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08-28-2013 06:54 PM  5 years agoPost 281
shinysideUP

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I just got into Nitro and it is waaaay better than Electric in Flight times and Awesomeness
I started with Electrics and still dig them for hardcore smack and power, but Nitro is a different game, a little messy but very easy to operate with new engines and govs on the market. I can do the same thing with nitro just have a lot more time to do it in one flight. Fuel is a little expensive for 90's but is about equal to 700 electric in cost of ownership.
Batteries are expensive, $2000 for 5 flights without chrging and they probly last one or two seasons if taken care of without crashing.

Nitro per gallon $20-28 per gal, 8 flights per gal, I fly 42 days out of the season thats about 336 flights for the nitro at 8 flights per gallon at $25per*G, now that equates to $1050 in fuel for the 7 months I fly. With electrics if you crash and damge your lipos its a wrap, you will have to pay out those greens. In addition I have to bring the damn genny and chargers to field. A lot more equipment for electrics if you wanna hang all day.

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08-28-2013 09:29 PM  5 years agoPost 282
ICUR1-2

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what ruins electric for me is the cost of charging equipment, power supplies, generator plus fuel for the generator
easy to spend 1000$+ on equipment alone

for a 5 min flight

spending time, paying attention

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08-28-2013 09:34 PM  5 years agoPost 283
BobOD

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drive trains are virtually all underbuilt or have some kind of simple problem that any half-awake designer could see if they actually flew the machine for even 2 or 3 gallons
Good point, that is a bit of a common issue.

That's why having a well equipped machine shop at my disposal comes in pretty handy.
Actually, there are always areas to make improvements on any model. I haven't found one that's perfect yet.

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08-28-2013 09:36 PM  5 years agoPost 284
ICUR1-2

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If they were perfect you would only need 1

spending time, paying attention

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08-28-2013 10:40 PM  5 years agoPost 285
unclejane

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Good point, that is a bit of a common issue.
That's why having a well equipped machine shop at my disposal comes in pretty handy.
Actually, there are always areas to make improvements on any model. I haven't found one that's perfect yet.
Well I have to say the Whip nitro is the closest I've seen to having nothing broken on it at all. Keeping the end play on the clutch bell/start shaft assembly soaked up is the only thing I wish I had a machine shop available to fix. I'm using small circlips under the hex cup, but what is really needed is perhaps a low pressure spring washer sandwiched between a precision fit washer and the bottom of the hex cup.
That to soak it up with gentle spring action as the ball bearings slowly wear. Else, a thrust bearing arrangement at each end of the start shaft instead of regular ball bearings so more pressure could be used.

But that's it. So far, I've not found any other problems with it...

LS

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08-29-2013 12:22 AM  5 years agoPost 286
sephroth

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I would agree that the Whiplash nitro seems to be the best strength nitro heli so far. It's been very good to me. I just started in nitro about 6 months ago having been all electric prior and I have to admit that I love the nitro. I run a YS120 in mine and it has crazy power, more then enough for my basic 3d/sport flying. The 8-9 minute flights are a nice bonus. There is just something about the sight/sound/smell of nitro that will force me to always have at least one in my fleet.

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08-29-2013 12:31 AM  5 years agoPost 287
unclejane

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I get about 15mins flight time per tank on mine, but I do fly at 7000 feet. So the power is way down and pretty much everything gets good gas mileage here (my plank burns a little under 3 gallons/hr at 10,000', and my pickup does close to 25mpg)...

So the Whip is getting into the neighborhood of a gasser in terms of flight time...

LS

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08-29-2013 01:54 AM  5 years agoPost 288
MDSCUSTOMS

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North Wales, U.K.

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Nitro all the way and have been flying same for past 30 years. I have 6 nitro Heli's and 2 small electric ones.

I still don't trust Lipo's enough having seen so many bad stories about them. A friend of mine bought a scale MD500E Fuselage recently, he got it end of last week and had it fitted to his machine on the same day. (450 size)

The next day he took it out for the usual photos etc and then it's first flight with the new fuselage on. He used his "better" Lipo which blew up in the air once the machine was airbourne taking off the front half of the fuselage. To make matters worse the bit that blew off then met with the rotors causing even more damage and a very hard landing. My friend's pride and joy had barely lasted a day before becoming a wreck. Soul destroying.

The other factor for me is the relatively short flight times on Lipo packs and the long charge times. Give me a gallon of Nitro fuel any day and I'll be there all day (or at least until the radio batteries die)

Battery technology still has a long way to go yet - Till then I will be happy flying Nitro's.

Mark

I'm only here coz I'm not all there !!

