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06-12-2013 07:17 PM  5 years agoPost 181
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All chest beating aside.........
For those that don't know what the gospel actually is:

Watch at YouTube

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06-12-2013 10:17 PM  5 years agoPost 182
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Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th, so what does that matter? Just one illustration of the spurious and flatly infantile attempt to draw these connections.
No but it is celebrated every year by the faithful as his birthday.

Eveidence of how mythology enters faith and religious practice.

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06-12-2013 10:35 PM  5 years agoPost 183
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Their fixed it for you ----------------------------------------
Eveidence of how mythology enters faith and religeous practice.
Evidence of how mythology enters faith and religious practice

That's why Apostates are Unpardonable

Now I'm out of paper !

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06-13-2013 12:12 AM  5 years agoPost 184
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Man factually created science over thousands of years, so that we can see the mythology of ancient man, and understand his shortcoming's of creating mythology for the natural world he knew nothing about when using mythology to explain his belief.

Canaanites factually evolved into Proto Israelites after 1200 BC
Moses has no historicity
Noah has no historicity
Exodus has no historicity
The OT took almost a thousand years to complete after being redacted for the same amount of time to mirror the ever changing culture.
The gospel according to Outhouse.

Keep up the faith bro, keep up the faith.

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06-13-2013 02:53 PM  5 years agoPost 185
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HeliMatt,
Thanks for conceding the point by not answering the question. In case you missed it the question was Also if your going to bang on about Historical evidence please show me your best hand because so far I've seen nothing that could be considered evidence. I guess you don't have anything that could be considered hard evidence at all. Or you don't want to see it shredded like a Christian thrown to the lions so to speak.

I'm sorry bud but those stories the ones older than Christian history are real I'm not saying they are true but if you have the ancient text and you translate it and that's what it says than that's what it says if you carbon date it and it's older then it's older.

Here is a link to a story about the gates of hell found and uncovered in Turkey this is the kind of thing that I'd consider historical evidence at least from the point that it matches the stories told. Of course in this day and age it's much easier to explain the phenomenon. It does raise a point though and that is that the concept of hell came before the bible and even more interesting the that concept of eternal damnation doesn't arrive until the New Testament

http://www.atlasobscura.com/article...ealed-in-turkey

Anyway it really doesn't matter all this talk about historical evidence which I'm yet to see any. I'd be interested to know how old you think the earth is and what your take on evolution is. Helimatt the way you've been talking I really thought you were going to have a strong argument. But to be honest I think I'm starting to understand how Professor Dawkins feels. Seeing as you couldn't spare the 5 mins to watch the other one you only need to watch the first 25sec or so of this 44sec video.

Watch at YouTube

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06-13-2013 03:27 PM  5 years agoPost 186
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Atheist are more stubborn then someone who beliefs in a god creating life.

The person who beliefs that a god organized the atomic structure to form a self sustaining life structure.

But the facts are their is no primordial physics that created cell functions.

Physics doesn't change.

The atomic structure will not assemble itselfe into one living cell proven by SCIENCE!

The facts are, All live only comes from life , proven by Science

But Science is the only one grasping at straws looking feverishly, going to mars to try and find the mistery of how phisics of the atom structure created life , When in fact the phisics WILL not crate life in any form. proven by science

matter doesn't accumulate to form life
Another fact proven by science.

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06-13-2013 04:12 PM  5 years agoPost 187
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WHy ? Atheist are stubborn ?

They spend their whole life running from their moral's - or the weight of them.

It just continually build wall's or installs one brick at a time.

Guilt of SIN -Over whelms them - then the wall is too wide or too tall. To crawl over Mountain's and Exit's of excuses

Hence : { tune }

ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL :

Many of the Great's still write them: - most listener's are too spun up or too far out - or too far down - and broken - to listen and comprehend the actual written lyric's. They hear it - but do not listen: A huge difference

If one was to actually read the writing's -without the note's or beat or electronic noise which mask them. Strip off the noise - they might be really astounded. They are their - but you got to look and listen for them

They never see or listen to the word's they just hear them.

Shocking too see how many go platinum ! Many famous artist's :LEGEND'S

They never new until they see actual sheet music - if it was written down

Now it's almost flipped a complete polar opposite -they thrive for darkness - even on the national public - media TV : Sell's like crazy.

The communication has had a effect of behavior on what has been taught , look for it They have a sense of security in it.

The ONLY thing that can break it down or correct is LOVE even in small spoonfull's

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06-13-2013 04:57 PM  5 years agoPost 188
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The facts are, All live only comes from life , proven by Science
Severe ignorance.

Science doesnt prove anything.

It observes and reports.
matter doesn't accumulate to form life
IT happened here.

All about 3.5 billion year before your god was created by Canaanites

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06-13-2013 05:02 PM  5 years agoPost 189
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Here is a link to a story about the gates of hell found and uncovered in Turkey
The authors could have used that but it is speculation at best.

Gehenna, the valley of Hinnom was said to have fires burning 24/7 for temple debris and garbage as well as sinners bodies. There was a path with a gate as well. At night the dump would look like a lake of fire.

And that is a guess as well.

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06-13-2013 09:43 PM  5 years agoPost 190
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where did the information come from ????
that question has never been answered

Jim
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06-13-2013 10:15 PM  5 years agoPost 191
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Good Question Dr Gear,

Personally, as a scientific writings reader, I am personally
convinced that the INFORMATION in EACH CELL came from
a supremely Intelligent Designer.

http://www.signatureinthecell.com/

Dr. Meyer makes a grand case for it!

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-14-2013 12:56 AM  5 years agoPost 192
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Meyer is a known quack using faith instead of science.

