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06-10-2013 03:32 PM  5 years agoPost 141
Hoggy42

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hmmm, more negativity, it's not good for you
No Sorry I'm not negative quite the opposite but you don't know me so believe whatever you want you do anyway.
It does not take a rocket scientist to determine that these are people that have about the same level of intolerance of others and their beliefs as the Taliban has for its enemies, irregardless of the freedoms given to us by our own constitution and God himself.
Please go back and read post number 2 on this thread if you want to see intolerance. Intolerance to reason intolerance to reality intolerance to facts.

The next bit from you of all people truly surprises me.
freedoms given to us by our own constitution and God himself
The freedoms in your constitution were given to you by men many of whom were not Christians. To say those freedoms were given to you by God is a kick in the face to all of those who fought and died and a kick in the face to those who wrote your constitution. Your freedoms were given to you by men don't forget it otherwise you are no better than the Taliban praising Allah for the success of 9/11.
Who are the enemies of the Taliban?
You truly are a simple person aren't you.
Just don't eat it : You will get Hemorrhoids : GOD made those too
What's funny is I'm not trying to convince you or Dennis or anyone of you brainwashed fools. You won't get it go back to your riddles.
Sagan may have been a highly educated atheistic astro-physicist,
but when asked, 'What was there BEFORE your Big Bang?"; He
replied, "There is no need to know that."
FAIL
Well if that's a fail then the Bible is an EPIC FAIL Earth's age wrong by order of magnitudes same with the universe also if. It says it took god 3 days to create the earth and one day to create the sun moon and stars now you see the sun is around 332,000 times larger than the earth and there are some 80 billion galaxies with some 70 sextillion stars lets say the average star is the size of the sun... Well go do some math. Than we have creation of man well that story has been flattened by evolution. Again Bible=EPIC FAIL.
There is NO GREATER Question than:
WHERE DID WE COME FROM and WHY ARE WE HERE; And
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO END UP?
Q1 We evolved - Don't like it sorry it's fact.
Q2 You need to decide for yourself your own reason to live.
Q3 We are going to die and ultimately die out as a race go back and watch the video in the first post that should make it clear for you.
Outhouse, you are stooping very low with those recent comments and weakening your position in the debate by doing so.
Well what are you saying here Outhouses belief in the Rubber Duck is just as much of a crappy argument for the universe and life as the stories of the bible are. Or as strong if you like. So he's only stooping as low as a creationist. If you doubt it please prove that the Rubber Duck is not real and take care of the Flying Spaghetti Monster too if you are successful you should in the process disprove your God in the process of logic.

Anyhow as Science Reason and Logic are not enough for you I thought I should ask how you felt about these Gods.

Written in 1280BC in The Egyptian Book of the Dead. Describes a God Horus, Horus is the son of the God Osiris born of the virgin Isis on December 25th in a cave. He was a child teacher in the temple and was baptized by Anup the Baptizer when he was thirty years old... Who was later beheaded. Horus healed the sick the blind cast out demons. He had twelve disciples and performed miracles such as feeding bread to the multitude and walking on water. He raised one man, El-Azar-us from the dead "Azar" Translates to "Lazarus". Horus was crucified buried in a tomb and resurrected.

You know what you should also look up Krishna he was a carpenter not born of a virgin but immaculate conception baptised in a river. Then there is Mirtha 600years before Jebus born Dec25th performed miracles resurrected on the 3rd day known as the lamb the way the truth the light the saviour etc.

Looks like your book has been plagiarised some what don't worry though I'm sure the copyrights have expired.

Hang on I think I know your answer to those things Satan did it right as a trick?

I'm still waiting for one good argument from your side. It seems as there is not one now the idiots will now just attack the informed.

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06-10-2013 03:35 PM  5 years agoPost 142
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You cannot disprove God. Therefore, if God, could miracles be possible?
And you cannot prove God exists. Won't you look at the evidence we don't need miracles to prove.

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06-10-2013 04:02 PM  5 years agoPost 143
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No Sorry I'm not negative quite the opposite but you don't know me so believe whatever you want you do anyway.
The freedoms in your constitution were given to you by men many of whom were not Christians. To say those freedoms were given to you by God is a kick in the face to all of those who fought and died and a kick in the face to those who wrote your constitution. Your freedoms were given to you by men don't forget it otherwise you are no better than the Taliban praising Allah for the success of 9/11.
No sh#t?

