RunRyder RC
WATCH
 21 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )     4      5     NEXT    >> ] 14146 views TOPIC CLOSED
HomeOff Topics › The instability of our universe...
05-29-2013 02:24 PM  5 years agoPost 41
GREYEAGLE

rrElite Veteran

Flat Land's

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

From the Most Widley Hated Species :

We NEVER COme Down To THeir Level !

Just stand and watch them Dig

Pretty soon they Title It a Little Building : With a Hole to Sit On

Exceeding Glad to Leap and Jump - We don't keep Our Feet on the Ground when Persecuted = They NEVER have enough Evidence to Convict.
Even with the GAP and the Utilization of it

A King's Kid -------Or Not ????

Watch em Dig : Lot's of Time /Lot's of Effort / Lot's of $$$$$

In Astro Physic's Term's ?? Just How Long is 6 Day's ????

Heck a week is ONLY 7 Day's Long

Blink !

greyeagle

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 02:57 PM  5 years agoPost 42
Juggernaut

rrApprentice

Canada, Great White North

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

We are all going to die in a blaze of fire.
Our sun (Star) will burn for another 4 to 5 Billion years before it's Hydrogen is used up, Also about the same time, Andromida Galaxy will collide with our milkyway galaxy, but life on earth can live on for another maybe Billion years before the expanding sun boils off our ocean and atmosphere.

Also the other stars in the universe would have also burned out, leaving only the smaller brown dwarfs which burn it's hydrogen fuel at a much slower rate.

There are more stars then there are grains of sands on this earth.
If All those stars exist there are also other planets, stars are easy to detect on the other hand planets are not. If there are that many stars and that many planets, that means there is life on other worlds.
We just haven't detected it yet. Carl Sagan knew if this solar system had planets others also had planets, to bad he passed away before the first was confirmed.

more people died due to religion and holy wars than the first and second world war combined.

Religion stated we are the centre of the universe if you disagree you'll be put to death (Roman Inquisition). anyone remember this.

If you say God exists then he has a warped sense of humour.
there are billions of examples to prove this.



Finally learned to fly inverted, Helps if you stand on your head

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 03:08 PM  5 years agoPost 43
Hoggy42

rrNovice

Australia

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

GearHead
Hoggy, are you sure about that ??
did you know many scientist have turned to God's side after they had seen how the nucleus of the human cell works, and even one of those scientist left his research to become a priest
No I don't and I mean this in the most genuine way could you give me numbers and maybe the names of a few important ones?

Helimatt
How can science tell us why? Why are we here
Science can tell us why many things work why things are the way they are etc. Unfortunately the next question "Why are we here" is an absurd question and the universe does not owe us an explanation to describe our planet is a tiny pimple in the universe would be an overstatement there are some 70,000 million million million stars in the known universe. Some time ago a friend found a website for me which really puts into perspective how insignificant we really are if I can find it again I'll start a new thread. This one is not as good but still pretty cool http://scaleofuniverse.com/
The answer might as well be 42
Science and faith in God are not incompatible.
If you were a Deist I could understand that. But otherwise they are in major conflict with one another and trying to push your faith to fit into fact just doesn't work. particularly when it comes to the story of creation. Adam and Eve Noah and his Ark etc.
What about Jesus' life and death, and his empty tomb- historical fact and well documented.
Ok I'm happy to accept that someone named JC lived and died possibly by being nailed to a tree. I'd even be willing to accept that someone may have removed his body from a tomb. But is all that would prove is that a man lived and died and someone robbed graves. Also outside of the NT where is the historical fact and where is it well documented? you should be able to provide facts without being pinked BTW.

Wave
People are entitled to their beliefs and it is foolish to attempt to argue with faith and belief.
Reality is worth fighting for religion has caused more death suffering and segregation than any other evil our world has had to suffer. Worse still is the indoctrination of children it's sad and worrying that kids out there and still being thought things like the dinosaurs were not real and our planet is only 6000 years old and it's sickening to tell innocent kids they will go to hell because of the first man ever etc etc it's wrong it's child abuse this needs to end.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 03:17 PM  5 years agoPost 44
Dennis (RIP)

rrApprentice

Oregon

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

There are more stars then there are grains of sands on this earth. If All those stars exist there are also other planets, stars are easy to detect on the other hand planets are not. If there are that many stars and that many planets, that means there is life on other worlds. We just haven't detected it yet. Carl Sagan knew if this solar system had planets others also had planets, to bad he passed away before the first was confirmed.
Just something to think about.

If we ever do discover another habital planet in another solar system light years away and it takes a couple hundred thousand years for the light of that planet to reach us, then we would be looking at that planet as it existed a couple hundred thousand years ago. Not as it exists today. The same works the other way if there was life on another planet and they discovered earth.