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06-14-2013 01:11 AM  5 years agoPost 193
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the system (the nucleus), is, to complex, to just, fall together, and make, it's own information,
if it was that simple then new life you be popping up everywhere

Jim
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06-14-2013 01:32 AM  5 years agoPost 194
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So instead of saying we are not exactly sure.

We will go with, a grey bearded Jewish old man in the clouds snapped his finger and "there was life"

Please stop the BS

The diversity of life and its nature "to find a way" and survive should tell you something.

If life can change, and it factually does, then it can come out of non living objects.

Its chemistry
not mythology.

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06-14-2013 01:38 AM  5 years agoPost 195
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If life can change, and it factually does, then it can come out of non living objects.
Its chemistry
not mythology.
So, a rock can become a human being ???

So ah, which one did you crawl out from under?

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06-14-2013 01:44 AM  5 years agoPost 196
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^^^^LOL^^^^

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06-14-2013 12:08 PM  5 years agoPost 197
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LOL Squared, indeed!

You are hearing the words of a man in whom the Lord
cannot implant faith.

Why?

Because this one already KNOWS IT ALL.

That grey beard did say, when HE was here that
the Road was wide and the way is broad that leads
to destruction; but Narrow is the road that leads
to Life (Eternal) and FEW there are who find it.

Personally, I believe HIM.

Re-read JOHN Three and verse Sixteen.

What is the definition old grey beard's word:

PERISH?

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-14-2013 03:52 PM  5 years agoPost 198
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Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th, so what does that matter? Just one illustration of the spurious and flatly infantile attempt to draw these connections.
I forgot to address this in my last post. I'm quite aware that it says nowhere that it was the 25th Dec which is interesting when you consider you say the bible is historically accurate. It seems very strange to me that the so called most important man to ever live never had his birthday recorded seems like the kinda thing you'd write down when telling his story.

Also just so you know the 25th Dec according to the ancient Egyptians is the birthday of first the Sun then the sun god and every other god they had was born on the 25th Dec. Interesting how long a tradition can run and how wrong it can become over the years. That's the problem with tradition people have this thing that the older a tradition is the more right it becomes and that's why everything should be open to question especially religion.
Atheist are more stubborn then someone who beliefs in a god creating life.
That maybe true of some but I can only assume your talking of myself and Outhouse? While I can't speak for Outhouse or all Atheists. I can say that's not true of me if you can show some (Any) hard facts supporting your arguments that cannot be debunked I will have no choice but to change my position. Now if you have hard evidence bring it to the table to discuss. However those of you who believe in a God are far more stubborn you ignore logic ignore reason and ignore scientific facts and some of you worse than others some accept it but then try to make your beliefs fit the facts and any blank you can find try to fill the gaps.

Let's take a look at this augment it's quite desperate really you know there is not an answer for it yet so you will say the only explanation must be God. Let's take a look.
But the facts are their is no primordial physics that created cell functions.
Physics doesn't change.
The atomic structure will not assemble itselfe into one living cell proven by SCIENCE!
Ok so your saying that because we don't know how exactly it happened and because we can't replicate it (To the best of the public knowledge) That the only answer of how life started must be God. So I'm assuming your some sort of Christian moderate here and you have accepted the big bang and evolution as the overwhelming evidence supporting these can't be debunked. Now one suggestion of why we can't yet find it is that life may have arrived on a comet or meteor billions of years ago. Of course that can't be proven but it's plausible. I know your answer to that BTW your going to say then where did the meteor come from God must of done it.

The problem you have with these arguments is that unless you are a Deist you have the Bible or Koran for this matter and unless it says God started the expansion of the universe from an explosion yadda yadda skip a few steps here and then goes on to say. Then he created the earth etc etc it took many billions of years. Than he started life on Earth by means of a self replicating single celled organism which evolved over millions of years and he moulded into all life and Dinosaurs which he than got bored of and crashed a huge asteroid into the Earth and killed out the Dinosaurs and most other life. So then he started over moulded all life again from the ground up and evolved all of the creatures again and finally making man all this of course took millions and millions of years.

I'm tired and I'm sure I've missed bits anyhow you get the point if the bible said something along those lines you might have something to talk about. But it's more along the lines started with Earth and made it the centre of the universe made man from dirt made woman from the rib of the man. Said don't eat the magic apple got talked into it by a talking snake F'd us all Etc.
the system (the nucleus), is, to complex, to just, fall together, and make, it's own information,
if it was that simple then new life you be popping up everywhere
No evolutionist thinks that it JUST happened stop being so lazy and go and read a real book on evolution not some crap Christian interpretation of evolution. It didn't just happen it happened over a very long period of time. So to suggest that new life would be popping up everywhere is a very stupid thing to say if you are lucky you'll live to be 100 years old we really only have a good record of the last few hundred years. The process of evolution takes millions the changes would be so small that they probably will hardly be noticed. There are however examples of changes happening that we can view, there are some lizards which were moved to an island their jaws have changed over a few decades to better suit their new habitat. But if you want a better example take a look at unnatural selection that's animal breeding cat's dog's horses. We have changed some breeds almost beyond recognition.

BTW if there were miracles and appearances from God in the past wouldn't they be popping up all the time. No insane nut jobs don't count.

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06-14-2013 04:03 PM  5 years agoPost 199
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I forgot to address this in my last post.
Yea

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06-14-2013 06:06 PM  5 years agoPost 200
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Oh the yellow ducky he creatith, and takith away.

And many of these old boys, got one foot in the ole pine box, and they are so scared of the end that is coming soon!

They pray to yellow ducky, they wont lose all they ever knew and loved.

Oh! Yewo ducky youe lieth me in green pastures to be wit all dem dead family members dat dun went away lon ago.

Yewo ducky he tay dat duh scienc is awe wrong, dat he creatith and wested on day sebun day.

unless your a freak religion and rest on der satrrdess

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