I mentioned the constitution and God. My mistake. I meant the "Declaration Of Independence"

The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

What's funny is I'm not trying to convince you or Dennis or anyone of you brainwashed fools. You won't get it go back to your riddles.

Then, you have no reason to be here bangin on your keyboard.

I'm still waiting for one good argument from your side. It seems as there is not one now the idiots will now just attack the informed.

That works 2 ways.

Its obvious you have no concept of faith and are willing to put down anyone who does based on your so called evolution science which, by the way, is not settled no matter what you say or quote from others that are like minded.

Thats fine if you don't choose the same faith or the same level of faith. You don't have to. No one here is saying you have to in spite of the "Brainwashing" crap your type keeps spewing forth.

You chose a cult of hate and intolerance for others and their faith in God because thats what you like and are comfortable with. That says a lot about your personality.

Best of luck with that slick.

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06-10-2013 04:25 PM  5 years agoPost 144
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Why WE are Here and Hog Wash Is their:

No Constitution

No Declaration of Independence

No Bill of Right's

Kinda explains a lot - Why He HAS GOT NOTHING

greyeagle

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06-10-2013 05:14 PM  5 years agoPost 145
helimatt

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Hoggy,
Thanks for conceding the point by not answering the question. BTW, yes, we've discussed the evidence for God that are not directly "miracles". All sorts of gymnastics and distortions are needed to explain the events in HISTORY, real events in real space-time, if one cannot allow for a miraculous explaination of Jesus' resurrection. Since you cannot logically show that the miraculous intervention by God is metaphysically impossible, then it must be left on the table as a possible explaination. In fact, that becomes the most reasonable explaination.

It all hinges on the historical events- and no good arguement has been given as to why we should not believe they happened as recorded in the bible.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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06-10-2013 06:26 PM  5 years agoPost 146
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Outhouse, you are stooping very low with those recent comments and weakening your position in the debate by doing so.
Do you call what these others are doing a debate?

If so you are stooping lower.

If you noticed,maybe you have not. Everyone is treated upon their own merit.

Its why im civil with you, your civil with me. Please lets keep it that way.
Outhouse, are you certain that it is not you who is unreasonably holding views on this subject and thereby filtering and juggling information to fit a pre-conceived belief?
Following the real historical Jesus life, is better then flying with mythology you dont understand.
You cannot disprove God.
yes I can. In a court of law with a unbiased jury, I could prove mythology beyond a shadow of a doubt.

It is you who cannot disprove yellow ducky.
could miracles be possible?
No its all mythology exactly like the thousands of gods before him.
could a miraculous event be the best explaination for the record of Jesus' resurrection and the birth of His church?
No

His church? You mean Pauls Hellenistic movement?, instead of Jesus Jewish version?

learn the history, your questions are not even correct.

Had anyone special been running around with sheep herders and fishermen, someone would have wrote about him while he was alive. NOT 40-70 years after his death.

Only Paul wrote 20 years after his death, and Paul didnt know Jesus nor live anywhere close to where he did. He only knew Jesus mythology

mythology grew after his death.

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06-10-2013 06:29 PM  5 years agoPost 147
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Since you cannot logically show that the miraculous intervention by Yellow ducky is metaphysically impossible, then it must be left on the table as a possible explaination. In fact, that becomes the most reasonable explaination.

Do you see the errors of your circular methodology yet?

Yellow ducky holds the same exact power you attribute to your imagination

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06-10-2013 07:05 PM  5 years agoPost 148
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yes I can. In a court of law with a unbiased jury, I could prove mythology beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Now, thats a laugh.

A high school drop predicts he can disprove the existence of God before a jury.

Nice try slick.

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06-10-2013 07:30 PM  5 years agoPost 149
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Now, thats a laugh.
Dennis, yes it is a laugh, what the drop-out doesn't understand> is> that> mythology is only a mythology it's self, a man's thought, a theory, he can only prove mythology is a man's thought, it's not true proof there is no God,

if a man doesn't have faith, he will not truly understand it, then, he can ONLY yap about it, yap yap yap as he does

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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06-10-2013 08:27 PM  5 years agoPost 150
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I can see the headlines across the world,

God vs Outhouse

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06-10-2013 08:32 PM  5 years agoPost 151
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Buzz Buzz Buzz

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06-10-2013 10:36 PM  5 years agoPost 152
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SAd AIn't IT :
Look who's been winning

Gona have to wait for the test

greyeagle

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06-11-2013 04:09 AM  5 years agoPost 153
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One must remember that a person, without the Holy Spirit
cannot Read the BOOK that HE authored.