If we ever do reach the speed of light to explore the universe, that will not cut it for obvious reasons.

Just gives one an idea of the immense challenges in exploring the universe.

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 04:43 PM  5 years agoPost 45
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Unfortunately the next question "Why are we here" is an absurd question...-Hoggy42
Well, I see we've got our work cut out for us then. The search for meaning within our world (not "FROM" the universe) has been a driving question among thinking people, philosophers, scientists, social scientists, humanists, and yes theologians for all of recorded history.

So when did it become irrevelent or moot?

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 04:48 PM  5 years agoPost 46
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Reality is worth fighting for religion has caused more death suffering and segregation than any other evil our world has had to suffer.
Incorrect correlation because religion, as I've argued elsewhere on this site, has been a great driving force for good both individualistically and within greater society (I'm thinking here mainly of the Judeo-Christian lines).

The correct correlation- the common thread- is that MAN has caused more death and suffering and segregation than any "other" evil our world has had to suffer. We are to blame. Just look at the way people on any side of any argument act on these threads.

Man is fallen, and cannot get up (on his own). Yet Mankind is very, very important and worth saving.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 07:25 PM  5 years agoPost 47
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Hoggy, one more question for you (sorry to be so disjointed but we are covering quite a few facets of these topics here),
Ok I'm happy to accept that someone named JC lived and died possibly by being nailed to a tree. I'd even be willing to accept that someone may have removed his body from a tomb.
Where do you get that information? Why do you think someone named Jesus, the one we mean as his followers claim to be the Christ, lived, died on a cross (tree?), or anything else at all about him? Was he a Jew? Where did he live, move? Did he teach?

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 07:33 PM  5 years agoPost 48
Gearhead

rrMaster

Vt

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

could you give me numbers and maybe the names of a few important ones?
sorry, I didn't think to wright that info down when I saw it, I didn't recognize it's important's at that moment, but if you search the 700 page RR thread "God made Man" you will find it
more people died due to religion and holy wars than the first and second world war combined
wrong, religion has never started a war, only man and his reasonings has started war

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 08:17 PM  5 years agoPost 49
outhouse

rrVeteran

auburn ca

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

the one we mean as his followers claim to be the Christ, lived, died on a cross (tree?), or anything else at all about him? Was he a Jew? Where did he live, move? Did he teach?
Started who knows where, and we don't know where exactly he was born.

We believe he lived in Nazareth before his death. Nazareth was a very small Jewish village with poor oppressed people, recent archeology in Capernaum has shown it to be very poor as well.

So we have a very traditional Jewish peasant traveling from small poor village to small poor village, teaching and healing for a few year for food scraps, after being baptized by John, who was so poor he was homeless and ate bugs n honey. Jesus took over Johns work after John was killed.

Much of Johns and Jesus work was due to the socioeconomic problems they faced. Jesus son of a tekton, and in that time a tekton was a displaced renter who lived a life below that of a common peasant. Many people were run off their farms by herod taking land to grow food for Sepphoris which was leveled about the time jesus was born by Varus when Judas the Galilean was fighting over taxes and occupation.

Sepphoris was extremely rich and all Jewish, and only 4 miles from Nazareth. why didn't Jesus teach there? Because these were Hellenistic Jews, not traditional Jews, they were the cause of all the problems working hand in hand with Herod Antipas as well belonging to another culture. because they were Hellenistic Jews, they were corrupt and not really traditional oppressed Jews.

Jesus being a traditional Jew hated the corruption in the temple, which was ran by Hellensitic Jews. Hence we have the cleansing of the temple due to the Roman infection and Pilate and Caiaphas working hand in hand to rape tothes from the people as well as extreme taxation to even worship in the temple.

Jesus crew had swords and used them at his arrest, he was very much a rebel and was placed on a cross next to other rebels. he died over money as he fought the corrupt government. Its why he was martyred. There were 400,000 people at that Passover who were bringing in large sums of money for the temple. Instead of sending in the Roman troops to murder thousands due to a trouble maker, they send a goon squad out at night to take care of the problem. This ensured the money flow would not be interrupted.

The NT was written by these Hellenistic Jews, not one was a eye witness to anything, writing over 30 years after Jesus death. Not even Paul knew the real Jesus and he was a pathetic Hellenist as well.

The resurrection could have very well been spiritual later perverted as a physical one. I do believe before that Passover was over that the resurrection mythology was in place though. There may have been a missing body. Most scholars claim his body was simply thrown in a pit.

Its plausible Joseph A could have stated his body was placed there but he never touched it and it went into a pit. We will never know.

