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05-30-2013 01:21 PM  5 years agoPost 61
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Where did life on Earth come from?
Amino acids deposited by meteors and comets. Better to ask where amino acids came from in the universe.

Life may in fact be a common thing out there among the stars.

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05-30-2013 01:28 PM  5 years agoPost 62
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Wave, interesting theory. Have there been any amino acids of the kind needed for cells to function found on an meteorites we've studied?

How do these chemicals then form functioning, reproducing cells? Have any experiments given supporting evidence that they can?

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05-30-2013 01:30 PM  5 years agoPost 63
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That is why ten different scholars can paint ten different pictures of Jesus, and all ten can carry credibility.
Outhouse, Actually none of them carry any credibility at all. The truth is they have no idea of the life of Jesus, or if he even existed.

He may have just been a mushroom like John Allegro suggested. A code word to keep the Romans guessing while the members of a fertility cult munched on mind bending fungus.

No more ridiculous than your so called " scholars ".

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05-30-2013 01:34 PM  5 years agoPost 64
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Wave, interesting theory. Have there been any amino acids of the kind needed for cells to function found on an meteorites we've studied?
Yes, amino acids are present in comets.
How do these chemicals then form functioning, reproducing cells? Have any experiments given supporting evidence that they can?
They are the building blocks of life. I'm not sure of the mechanism that would allow them to form a single celled organism though.

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05-30-2013 01:50 PM  5 years agoPost 65
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Contaminiation has not been ruled out. Chirality in the meterorites (left or right handedness of the amino acid molecules) is inconsistent with those compounds being formed by means other than living cells. Living cells produce left-handed amino acid molecules almost exclusively and those produced in labratory controlled chemical reactions are racemic (equal distribution left and right). In other words, we have not yet concluded where the amino acids came from, and most likely terrestrial contamination, far as I can tell.

Going from amino acids to a simple functioning cell is like the jump from a hydrogen molecule to the Saturn V rocket, forming by natural processes. In fact its many more times an increase in ordered arrangment, in complexity, and in necessary and well-organize information. Vanishingly improbable to the point of impossibility.

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05-30-2013 01:53 PM  5 years agoPost 66
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Actually none of them carry any credibility at all. The truth is they have no idea of the life of Jesus, or if he even existed.- Wave
This is pure propaganda and speculation to fit a pre-existing world view. The existing evidence and scholarsship best fits the traditional record of Jesus of Nazareth, his acts and his teachings, and the historical empty tomb. What is more, it is predominantly accepted that Jesus' followers and many others (hundreds) believed and reported that they saw him alive again after his crucifiction and death.

What is more there is no evidence that does support the skeptical conclusion quoted above.

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05-30-2013 02:57 PM  5 years agoPost 67
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Dennis
Just something to think about.
If we ever do discover another habital planet in another solar system light years away and it takes a couple hundred thousand years for the light of that planet to reach us, then we would be looking at that planet as it existed a couple hundred thousand years ago. Not as it exists today. The same works the other way if there was life on another planet and they discovered earth.
If we ever do reach the speed of light to explore the universe, that will not cut it for obvious reasons.
Just gives one an idea of the immense challenges in exploring the universe.
I just wanted to point out this post. This has got to be one of the best thought out posts I've seen from you. Who knows if we will one day be able to explore the universe or not but it sure makes you think.

