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09-01-2013 10:24 PM  5 years agoPost 341
McKrackin

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Good write up Unclejane....

That's what I call...Good enough.lol....

The Goldilocks Zone.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2013 10:34 PM  5 years agoPost 342
Richardmid1

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Os55 and os105 have reduced the amount of tuning needed to get enough power. Also os37 in a 425mm blade heli is awesome and no need to touch the needles! If you fly in a hot climate year round, fly electric.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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09-01-2013 10:45 PM  5 years agoPost 343
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Clarence Lee. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time.

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09-01-2013 11:00 PM  5 years agoPost 344
ICUR1-2

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I'm still using a Hyper 50
plenty of power for me, though I sport fly mostly
set the needles once and only adjust when the temps change dramatically.

spending time, paying attention

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09-01-2013 11:04 PM  5 years agoPost 345
McKrackin

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The Hyper 50 was my first.
Awesome little engine for sure.

I had it in a heavy old Frenzy 50 too.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-01-2013 11:13 PM  5 years agoPost 346
raholek

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Lipos
Well i love the nitro thing......all of it....
I love my electrics... Simple and powerful. Kinda souless tho....
And my nitro never set my house on fire!
I fly both, but love nitro! Electrics are where i started, but Nitro tickles me!

And this hobby is about ur thing.

I love to look an drool over scale machines. Don't own any... Jus doesn't do it for me. I will drive a couple hours to watch them fly. Wont stay still to watch an NFL game.
Go where ur heart is and be happy! Its still a heli!

* and before u go off on the safety of lipos.... My family spent a couple months in a hotel because of a hobby. They are lightining.....

I still fly my 700 electric weekly tho...

Live the hobby...

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09-02-2013 03:34 AM  5 years agoPost 347
Ronald Thomas

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Like I said, I like consistent performance and my electrics start every time. No bad clutches, no liners to fail, no glow plugs failing, no need tear down my Heli while drinking beers, I just drink the beers
You guys can have the nitro and all the PITA that goes with them, I will keep my TRUSTY electrics with good lipos and great chargers. No worries here, just charge, fly, fly, fly, fly, charge, repeat

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09-02-2013 03:35 AM  5 years agoPost 348
McKrackin

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So WHY are you always in every nitro related thread?

I never even messed with your lipo incident thread and you know I wanted to.lol...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2013 03:54 AM  5 years agoPost 349
BobOD

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Some people get a warm feeling from having a 1500W power supply feeding their chargers. And take pride in the ability to do a fine job soldering 10 AWG wire. I got into it for a while, little fans on esc's and whatnot. Gear ratio, KV, #S so on and so forth... It was fun.
But, I got drawn back to Nitro. It's a process you need to be much more involved with. It's kind of a kick knowing that one has mastered something that all the explanation in the world could never be understood by those not so inclined. Never mind it's just more fun to fly.
Now, I just charge my RX packs on a little Fisher Price charger that fits in my shirt pocket and I don't miss a thing.
NAH...Nitro ain't dying. Quite to the contrary.

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09-02-2013 04:40 AM  5 years agoPost 350
Ronald Thomas

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So WHY are you always in every nitro related thread?
I never even messed with your lipo incident thread and you know I wanted to.lol...
Because I have owned/ flown nitro extensively in planes, Helis, boats, and cars since I was 16...probably more than you and your buddie(s) and I can recognize that nitro is simply dying. I just don't think it will completely go away.
Just a few years ago, this topic would have the MASSES clamoring, now it is just a few who try to keep the "nitro" demon alive.
Ernie, you jump in EVERY thread in an attempt to kill lipos and electrics. I kinda expect it now and it always comes down to one thing...you just don't like them and that is ok but you simply cannot except anyone doing the exact same thing to "your" nitro threads.
Hey I can't help it that just about every new Heli out there is electric first and nitro is a second thought. Seems like the market agrees with the E side of the argument and nitro IS dying.
If nitro is what you say it is...easy to tune, reliable, just as powerful and cheaper, why are they going by the way side? Also if they are so easy to tune, why are only those with an engineering degree able to achieve "mastery"
I submit that it simply is not what it is all cracked up to be and soon, it will be just a novelty.