We do know one thing, his few apostles would have run for Galilee scared to death after loosing their master. They would not have stayed there.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 08:41 PM  5 years agoPost 50
GREYEAGLE

rrElite Veteran

Flat Land's

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Notice he ; Can't do it on a Stand alone Basis

Hilariousness : Continually a Prosecuting and Convicting then calling the Daddy Rabbit administrator -To Get Some One Pinked for talking about it. Mr. Slippery Himself - Home of the Stink Pickle

Yet Stealing and Lieing trying too use some one else's tool's in the tool box Don't got no tool's of his own Can't stand alone -

While Christo's hold the Honor Code of Integrity and Honesty - Mr. Stink Pickle always got the fingers under the door or trying to drive the wedge

This one's first to complain about FREE - then to run and tell when free isn't enough - They DID It

You know em : They Run around in Red Long Handle Underwear carrying pitch fork's : and Name a Little Dwelling After Themselves .
" House of Stink Pickle "

Fun Too Watch Time and Space Got to wait for It

greyeagle

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 08:49 PM  5 years agoPost 51
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Outhouse, my point- any of these points about Jesus' life, no matter how distorted, you only know from the Bible, and a few other brief references.

So if you are going to go that far, you must accept that the new testament writings can be treated with historical vigor. Else, we must concede to know nothing at all.

BTW, you reall should catch up because most of what you claimed as true about the Jesus you are referencing has been shown to be incorrect by scholarship in the last 20 or so years.

I appreciate that you observe that the NT was written close to the time of Jesus' death- within a lifetime. That is completely consistent and well within the window of time that allows us to treat eye-witness and second hand accounts as reliable history.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 09:10 PM  5 years agoPost 52
GREYEAGLE

rrElite Veteran

Flat Land's

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Much Easier - Then Back to The Fabric of Time / Space / Distance : Who Dunn It Stuff

On the edges of your flying field : their is a little stand up box with a door on it. You go in their - their is a place to sit : with a hole right where you sit down

Don't look in that hole what ever you do - but you know yer gona before you sit down

House of Poop Depository

Don't know why:: but you alway's got too look

Guess what ???? It's FULL OF

How whould you like to spend your WHOLE life :

Your full of and known for it

What a defense :

Back to Galaxies or toss on some of Mr. Spock's Red matter

greyeagle

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 09:57 PM  5 years agoPost 53
outhouse

rrVeteran

auburn ca

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

BTW, you reall should catch up because most of what you claimed as true about the Jesus you are referencing has been shown to be incorrect by scholarship in the last 20 or so years.
What exactly is outdated?

And which scholarships are you following?, if like Ben Witherington I cant help you because he is a apologetic scholar and not accurate.

I follow

Johnathon Reed who has done the most archeology in Sepphoris
Marcus Borg
Candida Moss, regarding martyrs
Marvin Meyers, [the late]
E.P. Sanders
John Crossan

And many of the classics, and a few that are not scholars like Karen Armstrong.
you must accept that the new testament writings can be treated with historical vigor. Else, we must concede to know nothing at all.
That is false

You cannot claim that when most of what was written was based from cross cultural oral tradition by people who didnt even live near Jesus, know Jesus or for that matter ever hear one word pass his lips.

The unknown author of GMark doesnt even know the geography of palistine, let alone the details of Jesus. he was writing to and for a Roman audience probably in Syria, the exact enemies of Jesus.

YOu also know then that the other gospels copied word for word Gmark because they didnt have a clue either writing 40-50 years after Jesus death. They then added their own mythology which contradixts each other.

It is impossible to read the NT literally.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 10:24 PM  5 years agoPost 54
outhouse

rrVeteran

auburn ca

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

That is completely consistent and well within the window of time that allows us to treat eye-witness and second hand accounts as reliable history.
Correct.

Less the fact we have no eyewitnesses. We do have oral tradition that has the possibility to go back to eyewitnesses though, so im not discounting that the unknown authors didnt luckily have some good information.

The problem is that we have decades of oral tradition that grew in theology written in allegory, metaphor and mythology as the authors competed Jesus divinity with that of the living Emperor called the "son of god" a few years before Jesus was even born.

The authors had to create a stronger divinity then that of a living Emperor, thus we have some fictional accounts.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 10:29 PM  5 years agoPost 55
outhouse

rrVeteran

auburn ca

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Outhouse, my point- any of these points about Jesus' life, no matter how distorted, you only know from the Bible, and a few other brief references.
Correct again.

That is why ten different scholars can paint ten different pictures of Jesus, and all ten can carry credibility.

fact is we just doent have enough credible information to paint a real picture beyond a foundation of historical facts. IE plausibility.

There was a man from Nazareth who after JtB teachings traveled around Galilee treaching and healing the poor for dinner scraps with 3-4 followers. His inner circle. he went to the temple atleast once where he is said to have caused two demonstrations in which he was placed n a cross at passover and murdered by Pilate.

beyond that very little can be said with any certainty.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-29-2013 10:30 PM  5 years agoPost 56
outhouse

rrVeteran

auburn ca

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

religion has no place crossing scientific lines.

every time it does it gets slammed.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-30-2013 03:43 AM  5 years agoPost 57
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Outhouse, that last opinion of yours just doesn't hold water. Got any proof, evidence?