That person is dead.

Oh, yes it appears to the person that he is alive
but in eternity, he is actually dead.

Dead and without Spiritual Life.

If that person trys to read the WORD, only confusion
will emerge. Because it appears FOOLISH to the one
who has not received the Holy Spirit.

Anyone who HAS the Holy Spirit KNOWS exactly what
I am saying here.

So HOW does a person receive the Holy Spirit you ask?

You cannot.

You must allow God to enable you.

As long as you continue to believe there is no GOD
you will die and this death will be eternal.

That is the reason Jesus came. To give us His Life
if we accept His Death in our place.

If you refuse this Precious Free Gift from God,
You die.

Golly it so easy, once you understand it, a caveman
could do it...

NOT!

No one can.

Only God Can bring LIFE OUT OF DEATH.

Pink me for this important truth please.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-11-2013 10:23 AM  5 years agoPost 154
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Well, if 'yellow ducky' has all the same attributes as God, then we are talking about one and the same and the name you've chosen to refer to the Creator is 'yellow ducky'.

I.e., God has certain attributes that can be discerned, and those are the attributes and evidence for that we are discussing.

the other things about the 'hellenistic church' vis-a-vis Jesus' Jewish church make no sense at all except as a deeply flawed interpretation of the history.

Well established by a multitude of historians and sociologists: myth and legend do not grow up in so short a time as the New Testament writings appeared- both the Gospels and Paul's letters etc. Paul himself referred to many living eyewitnesses to Jesus' resurrection. Anyone wanting to refute that claim could go talk to these many themselves.

Outhouse, if you have proof that GOD does not exist- that is astounding as you'd be the first to do so. Including many staunch atheists old and 'new'. Can you back it up?

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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06-11-2013 12:07 PM  5 years agoPost 155
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Yes he can~!

But unfortunately only in his own mind.

So completely confused, lied to, diminished, belittled,
and condescended unto; that he is actually proud of his
internet moniker.

He has not YET received a Love of The Truth.

While a breath of life remains, he has the opportunity
to Know The Truth.

Will he deny it to his own grave?

And then say to God at the judgement, "Even though
You died on a cross for me, You didn't DO ENOUGH...?"

These are the ones who perish.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-11-2013 03:24 PM  5 years agoPost 156
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I mentioned the constitution and God. My mistake. I meant the "Declaration Of Independence"
Again just because it has the word God on it doesn't mean that's where your freedoms come from. Look the Declaration Of Independence was written by men this is a well known fact if it so happens that someone that held the same delusion as you wrote god on it. I really didn't think you were that simple but there you go. I'm going to call you Dennis1co2bar3 from now on I think that's fair.
based on your so called evolution science which, by the way, is not settled no matter what you say or quote from others that are like minded.
Here's the thing Dennis1co2bar3 it's not "My so called evolution science" I didn't do the work and I can't take credit for it. Oh and by the way it is a settled science it's not a popularity thing it doesn't matter if you or I like it or dislike it. It's proven science if you'd just get off your A$$ and go and take a look at the evidence you'd see that. There is a reason this is taught in schools that's because it's fact. I know you think because it has the terminology The Theory Of at the front of it that it means it's just a theory and a best guess. You'd better go tell pilots all over the world that their machines fly on the best guess The Theory Of Flight. Better not use a GPS they need the Theory Of Relativity.

You need to break free from your brainwashing take a look at reality.
You chose a cult of hate and intolerance for others and their faith in God
Your a member of a cult there Dennis1co2bar3 you see you have a doctrine to follow. Being an Atheist has nothing to do with hate or intolerance. If I do present those traits that's more to do with me a person. BTW you show plenty of hate and intolerance yourself.

Helimatt
Hoggy,
Thanks for conceding the point by not answering the question.
Hmmm
Since you cannot logically show that the miraculous intervention by God is metaphysically impossible, then it must be left on the table as a possible explaination. In fact, that becomes the most reasonable explaination.
Let's look at that conceding the point by not answering the question. You know that it's not possible to disprove the existence of God I'll grant you that... However it is possible to disprove and destroy the Christian concept of God along with the Jewish and Islamic Gods. Because they are all illogical concepts. I'm with outhouse on this one in an in a court of law with a unbiased jury we would win this argument every time. And it's really simple why we have evidence and you have none.