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08-29-2013 01:56 AM  5 years agoPost 289
ssrobzoom

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Why don't someone create the clutch setup for the Whip. like the Align 700?
Why not copy the Align folks for a change?

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08-29-2013 02:16 AM  5 years agoPost 290
unclejane

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Why? The Whiplash clutch is superior to the trex clutch in every measurable way as-is. Don't see why they'd want to copy the trex setup...

LS

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08-29-2013 02:36 AM  5 years agoPost 291
Flys4Fun

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i did not compare electric pricing, but rather nitro pricing in the past to what it is now. i remember paying $119 for os .32 and it was a great motor and the latest for its time.

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08-29-2013 04:53 AM  5 years agoPost 292
shinysideUP

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12th flight with m new 90 nitro, nitro is coming of age now, I am still running it rich with 15% on 91HZR.

Watch at YouTube

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08-29-2013 04:51 PM  5 years agoPost 293
chris6414

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The sun
Wow! Flying with the sun in front of me like that has always been a huge No-no for me even back when I only flew planes. Too easy to lose orientation. Be safe.

Century Hawk Sport, OS .32, Futaba 7C, GY-601 9251
Predator Gasser SE G-23, Fut 3010 servos, JR gyro/servo

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08-29-2013 05:15 PM  5 years agoPost 294
McKrackin

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i did not compare electric pricing, but rather nitro pricing in the past to what it is now. i remember paying $119 for os .32 and it was a great motor and the latest for its time.
An OS32 is still under $145 but harder to find.

The Thunder Tiger Pro 39 is a great 30 size engine and is actually exactly $119 today.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product...licopter-Engine

Good electric motors are still about the same price as a similar sized nitro and you still need an ESC.

And the price of electric motors has doubled in a very very short time.
I am relatively new to the hobby and my first new electric motor was a Scorpion 4025 for my Trex 600....I think it was $75

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-29-2013 05:15 PM  5 years agoPost 295
kthane

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Fur rizzle! Think I would wait until later in the day. That sun looks bright as hell.

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08-29-2013 05:21 PM  5 years agoPost 296
McKrackin

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The sun
Luckily we aren't all limited to only being able to function with the sun at our backs.lol...

Cameras make the sun look worse than it is.
I fly before noon all the time with the sun in front of me...I will wear sunglasses sometimes.

Sorry for adding to the hijack though

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-29-2013 05:38 PM  5 years agoPost 297
Ronald Thomas

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What I don't understand is how nitros have issues with drivetrains. They are clearly less powerful than electrics but for some reason no one can make one bulletproof
That alone with many other nitro related issues is why I am flying electric exclusively. Everyone knows I am an E fanboy, I proudly state that, but for once someone needs to step up to the plate and make one really shines.

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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08-29-2013 05:44 PM  5 years agoPost 298
McKrackin

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What I don't understand is how nitros have issues with drivetrains. They are clearly less powerful than electrics but for some reason no one can make one bulletproof
That alone with many other nitro related issues is why I am flying electric exclusively. Everyone knows I am an E fanboy, I proudly state that, but for once someone needs to step up to the plate and make one really shines.
The Avant Mostro.

The drive train on the E and the N are identical.
They are interchangeable between E and N.

Pull the BLS motor off and stick the nitro engine in it's place.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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08-29-2013 06:10 PM  5 years agoPost 299
Frank Bostwick

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The deal there Ron is oil (goop from unburnt oil) and dirt combine and eat bearings up. That combo, even with the highest class bearings, is a powerful bearing killer. I dont really get (other than bearings) why folks say the nitro D/T is unreliable? Ive flown a few different brands and all had their own quirks but I'd call none of them unreliable or even a hassle to maintain? I guess its a matter of perceptions and expectations. I expect to be changing motor bearings every few gals of gas (5-10), and once Id learned the needed stuff to do on my helis, doing it is NBD. Electrics have quirks of their own. To be honest I crash with a frequency that negates E's maintenance advantage for me.......So that score is a non issue for me at least.
Or even advantage Nitro because I have found COUNTLESS issues on post flight clean ups that "saved" the next flight. On my electrics, its like you have to force yourself to really do the in depth post flight checks that are just part of the deal with Nitro.......
Nitro is not DEAD and it smells just fine too!

RIP ROMAN

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08-29-2013 06:10 PM  5 years agoPost 300
Ronald Thomas

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Mostro
I doubt that as the drive train for the electric Avant was much to be desired, especially for a $1000 kit Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt
Besides the clutch, clutch bell, liners, and one ways seem to be the Achilles heels on nitros. Those are not present on electrics

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