What about all the Christians and Deists who have and do contribute immensely to science throughout history?

Totally disingenuous if you deny that. Religion and science are completely compatible. As I said, nothing more consistent and in fact satisfying to study the world my Creator made, in all its intricacies. Deeper we delve, the more amazed and awed and humble we should become.

Science makes a very poor religion however, a poor substitute for the person of God. Cold, heartless, unfeeling, and cannot answer the basic questions of man's problem. Evil, morals, altruism, hope denied, suffering. I don't buy for a minute the theory, or rather proposition (as it cannot be tested or proven), that the striving for good, shunning evil, looking for purpose and meaning, personality, consciousness, are the result of EVOLUTION. What a bald face fabrication.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-30-2013 03:52 AM  5 years agoPost 58
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

That is why ten different scholars can paint ten different pictures of Jesus, and all ten can carry credibility.

fact is we just doent have enough credible information to paint a real picture beyond a foundation of historical facts. IE plausibility.--Outhouse
And yet you seem to have very firm beliefs about these things...

Question- is it possible that there is a God, who created and is personal, and exists outside of the creation?

If yes, then is it possible that he can reveal himself via acts of revelation (prophesy), miracles, etc?

If No, then what proof do you have of this?

Ruling out the possiblity of the miraculous has led to all sort of spurious "scholarship" wrt the Bible and specifically the new testatment, the life of Jesus of Nazareth, and the church beginnings. So if you are of that camp, it we need to back up before historicity and textual criticism could be discussed.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-30-2013 04:11 AM  5 years agoPost 59
helimatt

rrElite Veteran

Lafayette, IN

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

That first archeologist you list, Jonathan Reed- interesting work he's doing.

However, I find he is heavily prone to conjecture and a priori reasoning. Such as speaking of Jesus and the Temple in Jerusalem "I think he understood--and I wish there was more in the New Testament about this--that his attack was not just against a few immoral people but against a system that exploited others in the name of God."

Sounds interesting, but these are hardly conclusions drawn from study of the data before him. "I think.. I wish..." Many more examples of this sort of musing- its not uncommon and something we must guard against.s

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

PM  EMAIL  Attn:RR
05-30-2013 04:23 AM  5 years agoPost 60
nitro fun

rrApprentice

Oc ca

My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

religion has no place crossing scientific lines.
What is that supposed to mean?

Science has no proof of the origins of life, Science has no proof of the atomic structure creating life or designing life,

They sent the rover to mars to look for it because they cannot find any evidence of the atomic structure creating life On planet earth, Thinking that they will find evidence due to an older existence of the atomic structure Assembling into some form of life on mars. Or even some kind of basic structure of life

First of all there is not one mechanism that we know of within the atomic structure in physics that Assemble itself into any form of life, Nothing, zip, zero

We know life can exist due to life here on earth, We are able to understand cell behaviors mechanisms and functioning abilities But all life on earth only has come from a division or birth, Or seed. We have trillions and trillions of evidence of that...

There's not one cell, bacterium Or basic form of life that is formed by the Physics of the atomic structure Having an absolute natural ability to assemble itself into structure.

And no evidence of physics of the Atomic structure assembling It self into any resemblance of life

And The theory of a mid evil soup And a ammonia, co2,atmosphere with lightning strikes Creating life is far fetched.

So back to basics

Where did life on Earth come from?

PM  EMAIL  GALLERY  Attn:RR
WATCH
 21 pages [ <<    <     1      2     ( 3 )     4      5     NEXT    >> ] 14146 views TOPIC CLOSED
HomeOff Topics › The instability of our universe...
 Print TOPIC  Make Suggestion 

 7  Topic Subscribe

Sunday, December 16 - 11:06 pm - Copyright © 2000-2018 RunRyder   EMAILEnable Cookies

The RC discussion world needs to consolidate. RR is now one choice for that. Its software is cutting edge. It hosts on-topic advertising. Help RR increase traffic buy making suggestions, posting in RR's new areas (sites) and by spreading the word.

The RunRyder Difference

• Category system to allow Rep/Vendor postings.
• Classifieds with sold (hidden) category.
• Classifieds with separate view new.
• Answer PMs offsite via email reply.
• Member gallery photos with advanced scripting.
• Gallery photo viewer integrated into postings.
• Highly refined search with advanced back end.
• Hosts its own high end fast response servers.
• Hosts thousands of HD event coverage videos.
• Rewrote entire code base with latest technology.
• No off-topic (annoying) click bait advertising.
Login Here
 New Subscriptions 
 Buddies Online