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Well, I see we've got our work cut out for us then. The search for meaning within our world (not "FROM" the universe) has been a driving question among thinking people, philosophers, scientists, social scientists, humanists, and yes theologians for all of recorded history.
So when did it become irrevelent or moot?
This is the tricky bit I'd ask you to think about it. Sadly you'd think or say because God yadda yadda. So science can tell us how things happened and why things happened the way they did. It's a bit like this I ask why is the sky blue? science can answer the question of why it is blue. So I than ask what is the meaning of the sky being blue it's an absurd question. So if asking what is the meaning of life or why are we here it's an absurd question it has no answer does it have to have a meaning?.... I know your going to say God etc.
The correct correlation- the common thread- is that MAN has caused more death and suffering and segregation than any "other" evil our world has had to suffer. We are to blame. Just look at the way people on any side of any argument act on these threads.
That's nice but so often the man giving the orders is holding the book bible/Koran I don't care which and using it to justify those orders and then the followers because it is the truth will carry out the orders in the name of. Religion causes this problem because people who have been indoctrinated won't think for themselves.
Where do you get that information? Why do you think someone named Jesus, the one we mean as his followers claim to be the Christ, lived, died on a cross (tree?), or anything else at all about him? Was he a Jew? Where did he live, move? Did he teach?
I don't really have that information as fact the reason I am willing to accept a man named JC lived was because it's plausible now everybody dies so that bit if the person was real is fact because we all die. And of course people of that time did nail bad folks to a big cross (Tree) and we know that because of archaeological digs. I guess we don't know they were bad. If you hadn't guessed I'm a fan of Douglas Adams if you read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy you'll find my reference to Tree instead of Cross. Now of course he was probably a Jew that's plausible in regards to the other bits I don't know and don't care. I am going to bring up a couple of things though 1st if he was the son of God or God as they are one in the same right then why didn't he write the NT himself while he was alive? next Science has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the story of Adam and Eve is pure myth with DNA so if they did not exist than there can be no original sin. So why did Jesus have himself killed to impress himself? This concept that God had to send his son who was himself to die so he could forgive everyone is totally illogical and completely stupid. Without using all of the omi words again why could God just not forgive? I mean he's God right. I'm sorry but if you buy that as even being remotely reasonable your insane.
What about all the Christians and Deists who have and do contribute immensely to science throughout history?
Totally disingenuous if you deny that. Religion and science are completely compatible.
Deists don't have a book or set beliefs so there can be no conflict with them so long as they follow and believe the evidence. Yes some Christians and probably Muslims have done some good work. It depends on the field a lot I guess the problem is when you have a religious person who knows the facts but believes something else that has no evidence. I remember an interview with Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, Krauss was talking about a fellow physicist who also teaches and could understand and show evidence of how old the universe was as you know is many billions of years but this physicist has a personal belief based on his religion that the universe is only 6000years old please let me know if you don't see a problem with that.

I've got a short video here for you just in regards to the absolute morality part of the post.

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What is more, it is predominantly accepted that Jesus' followers and many others (hundreds) believed and reported that they saw him alive again after his crucifiction and death.
According to what the one or two people that wrote that part of the NT? or do you have affidavits from all of those many people that saw him? Of course he could have been a twin. Problem is Helimatt there is so much inaccurate stuff in that book it's not funny to say it's proof of anything other than some people wrote is just a joke and I'm still yet to see anything that calls for this book to be considered historical evidence.

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Science has no proof of the origins of life, Science has no proof of the atomic structure creating life or designing life,
Well not yet and I concede we may never know. However when ever a question can't be answered that doesn't mean that God did it. People once thought that lightning a thunder were caused by Gods. It is simply intelligently lazy to say God did it whenever there is no answer.

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05-30-2013 03:01 PM  5 years agoPost 68
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I just wanted to point out this post. This has got to be one of the best thought out posts I've seen from you. Who knows if we will one day be able to explore the universe or not but it sure makes you think.
Thanks. Its the only thing in this entire thread that caught my attention and made me think of at least some response.

The rest of this thread is mostly bullsh#t.

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05-30-2013 03:05 PM  5 years agoPost 69
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Hey why did the disciples have English names,why Adam and Eve?Been bugging me for years

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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05-30-2013 03:08 PM  5 years agoPost 70
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Hey why did the disciples have English names,why Adam and Eve?Been bugging me for years
Just be thankful it wasn't Adam & Steve or none of us would be here.