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09-02-2013 04:51 AM  5 years agoPost 351
TMoore

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For me the concept of modeling is the smell of nitro and the sound. I like electrics but I'm not enamored with them. Electrics have their place and so does nitro. I like the fact that I can load up my stuff on my Gator, drive to the field behind my house, fuel up and spend the last two hours of the day flying and the only thing that I really need to worry about is charging my flight pack batteries.

Each to their own. Electrics or nitros; it's all about the fun of remote controlled flight.

TM

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09-02-2013 05:40 AM  5 years agoPost 352
McKrackin

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Ernie, you jump in EVERY thread in an attempt to kill lipos and electrics. I kinda expect it now and it always comes down to one thing...you just don't like them and that is ok but you simply cannot except anyone doing the exact same thing to "your" nitro threads.
That is such an exaggeration that it borders on a lie.

Edited and contained to PM from here....

I just checked...I had to go back to June 5 to find the last time I mentioned a lipo vs nitro type comment and the only thing I was doing was defending myself against the same accusation you are making except it was OICU812 making the accusation...He was wrong too.

Still haven't found a post of mine actually saying anything against lipos though....not even a post where I mention them.

I'll keep looking....

Edit again....I've read back to May 1 and still haven't seen a lipo post from me.

I sincerely challenge you to look at my history and back up your ridiculous accusation...

I literally never use the word literally right.

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09-02-2013 06:40 AM  5 years agoPost 353
ICUR1-2

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electrics aren't replacing nitro's if anything they are just adding new addicts to the hobby.

@ laughingstill you accuse mckrackin of doing the same thing you are doing

best part of having both is, if the nitro is being a bitch you pull out the electric. or while you wait for the rx battery to charge in your nitro.
funny thing is since I got an electric my nitro has been more co-operative

flying a well tuned nitro is a hobby in itself, flying the heli is just the icing

spending time, paying attention

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09-02-2013 07:13 AM  5 years agoPost 354
BobOD

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It's interesting how some have trouble in a debate without having to get personal and making pointless challenges to the credibility of others instead of simply making a valuable point.
I've been running Nitros since the early 70's and flew my 1st heli in the 80's. Heck, I think my 1st electric plank was in the mid 70's. NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with how valid any point is here. That's just chest thumping. LOL

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09-02-2013 07:21 AM  5 years agoPost 355
BobOD

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electrics aren't replacing nitro's if anything they are just adding new addicts to the hobby.
Very good point right there. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't more Nitros today than ever before.
Heck, just reviewing this thread, there seems to be more Nitro enthusiasts than there were a few years ago.
A lot of guys that went electric have gone back or at least back and forth. Then there are the new guys. They often jump into something easier and then when they advance, a lot try Nitro.

Sure, there are a lot more electrics than Nitro today but heck, there are a lot more Hondas than Corvettes.

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09-02-2013 07:29 AM  5 years agoPost 356
Richardmid1

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If a 700e could be charged in 30 seconds off my car and flew for 6+ minutes I wouldn't own any nitros.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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09-02-2013 01:15 PM  5 years agoPost 357
Ronald Thomas

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Looks like my response to Ernie's pm was right on

I am going to leave you guys to this nitro thing, looks like you have it on lock.
To the OP, if you attend any fun flys or go to your local clubs, you will see that nitro is dying a slow death. There has been a small upswing here lastly but the issues that cause the decline are still present which means it will continue to get smaller and smaller. If a nitro would start every time, made no mess, and had the power of electrics, I would not own any electrics

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09-02-2013 01:29 PM  5 years agoPost 358
unclejane

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If nitro is what you say it is...easy to tune, reliable, just as powerful and cheaper, why are they going by the way side? Also if they are so easy to tune, why are only those with an engineering degree able to achieve "mastery"
I submit that it simply is not what it is all cracked up to be and soon, it will be just a novelty.
Speaking for myself, of course, electric isn't really what it's cracked up to be either. It has a _long_ way to go and a lot of problems that still need solutions.

