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09-02-2013 09:25 AM  5 years agoPost 21
Andy from Sandy

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I think I do get your point and laughingstill's as well. I do get that it was released as a high end system with no credibility to warrant it.

I know some of the high price is based on the choice of sensors and materials used. I know that you can use shoe goo on the case and it won't melt like a v-bar does or that the writing on the label won't vanish if you clean it with IPA. I know you can plug the sensor in wrong and it won't get destroyed. In this respect Mikado could actually learn something from Spartan.
Have a nice day and let us know how the unit is working out for you.
In comparison to what I have used and the way I fly the Vortex doesn't do anything for me; it works like all the rest albeit at a much higher cost.

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09-02-2013 01:12 PM  5 years agoPost 22
Ronald Thomas

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Fly what you like and like what you fly....or sell it, I say!!!
Melting vbars??? What is that?
Cost of the units is in the development, the parts are a very small portion of the retail price calculation.

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09-02-2013 01:21 PM  5 years agoPost 23
Andy from Sandy

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Me and a couple of others have found that if you secure the leads in with shoe goo as it is a petroleum distillate it attacks the silverline case.

The plastic frames on a Logo are okay as is the plastic of the old Raptor 50 and so is the plastic of the Futaba RX case.

When I get my new silverline I will have to find a different way to secure the leads.

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09-02-2013 01:26 PM  5 years agoPost 24
Ronald Thomas

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Oh, ok. I don't use shoe goo, I just use the clear gyro tape across the leads....

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09-02-2013 03:42 PM  5 years agoPost 25
rexxigpilot

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To those who can't find a reason to try the Spartan, here's one. Spartan RC arguably made the best tail gyros available before FBL took over. Remember the DS760 and Quark? I do, and still use them on older models. Sure Spartan was late to the game, but based on their past performance, I expect nothing less then exceptional performance out of their Vortex VX1.

As for cost, I find it humorous that people are willing to risk a $2-3K heli by using a cheap FBL control system that is made by some company which never ever made an RC electronic component before. We are talking about Ikon here.

I say try something before you knock it.

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09-02-2013 04:32 PM  5 years agoPost 26
PJRono

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Better than the Futaba gyros huh? MEH

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09-02-2013 05:11 PM  5 years agoPost 27
Ronald Thomas

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I think everyone that got into the FBL market soon realized that just because you make a great tail gyro, that does not mean you make a great FBL system. They are just not the same.

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09-02-2013 05:41 PM  5 years agoPost 28
Eury

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To those who can't find a reason to try the Spartan, here's one. Spartan RC arguably made the best tail gyros available before FBL took over. Remember the DS760 and Quark? I do, and still use them on older models. Sure Spartan was late to the game, but based on their past performance, I expect nothing less then exceptional performance out of their Vortex VX1
Excellent. I'm sure you are flying the CGY750 as well, since Futaba made better gyros than Spartan. It's a shame that JR gyros weren't well received, we'd all be rocking the TAGS.

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09-02-2013 08:58 PM  5 years agoPost 29
Ghostrider

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I flew one of the first versions and I personally did not like it. I know they have had upgrades since but the first one seemed like it could have potential to be good but wasn't quite there yet. Absolutely no better than what is already out there IMHO.

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09-03-2013 07:43 AM  5 years agoPost 30
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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Better than the Futaba gyros huh? MEH
Immensely better! I've used Futaba 611 and 520 gyros extensively. The 520 could not hold the tail on my Min Air Furion 450. The Quark had no problem at all. Never used the 701, but I do use the CGY750 FBL and I like it. So to be specific, the Spartan 760 and Quark tail gyros are far better than the Futaba 611 and 520 tail gyros IMO.

BTW, just so you don't think I'm brand biased, look at my profile to see what equipment I use.

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09-03-2013 02:28 PM  5 years agoPost 31
PJRono

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Never had a Futaba tail gyro that didn't hold, period, unless there was/is a mechanical problem in the tail.

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09-04-2013 02:22 AM  5 years agoPost 32
Zaneman007

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Tail gyros have nothing to do with it.

The algorithms for tail gyros don't work the same. It's like comparing a football to a basketball, and saying my company made the worlds best beach ball.

I am not saying anything bad about spartan, I loved there tail gyros. Maybe they should have spent more on programers less on gyros, then sold a "silver line" version or is that idea already taken?

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09-05-2013 10:47 PM  5 years agoPost 33
Andy from Sandy

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Repackaged in a single unit but using the same sensors so it will be usable on any size helicopter electric or nitro.

http://helidaily.com/cooming-soon-t...barless-system/

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09-05-2013 11:52 PM  5 years agoPost 34
AWittleWabbit

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For $174?

I love VBar but I wish Spartan success. Competition pushes everyone and keeps people honest.

BTW Andy, thx for the link!

Heli-itis sufferer.

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09-05-2013 11:54 PM  5 years agoPost 35
Eury

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Excellent. That's what they need to do to get people to fly it. I'll give it a shot at that price.

Nick Crego

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09-06-2013 12:22 AM  5 years agoPost 36
Ronald Thomas

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So it does everything the full size unit does, has all its capabilities, at half the price? Why would anyone buy the full sizer?

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09-06-2013 02:21 AM  5 years agoPost 37
Ravenhyper50

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So it does everything the full size unit does, has all its capabilities, at half the price? Why would anyone buy the full sizer?
Exactly!?

Looks like they learned their lesson though...LOL

If this was Spartans first move, they would of had a much larger market hold by now IMO.

Raven

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09-06-2013 08:51 AM  5 years agoPost 38
AWittleWabbit

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http://www.siliconsensing.com/produ...intsup%C2%AEsup

Assuming this is the right family of mems gyros, almost a 1/3 of the cost is just for the sensor for qtys under 10k.

Thinking about that further reinforces my plan of only buying non-knockoff fbl units. There's enough original ones that my fbl budget is now cratered anyway

I guess I should send Spartan some money before the name proves prophetic

Heli-itis sufferer.

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12-01-2013 03:55 PM  5 years agoPost 39
Zaaaguy72

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I'll stick with Futaba, always treated me right and although I'm not a great pilot, I don't think I've flown a more consistently good performing unit as the 750.

Team Sanjel!

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12-01-2013 07:17 PM  5 years agoPost 40
LaDon

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Fort Dodge .Ia

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I have to agree on the cgy 750 and for $250 they are the best buy on the market right now. I also have vbars and when they are flown cant tell any difference between performance right now other that the vbar the electric governor works well and an electric isn't very good on the futaba yet but I would think that will change soon. I have tried a bunch of different gyros as in the kbar, ar7200bx, 3gx, and skookum and cant find not one single reason to get rid of the vbar and the cgy750

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