually censorship, by your own admission. That's what censorship is - "steering" comments so that only the ones you like appear and the ones you don't are eliminated and kept quiet.
Again, the misconception arises that these are public forums, they are not, they are private business ventures run for a mix of reasons, philanthropic, promotional and of course commercial.
But HF is open to the _public_ and is advertised as such. When you set up shop in a public place, you're subject to the rules that govern a public place. You can't hang out a shingle in public and then just do what you want whenever you want.
It doesn't work that way.
As such of course the proprietors are not going to allow a free-for-all, that would not be good for anyone. IMHO there is way, way less editorial interference from the proprietors than is found in paper magazines, how many bad reviews of a car or a piece of hifi do you see in a glossy mag?
That's no excuse. Just because someone else does it even worse than you, doesn't justify you doing it.

If you can't handle participants speaking their mind on your forum, you need to get out of the forum business and go do something else. You don't belong in the online forum marketplace if you have to censure things said that you simply don't like and can't handle honest, free discourse. You will _not_ get and remain successful.

Alternatively, if you were to honestly market HeliFreak as a private entity with its own specific rules on what could be discussed, that would be better than what you're doing now. You should also restrict access so that it's not open to the public.

LS
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08-18-2013 01:37 AM  7 years ago
Mercuriell

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But HF is open to the _public_ and is advertised as such.
Advertised where?
When you set up shop in a public place, you're subject to the rules that govern a public place. You can't hang out a shingle in public and then just do what you want whenever you want.
It doesn't work that way.
Exactly. You can't setup in a public park or space and start ranting racist, sexist, religious intolerant hate speech without drawing regulatory attention. Every society has it's rules and BB are no different.
That's no excuse. Just because someone else does it even worse than you, doesn't justify you doing it.
If you can't handle participants speaking their mind on your forum, you need to get out of the forum business and go do something else. You don't belong in the online forum marketplace if you have to censure things said that you simply don't like and can't handle honest, free discourse. You will _not_ get and remain successful.
Both HF and RR are already very successful with combined membership of over 250,000 members so it's obviously working for many/most if not for all.
Alternatively, if you were to honestly market HeliFreak as a private entity with its own specific rules on what could be discussed, that would be better than what you're doing now. You should also restrict access so that it's not open to the public.
HF and RR are private entities. Access is restricted. To be allowed to post you have to register and agree to TOC, if you transgress these often enough you are shown the door.
John
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08-18-2013 02:46 AM  7 years ago
Stephen Born

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RR = 1
HF = 7

Less is better.
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08-18-2013 03:37 AM  7 years ago
unclejane

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Exactly. You can't setup in a public park or space and start ranting racist, sexist, religious intolerant hate speech without drawing regulatory attention. Every society has it's rules and BB are no different.
But criticism leveled against a favored manufacturer isn't "racist, sexist, religious intolerant hate speech". It's a necessary evil when that manufacturer is otherwise unresponsive. Same with posts that you simply don't like. It's sad that you equate that with "racist, sexist" speech. And that you shield these guys from their due criticism. So much for offering a "public service to the heli community".
Both HF and RR are already very successful with combined membership of over 250,000 members so it's obviously working for many/most if not for all.
You've lost my participation, however, and I encourage anyone else when the matter comes up to boycott your operation also. Censorship has costs and those build up over time. Good to keep that in mind when you're "steering" those conversations.

LS
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08-18-2013 08:36 AM  7 years ago
Volcano

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theres also a misconception that hf doesnt earn will a bunch of $$$. Thats fine by me but you said he spends cash on hf and It seems like he makes money off the site.

There was a classified with a trex 450, it said 450 mx motor but the pic showed a red motor. I responded to the post saying the motor is red? And I got heck from towpilot for disrupting the classified forums? There is more nonsense than you see Mercuriel. Not to mention the fiasco between will and Tony at last years ircha- yeah respect.
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08-18-2013 10:38 AM  7 years ago
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I corrected finless Bob aka Assclown over there about a couple of incorrect statements he made in one of his build videos of the Aurora and got slammed for it.Finless Bob got banned from here for advertising for his sponsors after numerous warnings.

"HF and RR are private entities. Access is restricted. To be allowed to post you have to register and agree to TOC, if you transgress these often enough you are shown the door.
John"

as was the case here with finless Bob who insisted in advertising for non paying advertisers............
YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED
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08-18-2013 11:34 AM  7 years ago
DS 8717

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"But criticism leveled against a favored manufacturer isn't "racist, sexist, religious intolerant hate speech". It's a necessary evil when that manufacturer is otherwise unresponsive. Same with posts that you simply don't like. It's sad that you equate that with "racist, sexist" speech. And that you shield these guys from their due criticism. So much for offering a "public service to the heli community".

I was warned here,but not banned for criticism here against the manufacturer for release of the Aurora when it first came out.I prepaid a deposit for an Aurora when they were first due to be released.I was one of the first to put a deposit in the first 10 to be exact and didnt even recieve mine from the first run of the released kits.People i knew got theres before me and they put up deposit way after me........
YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED
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08-18-2013 12:57 PM  7 years ago
RCHSF

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Like peeing on a camp fire.
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08-18-2013 01:52 PM  7 years ago
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theres also a misconception that hf doesnt earn will a bunch of $$$. Thats fine by me but you said he spends cash on hf and It seems like he makes money off the site.
There's a difference between revenue and earning (profit). In HF's case, all of revenue from advertising goes right back into the site, so there's no profit.

As for HF moderators "steering" topics, that's why there are multiple threads in each forum. If you want to go off on a tangent, start a new thread. Simple as that. You can even link to the thread from which the tangent originated if you want.

The purpose of both sites (HF and RR) is helping people set up and fly RC helicopters. When people take those threads off topic, the value of the threads drop for people coming along later and reading them.
Alan
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08-18-2013 05:12 PM  7 years ago
RCHSF

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It's all a can of worms. But thats the beauty of the Search Button it comes in handy. Sift out what your looking for.
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08-18-2013 08:15 PM  7 years ago
foodman392003

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I got banded for ever from Heli (hell) freak for defending a friend they were trashing for no reason. They didn't even know him. Been in the hobby sence 1975. Helped and introduced more people to the hobby then they will ever will. Don't miss them at all. Plenty of places to get advice when you need it.Compass Chronos,7HVU,6HVU
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08-18-2013 09:41 PM  7 years ago
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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i go there i read i keep my mouth shut post if i have a problem
scared to death
i hate getting anned.

getting anned is a insult a slap in the face an embarrassment if these guys knew how it felt they might be a lot nicer to the community so sad.

i do like rcg how they do there disciplinary actions they do it in the most professional manner of anywhere i've ever seen
Insha Allah made in america
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08-20-2013 08:24 AM  7 years ago
Volcano

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I never even got banned, just I couldnt read my local forum on there, or post. I asked about whether I was banned and got no response. I guess Im shunned like the Amish LOL. And it all came from a statement I made on here while they were shut down. But after the red motor bs and my buddy getting banned for mentioning a kde motor failure and seeing will freak out at ircha I was no longer a 'freak anyways.
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08-20-2013 12:30 PM  7 years ago
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The Freak is just too freaky.

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08-21-2013 03:10 AM  7 years ago
DS 8717

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They were shut down? YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED
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08-21-2013 03:22 AM  7 years ago
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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when i try to post there i get this message
wc_wickedclown, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
have i been banned ?
without a reason geez well thankful for the help i was able to get when good ol wil unbanned me for a 3 year old youtube video i had made that i think he thought was a recent vid banned me for 2 years for it.
Insha Allah made in america
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