In fact, when I first got into it I went through a long period wondering what the fuss was about. It's not a simple, easy power system to deal with either. What I ran into:
- ESC and motor combinations don't all work together right. A purchase mistake here can be very expensive, leaving you with high-$ extra motors and ESCs sitting in cans in your junk box.
- not all ESCs and/or motors are innocent. CC went through their ICE-catch-on-fire debacle that dragged on for many months before a solution was found. Lots of fires and property loss happened to a lot of E guys in the meantime. Kontronik ESC's cost a fortune and only seem to work with certain motors - and you have to hold your nose just right to get those to work. The average Kontronik owner/op fiddles as much, if not more, as a nitro owner/op who bought a bad engine/heli combo. And for practically the same money.
- ESC's aren't simple devices. There's a learning curve there for n00bs there also.
- batteries are electric's saddest story. Nobody knows which brands are the crappy ones and which are the good ones still. And very few, if any, actually know where they come from (somewhere in China? who knows). Look at all the are-these-batts-any-good threads on RR and elsewhere. You get all kinds of different answers here, so you're still kind of on your own. And a lot of money can end up being spent for worthless garbage even if you are careful and follow recommendations.
- E power systems are not fused in any way. This can turn even the simplest mistakes into very dangerous accidents, especially for n00bs to electrics. And they're getting more and more powerful all the time.
- what's a decent charger takes a lot of research too. This is not a straightforward question, you have to do a lot of study to get the one that's suitable for your application.
- then you have the poor souls spending $1000's on gas generators to support electrics in the field. This one almost makes me cry, especially because we aren't rich folks as a class and it's just such a convoluted, wasteful and expensive solution to such a simple problem.

And so on.

So at least in my experience, it's not a slam-dunk in favor of electric at all. There are lots of pitfalls and you can easily waste vast sums of money on dangerous, non functioning crap even if you do do your research.

Nitro has the advantage of being a much older technology so we know a lot more about it and what to look for when separating the wheat from the chaff. Yes, you can get ripped off there too, but knowledge is power there and we still have more of it in nitro at the present time.

LS

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09-02-2013 01:30 PM  5 years agoPost 359
GScott

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I fly both. Somedays I like nitro better and some days I'm more in an electric mood. I don't understand the drivetrain complaint. I've owned just about every nitro out there and have never had issues with the drivetrains. The only issue was the crappy Align clutches on the 700n. That was easily solved with the Quick UK or Lynx clutch. I have yet to have one of those fail.

My biggest complaint on electrics is the variable power drain. You cannot do hard, sustained power drawing maneuvers like tic tocs without fear of draining the packs too low. For example, I flew a 600e Pro last summer using 12s 3300's with a 4 minute timer. This allowed me to fly mild 3D and bring the packs down at about 3.85v per cell. But if I decided to add a few extra power loops or a few extra hard aileron tic tocs then the packs would come down at 3.7 or lower. Sure I could fly multiple timers but I don't have a preplanned sequence before taking off. With my x50 or 700n I could fly hard tic tocs for 7 minutes and never have to worry about it. What I think will revolutionize e-heli flying is a reliable MAH counter using our TX's telemetry. Then countdown timers will become a thing of the past.

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09-02-2013 01:52 PM  5 years agoPost 360
Richardmid1

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If a nitro doesn't start, the plugs gone, easy 2 minute fix. If an ESC doesn't power up, you have an expensive problem and that heli ain't getting flown that day!

Nitro helis are like dinosaurs, it'll take something BIG to kill them off, battery power ain't it!

ONLY when new battery technology becomes affordable to RC let alone available will nitros slowly die out.

Has any of you ever felt embarrassed when asked how much the packs cost and how long it flys for and you have to say A LOT and 5 minutes?!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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