God is not the most reasonable explanation. Considering the things we have answers to the big bang evolution etc if your filling in the blanks by saying God did it sorry your just being lazy. lawrence krauss has shown us how it is plausible to get a universe from nothing God is by comparison a very poor hypothesis. In fact God is not necessary at all.
Well, if 'yellow ducky' has all the same attributes as God, then we are talking about one and the same and the name you've chosen to refer to the Creator is 'yellow ducky'.
That would be fine if we were all Yellow Ducky's because we are all made in his image right? didn't think that through did ya.

Now HeliMatt it bothers me more that you all skipped right past Horus, Krishna, Mirtha story's very similar to that of JC some of them the same dam story and all many years before him. Please explain that?

Also here's a video from the late Christopher Hitchens worth watching he makes some good points.

Watch at YouTube

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06-11-2013 05:14 PM  5 years agoPost 157
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Hoggy, the stories you listed are just that- mythological stories with no basis in historical fact. Little to NO manuscript evidence, and what there is point decisevely to mythologies that were re-interpreted and embellished through ages. In fact the 'connections' of these stories to Jesus' life, death, resurrection are just such re-interpretations, in the light of the Christian gospel and the events concerning Jesus that DO have historical basis, well documented, well vetted, well affirmed. To treat those legends as carrying the same historical and evidential credibility, or even a 1/100th of the same credibility as the historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is preposterous.

How one interprets or responds to the message of Jesus must be based on the facts of His life, miracles, execution, resurrection, the prophesies surrounding these things, and the MIRACULOUS birth of his church.

How one responsds is pivotal. Hoggy, despite the bad experience you had early on(such as you've shared) you need not continue in unbelief.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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06-11-2013 05:24 PM  5 years agoPost 158
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Paul himself referred to many living eyewitnesses to Jesus' resurrection.
Paul murdered them, that's the only way he could refer to them.

He went out and hunted down the early leaders and murdered them.

Your knowledge of scripture is almost as bad as my grammar, Paul claims he received no information from a man.

And were still not certain it wasn't a spiritual resurrection.

What you don't even have a clue about is how the unknown gospel authors used the OT as a foundation for their stories when they were not copying from Gmarks version. They all used Parallels to Emperor, Herod, Moses, while building his divinity.

Much of what they wrote factually did not happen.

Take the tipping of the tables. This was the national treasury and they had security with crowds in the hundreds of thousands.

Each table had a guard and the teller himself would have wrestled him to the ground like a dog. Not only that there is a OT reference to the tipping of a table that was probably used.

At best we can say he did something over money and that he was so angry he couldn't control himself, tried starting a riot and failed. Goon squad takes a day or two to find him in the crowds and makes a arrest at night to keep the money flowing.

All Pilate and Caiaphas wanted was peace, and that is what they got once they killed the rebel.

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06-11-2013 05:28 PM  5 years agoPost 159
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How one interprets or responds to the message of Jesus must be based on the facts of His life, miracles, execution, resurrection, the prophesies surrounding these things, and the MIRACULOUS birth of his church.
Yet your so ignorant on these topics.

Pick up a real history book if you want to know about real history

Your only providing a biased Roman view of a Jewish peasant that was deified by people that didn't know him. And it was theology not history.

Meier
Evans
Sanders
Crossan
Reed
Moss
Borg
Ehrman

Just so you know there are only two facts known about him by scholars. His crucifixion, and his baptism by JtB

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06-11-2013 05:42 PM  5 years agoPost 160
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Outhouse, I am most decidedly not ignorant of most of those you've listed there, nor of the conclusions they espouse. I disagree with them. I believe that the spurious conclusions that some such as the Jesus Seminar folks and others have come to are directly tied to pre-conception about the miraculous, and perhaps general disdain for Christian orthodoxy.

The apostle Paul was indeed a murderer (self confessed), but was profoundly changed and so convinced of the truth of Jesus' resurrection that he gave his remaining life to the gospel, and finally paid with his own blood for his beliefs. The eye witnesses Paul refers to in his letters are not those he murdered, as you should well know.

If you must distort or disregard the truth to keep your faith, then yours is a poor faith indeed.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

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