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05-30-2013 03:19 PM  5 years agoPost 71
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Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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05-30-2013 05:01 PM  5 years agoPost 72
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Got one of them :

Adam : ( related to Heb. 'adamah, "ground" ) literally means
" earth man " It is applied to mankind in general. Father of Mankind

Pretty sure Adam was responsible for giving Eve her name

Woman : ['ishah] because she was taken out of man ('ish)

The naming of his wife reinforces his leadership and authority over her

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05-30-2013 05:28 PM  5 years agoPost 73
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Outhouse, that last opinion of yours just doesn't hold water. Got any proof, evidence?

What about all the Christians and Deists who have and do contribute immensely to science throughout history?
Your perverting the statement.

I said if theism crosses scientific lines, not helps build them.

Im not a anti theist.

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05-30-2013 05:30 PM  5 years agoPost 74
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Outhouse, Actually none of them carry any credibility at all. The truth is they have no idea of the life of Jesus, or if he even existed.
More of your nonsense

Its almost unanimous that Jesus existed as a man.

As historians they carry all the credibility, conspiracy nutters and mythicist will never have

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05-30-2013 05:34 PM  5 years agoPost 75
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What is that supposed to mean?

Science has no proof of the origins of life, Science has no proof of the atomic structure creating life or designing life,

They sent the rover to mars to look for it because they cannot find any evidence of the atomic structure creating life On planet earth, Thinking that they will find evidence due to an older existence of the atomic structure Assembling into some form of life on mars. Or even some kind of basic structure of life

First of all there is not one mechanism that we know of within the atomic structure in physics that Assemble itself into any form of life, Nothing, zip, zero

We know life can exist due to life here on earth, We are able to understand cell behaviors mechanisms and functioning abilities But all life on earth only has come from a division or birth, Or seed. We have trillions and trillions of evidence of that...

There's not one cell, bacterium Or basic form of life that is formed by the Physics of the atomic structure Having an absolute natural ability to assemble itself into structure.

And no evidence of physics of the Atomic structure assembling It self into any resemblance of life

And The theory of a mid evil soup And a ammonia, co2,atmosphere with lightning strikes Creating life is far fetched.

So back to basics

Where did life on Earth come from?
It means we dont keep making mistakes of ancient man, placing mythology in the gaps of our knowledge.

Religion has no proof of life, as a matter of FACT, as writen creation in the bible factually did not happen, and is outlawed from schools so we dont poison our childrens minds.

You do not replace science with mythology and religion.

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05-30-2013 05:38 PM  5 years agoPost 76
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That first archeologist you list, Jonathan Reed- interesting work he's doing
First of all archeology gives us a better picture of life in Galilee then the bible.

It tells us things that religion doesnt care to mention.

Socioeconomics of Hellenism, oppression, and Judaism is exactly how you try and understand life in Galilee Jesus walked in.

Jesus was a poor oppressed man, who like other Zealots would have hated the roman corruption in the temple, which was also controlled by Hellenistic Judaism who were raping tithes and taxes from all their people.

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05-30-2013 05:55 PM  5 years agoPost 77
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it is predominantly accepted that Jesus' followers and many others (hundreds) believed and reported that they saw him alive again after his crucifiction and death.
Only some theist believe this beyond mythology.

We do not know they were not reporting a spiritual resurrection.

None of the NT authors were eyewitnesses to anything, and were not traditional Jews from Galilee where jesus taught and lived.

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05-30-2013 06:36 PM  5 years agoPost 78
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05-30-2013 07:36 PM  5 years agoPost 79
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Let's get back to the Vastness of Just the Multiple Galaxies : KNOWN
Definition : Some Just make a Full Time Profession - To Pull Others into the Dark - To Get Help Digging a Hole

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Noun
A person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.
Adjective
Abandoning such a belief or principle.
Synonyms
noun. renegade - turncoat - pervert - recreant - backslider
adjective. renegade - recreant

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05-30-2013 07:42 PM  5 years agoPost 80
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Hey why did the disciples have English names,why Adam and Eve?Been bugging me for years
Jesus never heard that name called to him ever while he was alive.

Yeshua in Hebrew or Yehoshua in Galilean Aramaic, Lesous in Greek.

Jesus is a transliteration

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